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Frankfooter

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I have a question...
Can you demonstrate mathematically how revenue collected in the form of carbon tax improves the climate? Mathematically not theoretically.
Carbon taxes make it more expensive to burn carbon and offset those by using the tax revenue to invest in renewables.
 

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We have been pumping out CO2's since industrial age started.
There were actually 2 industrial ages, but to simplify lets say the industrial age started around 1900.

So for the last 124 years we've been putting tons and tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Earth temperature has only heated up about 1.5 celsius.
Last time I checked Greenland, arctic and antarctic temperatures were still well into the -30C, -40C and -50C.
Mainland Greenland perhaps a bit warmer, but not by much.

Since we only have about 45 years of oil left (or approximately 1/3 of the 2/3 CO2 we've already put out into the atmosphere), how could that possibly lower the Greenland, arctic and antarctic temperatures to the point where all 3 melt and flood the entire world??
1 IAU is only about 4.5ºC.

IAU stands for Ice Age Unit.

 

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Ghawar
It depends upon what you consider a catastrophe. Climate change will lead to lower crop yields, changing livability of many geographies, increased weather events, and many incremental changes which will affect the cost and quality of life for many people. The impacts will increase, even if slowly, over time. It will become like a snowball, rolling down hill, which is an ironic example given the topic.
This sounds more like an attempt to phrase the dire warnings
of climate alarmists to make their message sound more palpable.

It is understandable our perception of catastrophe could be
different. One climate prediction according to climate
'science' seems certain though. Unless global carbon emission
is halved before 2030 nothing done beyond the point of no return,
not even putting a stop on fossil fuel burning altogether, would
make any difference in the course of climate change.
 
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Skoob

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1 IAU is only about 4.5ºC.

IAU stands for Ice Age Unit.

Palm trees at the poles....haha that's funny! They have their hooks in you don't they? Lol!

Better write an extra carbon tax cheque to keep the poles from becoming paradise! Lol! OMFG
 

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Ghawar
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Since we only have about 45 years of oil left (or approximately 1/3 of the 2/3 CO2 we've already put out into the atmosphere), how could that possibly lower the Greenland, arctic and antarctic temperatures to the point where all 3 melt and flood the entire world??
World will still be pumping oil 45 years from now and beyond into the
future though production volume will be only a fraction of where it is
now. I can assure you the drop in production won't have anything to
do with climate change or transition to renewable energy.
 
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Frankfooter

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Palm trees at the poles....haha that's funny! They have their hooks in you don't they? Lol!

Better write an extra carbon tax cheque to keep the poles from becoming paradise! Lol! OMFG
Wow, I had no idea you were that ignorant.
 

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We have been pumping out CO2's since industrial age started.
There were actually 2 industrial ages, but to simplify lets say the industrial age started around 1900.

So for the last 124 years we've been putting tons and tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Earth temperature has only heated up about 1.5 celsius.
Last time I checked Greenland, arctic and antarctic temperatures were still well into the -30C, -40C and -50C.
Mainland Greenland perhaps a bit warmer, but not by much.

Since we only have about 45 years of oil left (or approximately 1/3 of the 2/3 CO2 we've already put out into the atmosphere), how could that possibly lower the Greenland, arctic and antarctic temperatures to the point where all 3 melt and flood the entire world??
I have no idea whether those stats are correct but I am prepared to assume that they are.

And in terms of the math I cannot tell you what the actual incremental increase in temperature will be.

But if we are at a tipping point and we may well be then even a very small incremental change can have very serious repercussions. To use a stupid analogy again it my be the difference between ice and water. Or perhaps reduce the growing season several days or perhaps move viable farming a little further north or a few more hurricanes and wildfires.

Again very small incremental changes can have outsized impacts.
 

toguy5252

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This sounds more like an attempt to phrase the dire warnings
of climate alarmists to make their message sound more palpable.

It is understandable our perception of catastrophe could be
different. One climate prediction according to climate
'science' seems certain though. Unless global carbon emission
is halved before 2030 nothing done beyond the point of no return,
not even putting a stop on fossil fuel burning altogether, would
make any difference in the course of climate change.
I am not a climate scientist and whether there would be any changes I cannot say. But you do not have to be an alarmist to see that something is going on and it is not good. From your post it would seem that you may be among the alarmist calling for urgent changes.
 

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Ghawar
From your post it would seem that you may be among the alarmist calling for urgent changes.
You are right. The urgent changes I have in mind are for people to
voluntarily reduce fossil fuel consumption starting today and well
*before* transition to renewable energy is underway let alone complete.
Only the most lunatic of lunatics would think there is any chance
people would listen to such lunacy.
 
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Frankfooter

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53 million years ago when Australia and Arctica were still connected?
Nah...I think we'll survive long enough to vote Trudeau out of office and fix the "climate crisis" that way.
So you learned that we have increased the global temp by 1/3 of an ice age already and are on pace to drastically change the climate and you will just pass that on to your kids instead of dealing with it.
 

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The only thing I'll teach my kids is to not get brainwashed by the creators of ideological ponzi schemes.
You can have your offspring check-in with my offspring 53 million years from now and see who was right.

Question: If I pay 33% more carbon tax, will that prevent the next 1/3 ice age from happening? Show your work.
 

Frankfooter

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The only thing I'll teach my kids is to not get brainwashed by the creators of ideological ponzi schemes.
You can have your offspring check-in with my offspring 53 million years from now and see who was right.

Question: If I pay 33% more carbon tax, will that prevent the next 1/3 ice age from happening? Show your work.
You were brainwashed by the oil&gas industry.
Your kids will hate you for it.
 

Skoob

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You were brainwashed by the oil&gas industry.
Your kids will hate you for it.
Actually I asked them to give up everything they have that was derived from the oil/gas industry and they said....ummmmmm....no thanks.
You're being played.
 

Frankfooter

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Seriously...I showed them this list...I guess you're ready to give everything here up? (Except for the crayons of course...how else would you widdle away the hours waiting for your government assistance cheque to come in?)

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products Made From Oil and Natural Gas Infographic.pdf

So? Ready? You can warn us before you throw your cell phone away.
My bad, I should have recognized that your kids would likely be as smart as you are.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I have no idea whether those stats are correct but I am prepared to assume that they are.

And in terms of the math I cannot tell you what the actual incremental increase in temperature will be.

But if we are at a tipping point and we may well be then even a very small incremental change can have very serious repercussions. To use a stupid analogy again it my be the difference between ice and water. Or perhaps reduce the growing season several days or perhaps move viable farming a little further north or a few more hurricanes and wildfires.

Again very small incremental changes can have outsized impacts
Lets say the climate experts are right and earth warms up another 2 celsius over the next 45 years.
Heck, lets take the worst case scenario and say earth warms up 5 degrees C over the next 45 years.

Antarctica is currently -31C. And dont forget its summer there now.
See here: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica

So even a 5 degree celsius warming is only going to reduce the temperature there to about -26 celsius.
How in the hell is that going to melt the south pole?? It defies common sense.
Earth would have to warm about 30 degrees before the whole thing melts.
And since earth has only warmed 1.5 degrees since industrial age started in 1900, its literally impossible for earth to warm more than another 5 degrees.

Then add to that Canada's winters have hardly warmed up either.
I've lived in Toronto for the past 30 years and unfortunately winters have barely changed.
Every year its the same shitty, cold winter.

Unless I'm missing something, global warming is an exaggerated pile of bullshit.

Just my $0.02
 
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