Israel at war

Frankfooter

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They didn't have a covenant of that either....hamas on the other hand flat out admit it.... if you don't see the difference, you're beyond blind....probably beyond stupidity...
There is no Hamas covenant for genocide, their latest charter calls for the two state solution.
All you do is repeat hate speech over and over again as its real.

 

danmand

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The march to self destruction
Nah, Israel is desperate to get USA directly involved in the fight. Same reason it is provoking Egypt over the border to Gaza.
 

mandrill

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Nah, Israel is desperate to get USA directly involved in the fight. Same reason it is provoking Egypt over the border to Gaza.
Why, Danny?

The IDF is winning pretty convincingly against weak opposition. Why would it need the US?
 

danmand

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Why, Danny?

The IDF is winning pretty convincingly against weak opposition. Why would it need the US?
Same as Ukraine is winning, eh Maddy?
 

mandrill

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Same as Ukraine is winning, eh Maddy?
No, Danny. Ukraine is currently stalemated, but may / may not be winning a war of attrition and political stability.

Israel has occupied north Gaza and is moving into South Gaza and has destroyed most opposition.

Two different wars. Two different situations. Read up on the topics and you'll understand them better.
 

danmand

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No, Danny. Ukraine is currently stalemated, but may / may not be winning a war of attrition and political stability.

Israel has occupied north Gaza and is moving into South Gaza and has destroyed most opposition.

Two different wars. Two different situations. Read up on the topics and you'll understand them better.
You are correct there, Mandy, glad that you agree. It is not a war in Gaza, It is an occupation force massacring the occupied, which amount to genocide.
 

mandrill

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You are correct there, Mandy, glad that you agree. It is not a war in Gaza, It is an occupation force massacring the occupied, which amount to genocide.
Yep. Hamas were dummies to think that Israel wouldn't invade after they massacred, raped and kidnapped those people on 7 October.

Why do you think Hamas made that mistake?

1. Maybe they're just dumb.
2. Maybe Iran promised that they'd helpfully invade Israel and then thought twice and sacrificed their Hammy pals.
3. Maybe the Hamas billionaires in Qatar figured they suck in so many extra donations if they caused the death of all those sweet little kids in Gaza that they'd double their personal wealth and that was such a sweet idea that they said "What the fuck?! May as well get Gaza flattened. Order more champagne!"
 
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Yep. Hamas were dummies to think that Israel wouldn't invade after they massacred, raped and kidnapped those people on 7 October.

Why do you think Hamas made that mistake?

1. Maybe they're just dumb.
2. Maybe Iran promised that they'd helpfully invade Israel and then thought twice and sacrificed their Hammy pals.
3. Maybe the Hamas billionaires in Qatar figured they suck in so many extra donations if they caused the death of all those sweet little kids in Gaza that they'd double their personal wealth and that was such a sweet idea that they said "What the fuck?! May as well get Gaza flattened. Order more champagne!"
I think that will have to be answered by future historians.

Clearly, it has had an enormous cost on the population of Gaza.

But the cost on Israel has also been enormous. It has lost the support and goodwill from a large part of the population in the global south and Europe, and even some in North America.
It still has the unconditional support from the governments of Europe and North America, so time will tell if there will be any consequences for Israel of the "war".
 

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I think that will have to be answered by future historians.

Clearly, it has had an enormous cost on the population of Gaza.

But the cost on Israel has also been enormous. It has lost the support and goodwill from a large part of the population in the global south and Europe, and even some in North America.
It still has the unconditional support from the governments of Europe and North America, so time will tell if there will be any consequences for Israel of the "war".
Israel had lost the 18-25 cadre in the west in any event, as the heavy bias in academics is pro Palestinian. The current shooting war just gives those kids a chance to parade or - since it's cold outside - post on social media.

7 October grabbed the attention of people in my age group who previously ignored the conflict as "bad on both sides" and made us think that the only feasible solution lay in the extermination of Hamas.

Militarily occupying Gaza is so easily within the grasp of the IDF that world support doesn't matter in any event. And it's pretty notable that the neighbouring Muslim countries verbally denounce Israel, but probably cheer it on behind the scenes. Hamas isn't popular.

What I see is that Israel will gradually take over the entire Gaza strip and make an attempt to administer it using Gazans unconnected with previous Hamas power structures - i.e to de-Hamasify Gaza in the same sense that the Allies de-nazified Germany after 1945. Whether this works or not remains to be seen.

If you read and follow Alkhatib (the guy I posted above), you'll glean that Hamas is not universally popular among Gazans, although Alkhatib loathes Israel as well.

The best outcome is that the extremists on BOTH sides are removed from power and influence. And yes, that includes Bibi and his buddies, as well as Hamas and Hezbollah.
 
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