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...and yet it would all stop if Hamas, the leaders elected and supported by the Palestinians, only surrendered for the sake of their people.
 
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...and yet it would all stop if Hamas, the leaders elected and supported by the Palestinians, only surrendered for the sake of their people.
Assuming that they actually cared about their people.

Everything they've done so far indicates otherwise. They are using the civilians as pawns.
 
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toguy5252

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Assuming that they actually cared about their people.

Everything they've done so far indicates otherwise. They are using the civilians as pawns.
Without all the death and destruction the protests would not be happening. The Israel/palestinian issue had been on the back burner for the last several years. All this death is exactly what Hamas and kat and gryphon and frankie were hoping for.
 
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Without all the death and destruction the protests would not be happening. The Israel/palestinian issue had been on the back burner for the last several years. All this death is exactly what Hamas and kat and gryphon and frankie were hoping for.
Yes, without the genocide the protests wouldn't be happening.

And now zionism = genocide.

 
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...and yet it would all stop if Hamas, the leaders elected and supported by the Palestinians, only surrendered for the sake of their people.
How would it stop? after all Israel put Hamas there, and Israel has said quite openly they want them all GONE. But once again you justify the mass killing of babies.
 

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Without all the death and destruction the protests would not be happening. The Israel/palestinian issue had been on the back burner for the last several years. All this death is exactly what Hamas and kat and gryphon and frankie were hoping for.
Israel had other options, but has Netanyhu said they are not interested in a 2 state solution, they just want the Palis GONE. Genocide is their only final solution.
 

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And now the Arab Zionists will launch more terror attacks because they think Israel belongs to them.

Arab Zionist=Nazis. Inept Nazis.
Don't forget to blame the elf zionists, lizard people and then brag about how the Jewish space lasers will destroy them all.
 

toguy5252

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Israel had other options, but has Netanyhu said they are not interested in a 2 state solution, they just want the Palis GONE. Genocide is their only final solution.
I have said many times that I believe in a two state solution and I remain optimistic that it will be one day. Bebe is the wrong guy for that but he will be voted out. How can there be a 2 state solution when Hamas is still committed to the elimination of Israel and Jews. Hamas is the only thing keeping Bebe in n power.
 

nottyboi

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I have said many times that I believe in a two state solution and I remain optimistic that it will be one day. Bebe is the wrong guy for that but he will be voted out. How can there be a 2 state solution when Hamas is still committed to the elimination of Israel and Jews. Hamas is the only thing keeping Bebe in n power.
How can there be a two state solution when Israel keeps expanding settlements and evicting palis and allowing settlers to inflict violence on them with impunity? Israelis don't want two states. They want the Palis GONE. Netanyahu is the moderate belive it or not.
 

nottyboi

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You justify Hamas using babies as human shields.

You seem like the type of guy that would not hesitate to shoot right through a baby. (y) Israel has been directing Palis to move to new locations then murdering them as they move and when theyt mass at these locations. You are excusing this horror.
 
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toguy5252

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How can there be a two state solution when Israel keeps expanding settlements and evicting palis and allowing settlers to inflict violence on them with impunity? Israelis don't want two states. They want the Palis GONE. Netanyahu is the moderate belive it or not.
I agree. And regrettably a leader like Bebe who is strengthened by Hamas will likely continue in that direction. I have been to Israel many times and your view about what Israelis want is wrong. I have a number of pali acquaintances and according to them the rank and file simply want a better life for their families in a state living side by side and consider the fantasy of Hamas and others which they have been selling for decades is just that and will never happen. Neither of my understandings on either side is scientific but rather based upon conversations.
 
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Well, everyone just wants to live their lives. But there are two things:

a) No Israeli will agree to go back to the 1967 borders. That is the 2 state solution. No other 2 state solution is possible. Not possible politically or even logistically and practically. 670,000 settlers cannot just be moved out overnight and the majority of Israelis consider this a huge strategic mistake.

b) No Israeli politician will agree - whether they be left wing (which is practically non-existent in Israel) or right wing - for either a 2 state or a 1 state solution. The design of the Israeli state is to take as much land as possible with as little Palestinians as possible. That is why they keep saying "Arabs have 22 states" - as if, the individual Arab states are not sovereign nations themselves and are all one and the same.
Which is why the campaign to end apartheid through BDS is the only logical peaceful path forward.
Give Palestinians equal rights and the vote, all Palestinians under Israeli rule.

The one state apartheid solution is already in place, so time to end apartheid and give Palestinians full human rights.
 
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