Irreversible Palate Changes - Reason for Moderation in Hobbying

[HotDogger]

Fellas, do you fear that SP’s will ruin you for civvie relationships? Or has this already happened??

What I mean is that I have been noticing a trend of escalation of XXX services. No, I’m not talking about the service special offered by reputable agencies like GG, I am referring to extreme carnality.

I read and learned from amateur Kermit the Frog impersonator Dr Jordan Peterson that we become irreversibly more extreme in micro increments. He recommended reading this book: Ordinary Men. Dr Peterson says that if these micro increments are left unchecked we eventually and irreversibly turn into something much darker/depraved/different than when we started. The process is very subtle; for example, it might start with an innocent ass slap, to her choking you, to you ordering a sub to vomit on your cock. My fear is that this hobby has opportunities/experiences that will change our appetites into something like this:this:https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/din...duo-for-2-hours-allegra-escort-agency.841718/

No disrespect tor @Rocco, but I was very disturbed by the goings on in @Torontogent1’s latest review; eg ass to mouth.

Is anyone thinking the same way about how this hobby can change us from the vanilla to the extreme?

I included a couple threads that have explored how hobbying can lead us to the extreme. I really don’t think you can enjoy vanilla once you have gone to the extreme.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/what’s-most-perverted-thing-you’ve-asked-a-sp-to-do.832119/

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/bored-need-something-of-out-of-regular.830080/

 

[Cbr20152012]

Two interesting topics in your post. Firstly, does this hobby impact one’s personal relationships and secondly, does the evolution of our carnal fantasies result in the creation of a different version of ourselves.

I’ll speak to the second topic first. I believe many humans are ever searching for our own personal boundaries within the various spectrums we operate across and exist upon. As such, we constantly expand upon previous experiences, often searching for more extreme experiences. However, I believe that humans have natural comfort zones within each spectrum, though they rarely know the outer edges of the comfort zone until they have exceeded them. Once the outer limits have been defined, activities shift from exploration of boundaries and experiences to the maximization of pleasure within the now defined spectrum comfort zone. Put simply, I believe that water finds its level and thus that we don’t become a different creation or different self but rather a fully defined version of the self that we heretofore did not know we were.

As to the first, it has not for me YET. I strongly suspect that it will at some point when I’m ready to settle down again. It doesn’t necessarily need to have a negative impact, if enjoyed strategically, safely and in moderation. Sadly, it’s hard to enjoy this in moderation when some of the sex is incredible and almost always available.

Hotdogger - this is a great forum conversation. Thank you.

TorontoGent1, I read that post and it sounded spectacular . My heart was pounding reading it. Thank you. I have a duo with 2 different ladies tonight and your post really got me excited to see them.

 

[HotDogger]

Two interesting topics in your post. Firstly, does this hobby impact one’s personal relationships and secondly, does the evolution of our carnal fantasies result in the creation of a different version of ourselves.

I’ll speak to the second topic first. I believe many humans are ever searching for our own personal boundaries within the various spectrums we operate across and exist upon. As such, we constantly expand upon previous experiences, often searching for more extreme experiences. However, I believe that humans have natural comfort zones within each spectrum, though they rarely know the outer edges of the comfort zone until they have exceeded them. Once the outer limits have been defined, activities shift from exploration of boundaries and experiences to the maximization of pleasure within the now defined spectrum comfort zone. Put simply, I believe that water finds its level and thus that we don’t become a different creation or different self but rather a fully defined version of the self that we heretofore did not know we were.

As to the first, it has not for me YET. I strongly suspect that it will at some point when I’m ready to settle down again. It doesn’t necessarily need to have a negative impact, if enjoyed strategically, safely and in moderation. Sadly, it’s hard to enjoy this in moderation when some of the sex is incredible and almost always available.

Hotdogger - this is a great forum conversation. Thank you.

TorontoGent1, I read that post and it sounded spectacular . My heart was pounding reading it. Thank you. I have a duo with 2 different ladies tonight and your post really got me excited to see them.

Thanks bro! By the way, this statement was very eloquent, “Put simply, I believe that water finds its level and thus that we don’t become a different creation or different self but rather a fully defined version of the self that we heretofore did not know we were.”

 

[HotDogger]

The one thing this hobby ruins for you, is in expectations of how good you expect your partner to be. I am never satisfied in civie sex in most cases, because those women don't have the skills providers have in bed. Plus when you have sex with women in their 20s most of the time, it is hard to feel sexually attracted to age appropriate partners.

As for sexual preferences, no. A lot of fetishes already exist within us. They are just unexplored because civilian sex is restrictive and often times unimaginative and boring. Providers have introduced adventure and fun, and therefore there is nothing wrong in wanting those experiences, be it someone vomiting on our cock or taking ass to mouth. I think being sex positive, and aware of what you like/don't like, is actually healthy.

I wouldn't take Jordan Petersen, the incel king's advice on sex of all things. JP is a boring ass white dude, whose version of sex is like eating an unseasoned green bean casserole.

The negative bit, is if you get addicted to it, are constantly thinking about it, spend a fortune on it to the verge of bankruptcy etc., Now that is dangerous and you need to get help. But if you are budgeting for it, and enjoying what you like, I don't think it is negative at all. Infact as a single guy, I prefer this. Keep my money and sanity to myself and enjoy kinky sex with hot women. lol.

Bro! This is classic: "...Jordan Petersen, the incel king's advice on sex of all things."

 

[Cbr20152012]

Hopefully some of the professionals/SP see this thread and chime in, they get to see the evolution of this firsthand (with clients as well as themselves).

this is a lot more interesting than seeing +-22 out of the first 40 agency review posts being about the 3 or 4 ladies at a single agency.

 

[IM469]

The one thing this hobby ruins for you, is in expectations of how good you expect your partner to be. I am never satisfied in civie sex in most cases, because those women don't have the skills providers have in bed. Plus when you have sex with women in their 20s most of the time, it is hard to feel sexually attracted to age appropriate partners.

This is the opposite of my experience. Women I have dated have been generous sensual lovers probably because they really want to please you instead of waiting for the timer to ring son they can collect your money.

My weakness is mostly derived from the convenience. On the SP/MPS , I can pick a beautiful woman and within 10 minutes the fantasy of rubbing against her naked body is fulfilled. I didn't have to wait days, go to restaurants and I don't have to phone in the morning. For me that is a habit that is hard to break.

 

[Valcazar]

I read and learned from amateur Kermit the Frog impersonator Dr Jordan Peterson that we become irreversibly more extreme in micro increments. He recommended reading this book: Ordinary Men. Dr Peterson says that if these micro increments are left unchecked we eventually and irreversibly turn into something much darker/depraved/different than when we started.

But Jordan is a weirdo with deep religious insecurity about sex.
Of course he thinks allowing anything will "irreversibly turn into something much darker/depraved/different than when we started.

 

[niks9009]

For me, the expectations between a civil relationship and a hobby are different. I tend to partake in the hobby when I need a break from being in relationships and want more time for myself. For the second point, I think I agree with the sentiment that once you find your personal boundary, your focus will shift towards maximizing pleasure within the defined boundaries. Hobbying has let me try a few fantasies like duos and introduced me to new experiences like rimming. But I've not felt the need to push the envelope into experiences I wasn't already interested in. Mostly I tend to see the hobby as a way for me to experience sex with women I'd generally never have the chance to date in civvie life. Mostly because of my social anxiety / introverted personality.

 

[kherg007]

I've been scarred because I can't imagine civvie sex without both of us having a shower first.

 

[Joyrection]

As in everything in life "moderation in all things." I enjoy a monthly session with an attractive SP who is willing to indulge my proclivities without questions or judgement. If I could find a unicorn sexplorer friend with benefits, I certainly would not need an SP.

 

[HotDogger]

But Jordan is a weirdo with deep religious insecurity about sex.
Of course he thinks allowing anything will "irreversibly turn into something much darker/depraved/different than when we started.

In fairness to Jordan aka Kermit the Frog [impersonator], I didn’t hear him talking about sexual escalations or even perversions. The book I referenced above was about seemingly ordinary family oriented men that worked as guards at concentration camps. These ordinary guys (of German decent - ahem) slowly became darker and meaner as their power grew over the prisoners. At the onset they just rough on the prisoners. But with each passing day their brutality increased inch by inch. Near the end of the war these ordinary men were indistinguishable from monsters of brutality. It was their slow escalations of prisoner brutality and depravity that turned them very dark. I was illustrating a parallel. No offense.

 

[knees]

Hopefully some of the professionals/SP see this thread and chime in, they get to see the evolution of this firsthand (with clients as well as themselves).

this is a lot more interesting than seeing +-22 out of the first 40 agency review posts being about the 3 or 4 ladies at a single agency.

Amen to that !

PS: I can't be the only one who thought the OP was literally referring to changes in our taste buds after excessive DATY..

 

[Patron]

Most guys, especially as they get older, heavily use fantasies to get and maintain an erection.

If a guy has explored fetish, alternative and even bizarre activities that he liked, those are just more memories to draw upon if he is with a civilian or more vanilla sex worker.

I suppose, just like the argument for avoiding porn, it is more likely to instantly get and manage to maintain an erection in a very vanilla experience by denying yourself much of any other experience throughout life.

The same thing can probably be said for never seeing a beautiful or busty sex worker if your civilian possibilities are neither beautiful or busty.

We all have different opinions, but that doesn‘t seem like much of a way to live life. Few, if any, if us do it with food. You go to the steakhouse from time to time, and get exotic Indian and Vietnamese cuisine sometimes.

Who wants to avoid ever enjoying life occasionally, just because your most enjoyable days won’t be replicated every day?

 

[massman]

The one thing this hobby ruins for you, is in expectations of how good you expect your partner to be. I am never satisfied in civie sex in most cases, because those women don't have the skills providers have in bed. Plus when you have sex with women in their 20s most of the time, it is hard to feel sexually attracted to age appropriate partners.

As for sexual preferences, no. A lot of fetishes already exist within us. They are just unexplored because civilian sex is restrictive and often times unimaginative and boring. Providers have introduced adventure and fun, and therefore there is nothing wrong in wanting those experiences, be it someone vomiting on our cock or taking ass to mouth. I think being sex positive, and aware of what you like/don't like, is actually healthy.

I wouldn't take Jordan Petersen, the incel king's advice on sex of all things. JP is a boring ass white dude, whose version of sex is like eating an unseasoned green bean casserole.

The negative bit, is if you get addicted to it, are constantly thinking about it, spend a fortune on it to the verge of bankruptcy etc., Now that is dangerous and you need to get help. But if you are budgeting for it, and enjoying what you like, I don't think it is negative at all. Infact as a single guy, I prefer this. Keep my money and sanity to myself and enjoy kinky sex with hot women. lol.

“Unseasoned green bean casserole”. !!!

I’ve not had the same experience you describe tho, maybe because I have really only participated in this hobby in moderation for the last several years. I still quite enjoy “vanilla” sex in real life (when it happens). Now a skilled bj or Greek is quite a pleasure, but even without those things, I can enjoy and get off with what many people here would consider “boring” sex.

 

[tier3]

The fact that we all are casually using the term "civvie sex" means that our perspectives have changed by an amount.

That being said, is this a change for better or for worse in your personal case? If it's for the worse you need to check yourself.

None of us would be here if we were okay with civvie sex to begin with, but then the question is... do you want to be?

 

[rocco_s]

I used to think I was a deviant when I was younger and tried to suppress my sexuality. I have come to realize there is nothing wrong with my behavior as long as it is consensual.

I like to be the more dominant partner and like having a willing partner who is open to filthy acts.

I actually have hobbied less over the years the more I have embraced my fetishes. It is also due to me being busy with work and trying to find submissive women who are open to my kinks.

I have dated in the civilian world and found some women aren't open to these kinks. I find utilizing sps and sbs is a better fit for me as I don't need to hit a dead-end with a civilian who is not open to bdsm.

 

[angrymime666]

Great and interest points in this thread. Some apply personally some don't.

Fellas, do you fear that SP’s will ruin you for civvie relationships? Or has this already happened??

What I mean is that I have been noticing a trend of escalation of XXX services. No, I’m not talking about the service special offered by reputable agencies like GG, I am referring to extreme carnality.

I read and learned from amateur Kermit the Frog impersonator Dr Jordan Peterson that we become irreversibly more extreme in micro increments. He recommended reading this book: Ordinary Men. Dr Peterson says that if these micro increments are left unchecked we eventually and irreversibly turn into something much darker/depraved/different than when we started. The process is very subtle; for example, it might start with an innocent ass slap, to her choking you, to you ordering a sub to vomit on your cock. My fear is that this hobby has opportunities/experiences that will change our appetites into something like this:this:https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/din...duo-for-2-hours-allegra-escort-agency.841718/

No disrespect tor @Rocco, but I was very disturbed by the goings on in @Torontogent1’s latest review; eg ass to mouth.

Is anyone thinking the same way about how this hobby can change us from the vanilla to the extreme?

I included a couple threads that have explored how hobbying can lead us to the extreme. I really don’t think you can enjoy vanilla once you have gone to the extreme.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/what’s-most-perverted-thing-you’ve-asked-a-sp-to-do.832119/

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/bored-need-something-of-out-of-regular.830080/

Participating in the pfp made me realize how transactional any relationship is and the idea of love is just that an idea or a holiday. Being touched by a female tends evoke emotions and excitement for me, not in an erection type of way though. It's biology trying to get me to bond with woman.

I have noticed over the years my change from women only porn to tranny porn. It's a much more mind fuck of experience. Strabge

 

[StephenHKing]

In fairness to Jordan aka Kermit the Frog [impersonator], I didn’t hear him talking about sexual escalations or even perversions. The book I referenced above was about seemingly ordinary family oriented men that worked as guards at concentration camps. These ordinary guys (of German decent - ahem) slowly became darker and meaner as their power grew over the prisoners. At the onset they just rough on the prisoners. But with each passing day their brutality increased inch by inch. Near the end of the war these ordinary men were indistinguishable from monsters of brutality. It was their slow escalations of prisoner brutality and depravity that turned them very dark. I was illustrating a parallel. No offense.

That Stanford guard experiment phenomenon is more about power dynamics becoming embedded for both sides.

Even with SPs, sexual relationships are more organically balanced. The girl is inclined to agree with most advances, but they won’t agree to treatment they don’t tolerate.

If you enjoy extreme domination or pain, you really won’t readily find it with SPs.

 

[Valcazar]

In fairness to Jordan aka Kermit the Frog [impersonator], I didn’t hear him talking about sexual escalations or even perversions. The book I referenced above was about seemingly ordinary family oriented men that worked as guards at concentration camps. These ordinary guys (of German decent - ahem) slowly became darker and meaner as their power grew over the prisoners. At the onset they just rough on the prisoners. But with each passing day their brutality increased inch by inch. Near the end of the war these ordinary men were indistinguishable from monsters of brutality. It was their slow escalations of prisoner brutality and depravity that turned them very dark. I was illustrating a parallel. No offense.

But what would that have to do with people getting more twisted from SPs or Peterson's belief that any laxity inevitably leads to corruption.
That's a very specific environment - a concentration camp.