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If Liberals don't have pharmacare bill by March 1, pact with NDP will be void: Singh

Vinson

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So what will happen if the pact is void, will Canadians be forced to vote ? If the government doesn't fall, then The Liberals really won't care if the NDP leave.


OTTAWA — New Democrat Leader Jagmeet Singh says if the government doesn’t make good on pharmacare legislation by March, that would kill the Liberal-NDP political pact.

But he’s making it clear that any collapse in the deal, which is meant to hold off a federal election until next year, would be the Liberals’ fault.

Singh has been talking tough this week about the looming deadline to table a bill, and met with the prime minister Monday to lay out his expectations.

Reporters lobbed questions at Singh today about what consequences he’s willing to bring down on the Liberals.

He says if the Liberals don’t deliver by March 1, they would be turning their back on the parties’ agreement — and he warns he won’t extend that deadline any further.

The deal originally said a bill should be passed by the end of 2023, but after months of negotiation over what it should say, the two parties punted the due date.

Singh told reporters Wednesday that the parties have fundamental differences of opinion about how pharmacare should work.

The text of the supply-and-confidence deal, which has the NDP promising to support the minority government on key votes in exchange for movement on shared priorities, only calls for “progress toward a universal national pharmacare program.”

It offers no other specifics.

The NDP is looking to see legislation that would underpin a future universal, single-payer system, and the grassroots of the party voted at a policy convention in October to settle for nothing less.

The Liberals, meanwhile, have pushed for a model that would serve people who don’t have existing insurance coverage, Singh said of the discussions.

Health Minister Mark Holland has said cost is a factor, and the government’s fiscal framework can’t absorb a massive expense.

The Liberals and the NDP originally struck their deal in 2022, months after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was elected with a minority mandate for a second time in a row.

Since then, polls have shown the Opposition Conservatives rising in popularity across the country under the leadership of Pierre Poilievre.

That leaves the Liberals and NDP at risk of losing seats the next time Canadians go to the polls, with a federal election scheduled for fall 2025 at the latest.

Even if the deal ends in March, it doesn’t mean the NDP will bring down the government.

Singh said he told the prime minister that there would be repercussions for missing the pharmacare deadline, but wouldn’t tell reporters what they are.

 

NotADcotor

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The NDP are kinda boned. If they push an election, it seems likely that the Conservatives will win a majority and the NDP would be even worse off and TrueDooh as well as the rank and file of the NDP know this.

Doesn't mean they won't pull the plug, but even James T Kirk would understand that this unlike the Kobayashi Maru, it's at this point a no win situation.

At the most, seeing the Liberals take a beating might be good for them 4 years from now, OTOH if they get a new leader, it might make the liberals stronger.

Fuck it, put Charles in charge.
 

Not getting younger

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So.
Some just a day or two ago some die hard Liberals said I don’t know what I’m talking about. When I said

“A year and change, assuming Singh doesn’t flush the toilet and get rid of this stinking, pile of moistly useless shit”

He is a politician after all..and if some people grasped politics, first and foremost they think about their own political futures first.

Question is:
is he leveraging public opinion of the Liberal Party for his own gain as a no body.

Or is he serious and
Leveraging public opinion of the Liberal Party thinking better to flush the toilet now when polls are so brutal and there will absolutely be a lot of Lefties that can’t stomach the Liberals and see him as the place to cast a vote…. leaving little but the die hards for JT

or in 18 months time and roll the dice .

Fear and greed.
 
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NotADcotor

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So.
Some just a day or two ago some die hard Liberals said I don’t know what I’m talking about. When I said

“A year and change, assuming Singh doesn’t flush the toilet and get rid of this stinking, pile of moistly useless shit”

He is a politician after all..and if some people grasped politics, first and foremost they think about their own political futures first.

Question is:
is he leveraging public opinion of the Liberal Party for his own gain as a no body.

Or is he serious and
Leveraging public opinion of the Liberal Party thinking better to flush the toilet now when polls are so brutal and there will absolutely be a lot of Lefties that can’t stomach the Liberals and see him as the place to cast a vote…. leaving little but the die hards for JT

or in 18 months time and roll the dice .

Fear and greed.
I guess the longer he takes to pull the plug, the more he gets linked with the liberals, although if he pulls the plug and there is an election, the damage is done and we can be sure that Pierre Poulet will make the link much like TrueDoof does with any conservative and Harper.
 

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Singh can very likely pick up seats out of this in Urban areas. And point to other accomplishments as the reason to send him votes.

Also killing the deal does with some raise his integrity level.
 

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He won't cancel the deal with the Liberals.
Singh getting his qualifications for a full pension mean a hell of a lot more.
They only need 6 years for full pension.
He was elected in 2019. You do the math.
 

NotADcotor

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He won't cancel the deal with the Liberals.
Singh getting his qualifications for a full pension mean a hell of a lot more.
They only need 6 years for full pension.
He was elected in 2019. You do the math.
Not sure where his seat is but I doubt he is going to lose it, NDP support is pretty steady. His pension is secure. Also if Pierre Poulet gets the majority he is projected to, his pension is even more secure.
 
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Singhs career is much more done than Trudeau's....he can talk all he wants but he falls before liberals do....
 

NotADcotor

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Singhs career is much more done than Trudeau's....he can talk all he wants but he falls before liberals do....
More done then TrueDooh's?

He didn't do exceptionally well, but he is par for the course as far as NDP numbers are. 2011 when people especially in Quebec went sex nuts and retard strong for a zombie was pretty much a one time thing which even Jack Layton wasn't able to do in his previous 3 kicks of the can, numbers worse than current NDP numbers. I can't really pin anything Singh has done wrong... other than be leader of the NDP. He says some moronic things but that's par for the course for all parties and it isn't working out too badly for him. He ain't no Joseph Heath, leftist but informed and reasonable UofT professor but people like him don't really stand a chance.
 
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He won't cancel the deal with the Liberals.
Singh getting his qualifications for a full pension mean a hell of a lot more.
They only need 6 years for full pension.
He was elected in 2019. You do the math.
He will get that no matter what. What possible scandal or other could he do or cause as a no-body that will see him punted?

Up for grabs is a sweet crib, and more. Just a week ago they both had 23%. Will he? Who knows. I know what I would do. I’d flush them, turn on them like a softer attack dog, and sewer them. Steal pages of their platform. Cough cough.

No differently than Jack did in 2011. He picked up seats in Quebec and Atlantic Canada (ship building). Singh could also do very well in the GTA, with Brampton and all that. And a whole bunch of ignored, treated like shit and forgotten dirty masses.
 
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The NDP are kinda boned. If they push an election, it seems likely that the Conservatives will win a majority and the NDP would be even worse off and TrueDooh as well as the rank and file of the NDP know this.

Doesn't mean they won't pull the plug, but even James T Kirk would understand that this unlike the Kobayashi Maru, it's at this point a no win situation.

At the most, seeing the Liberals take a beating might be good for them 4 years from now, OTOH if they get a new leader, it might make the liberals stronger.

Fuck it, put Charles in charge.
Yeah, they're fucked either way
 

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Singh is an incompetent politician. He could've pushed a weak Trudeau around and made the pact contingent
on electoral reform, the NDP has the most to gain from a PR system.
 

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Singh is an incompetent politician. He could've pushed a weak Trudeau around and made the pact contingent
on electoral reform, the NDP has the most to gain from a PR system.
Trudeau would never have gone for it.
 

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Singh is completely bluffing. This guy is nothing but a charlatan.
 

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Trudeau would never have gone for it.
A weakened Trudeau would have. Give him a choice, PR or go to the polls again when it's not convenient for the libs,
the NDP has nothing to lose in that case but they'll lose again and again under FPTP once the libs recover or choose
a more competent leader.
 
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NotADcotor

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Is that better than giving capitalists your money and then thanking them for the priviledge?
Nobody gives capitalists their money, except for government pork projects. One more thing your hate has made you unable to understand.
Even Homer Simpson can figure it out.
 
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