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niniveh

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Every Far Left goofball in the West is in on this grift.


HAMAS WITHOUT THE HATE

JANUARY 5, 2024Hamas Without the Hatred
BY RON JACOBS
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Hamas has been the bogeyman in establishment circles of the Global North for more than two decades. Hamas has also been one of the more successful manifestations of the movement against Israel’s occupation and siege of Palestine in the history of that resistance. Each of these sentences explains the other. It doesn’t matter whether one supports Hamas or its actions; their truth lies in the history of Hamas and its ongoing importance in the history of the Palestinians and the world. Given the vitriolic hatred of Hamas (and arguably the Palestinian resistance) in many of the governments in the Global North—and the repetition of that vitriol in the media that props up those governments—it has never been easy to get an honest picture of the organization.
One exception to this lack of objective information is the book from Paolo Caridi titled Hamas: From Resistance to Regime. Originally published in Italian in 2009, the text was updated in 2013 (when it first appeared in English) and 2023. The most recent edition appeared before the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack in southern Israel and the massive and bloody military response by Israeli military forces that continues as of this writing. The book, which has been roundly attacked in much of the Israeli media, presents Hamas as a movement founded in emotion and developed in conflict that has continued to modify its organizational and public approach as the situation in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza has changed. The group’s relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood is discussed as are its origins among the refugees of the Nakba and their descendants. The role of women and the changes in the Hamas leadership regarding this and other cultural elements are presented. The author briefly explains the rumors of Israeli government support for Hamas. What she discloses is that Tel Aviv considered Hamas’ charitable and social welfare activities useful, but when Hamas began its overtly political activities those considerations disappeared.
Hamas internal debates are discussed, as are its differences with Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. As anyone who has paid attention knows, it was those latter differences which have spilled out into the streets and resulted in the civil war between Hamas and Fatah after Hamas won the 2006 elections in Gaza. In her discussion of the elections and the armed conflict that follows, Caridi reminds the reader of the US and Israeli anger at the Hamas victory. In a direct contradiction of these two governments’ celebration of the democratic electoral process the Oslo Agreements were supposed to bring to the Occupied Territories, both governments rejected the Hamas victory and encouraged the armed conflict that resulted. The text tells how “no one wanted the elections…except for George W. Bush,’ whose war on Iraq was disintegrating into a multi-sided civil war with US forces in the middle. He wanted to prove the US could bring its version of democracy to the Middle East. When Hamas won in what were called the most democratic and free elections many observers had ever monitored, Washington could not believe it. So, they instantly rejected the results and, in doing so, rejected the will of the people of Gaza. The war between the Palestinian factions began soon afterwards.
The history told in this text is dense and complicated. One aspect of the organization not understood by most observers is the decision-making process used by Hamas. Succinctly stated, the group uses a process that is known as democratic centralism. This process, which is familiar to many leftists due to its use in some of their organizations, especially communists, is a process which involves debate among every cadre and other groupings in an organization. In Hamas, the four main constituencies are Gaza, the West Bank, the prisons and its membership abroad. The results of the local debates and discussions among these constituencies are then reported to committees higher up in the organizational hierarchy, ultimately reaching what amounts to a central committee. This committee accumulates the various points in the discussions and comes up with a final decision based on the earlier debates and the central committee’s understanding of the politics and the situation. The decision they make is then accepted and carried out by the rest of the organization. The strength of this decision-making process is in its closeness to the people and the fact that once a decision is made, all members will help put the decision into practice. At the same time, the political and military wings are independent of each other. As Caridi reveals, this approach is used when considering armed actions, electoral participation, social welfare work and almost every other aspect of Hamas’ public actions.
There are two things which are consistent throughout the history told here. The first is Washington’s ongoing manipulation of the so-called peace process, the Oslo agreements and subsequent negotiations with the intent of preventing a Palestinian state in any sovereign and viable form. Its incessant attempts at destroying Hamas (and arguably its political support) are instrumental to the current slaughter of Palestinians. The other is Tel Aviv’s even greater resistance to a just peace with the people whose lands they continue to steal and occupy. While these truths are well-known among those who oppose the occupation, the rational manner of the author’s relating these historical facts will hopefully encourage more people to accept them as the actual history of the occupation.
When I began reading this book I wasn’t sure whether Hamas would still exist when the review was published. The fact that it continues to keep Israeli forces under fire (together with other Palestinian resistance forces) is a testament both to its capabilities and support. As Israel and Washington work together in a slaughter which reeks of genocide and many of the world’s governments sit helplessly by, the desire of the Palestinian people for their liberation is expressed both through their stamina and the resistance currently led by Hamas. The fact Hamas continues to fight the occupiers and their backers is testament to the text’s essential fact: at this point in time Hamas is the strongest, most effective and leading element of the Palestinian resistance movement.
Ron Jacobs is the author of Daydream Sunset: Sixties Counterculture in the Seventies published by CounterPunch Books. He has a new book, titled Nowhere Land: Journeys Through a Broken Nation coming out in Spring 2024. He lives in Vermont. He can be reached at: ronj1955@gmail.com
 
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Israel are baby killers.
But it's OK to kill Jewish babies and it's OK when Hamas sets up their own babies to be killed by using them as human shields.

I don't know what it worse, your hatred or your utter lack of awareness.
 
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But it's OK to kill Jewish babies and it's OK when Hamas sets up their own babies to be killed by using them as human shields.

I don't know what it worse, your hatred or your utter lack of awareness.
So you think its ok to kill babies if you can pretend they were human shields?
I say its wrong to kill babies period.

12,000 dead children.

How were these kids being used as 'human shields' when they were bombed in their home?
 
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But it's OK to kill Jewish babies and it's OK when Hamas sets up their own babies to be killed by using them as human shields.

I don't know what it worse, your hatred or your utter lack of awareness.
No, it's NOT okay to kill ANY babies, anywhere.
After three months of incessant bombing with 2000 lb bombs almost the entire world is crying out to stop the carnage, except for the true
believers who fall back on the usual "human shield" defense.
Pity.
 
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No, it's NOT okay to kill ANY babies, anywhere.
After three months of incessant bombing with 2000 lb bombs almost the entire world is crying out to stop the carnage, except for the true
believers who fall back on the usual "human shield" defense.
Pity.
So a motorcycle gang could rape your wife, kill your kids and torture your dog and when you get a gun to stop them raping and killing your sister, they hold up a random baby and say "You can't shoot at us now?"

THAT'S how it works?

You place the value of a random baby over defending your own family like a coward?!
 

NotADcotor

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No, it's NOT okay to kill ANY babies, anywhere.
After three months of incessant bombing with 2000 lb bombs almost the entire world is crying out to stop the carnage, except for the true
believers who fall back on the usual "human shield" defense.
Pity.
Well someone seems to have forgotten to tell Hamas that.

Where were all these people crying out to stop the attacks and the return of hostages on Oct 7th. Yeah exactly, completely quiet if not in support, they only started to whine when Hamas started to find out what happens when you fuck around. But that was OK because it was dead jews.

Also where is the outrage when it's in Burma, or Syria or Nigeria, or Ethiopia or Sudan or... Oh yeah, it's only bad when Jews do it.

Also what is Israel suppose to do, just lie down and take it when Hamas fucks around and hides behind their own children, as part of their plan?
I suppose if the Hells Angles were to start strapping their kids to their "cuts" we should let them do everything and anything also.

If Hamas gave a shit about the lives of their people they would not have STARTED all this shit with attacks and hostage taking on their own civilians.
For that matter if the Palestinians actually gave a shit about the lives of their own people, they would not let Hamas keep fucking around and finding out.

You lot are blinded by your own racism.

Dead Palestinians? Good. It makes me happy. Same when people bitch about the atomic bombings in Japan and the firebombings [which killed more people in many cases.
Oh babies died?
Fuck them
Fuck them
Fuck them

Ditto for German dead
Fuck them
Fuck them

I know I know I am sure in the case of the Germans at least, you would rather they take over Europe and kill every Jew there rather than singe the hair of a single Nazi baby, but fuck that shit. I suppose if this was 1940 you would be bitching about Japanese dead while ignoring the gang rapes and bayoneting babies going on in China... I mean that is exactly what you are doing now.

Also when someone like Frankie goes on about genocide this and genocide that when the population of both the west band and the arabs in Israel keeps going up, when Israel could exterminate them, but don't. ANd worse of all when these same people actually support the one side in Israel that actually wants to exterminate an entire race from river to sea... fuck that shit. Frankie and his allies have 0 moral authority to lecture anyone on anything. Supporters of actual genocide and terrorism have about as much right to do that as Lybia and Iran do about telling others about women's rights [the UN did put one of them in some pro women group which explains all you need to know about the UN] or Paul Bernardo if he was to complain that someone is a bit rough with women.

Said it before, said it again, so consumed with hate that ye lot are blind.
 

Frankfooter

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Because Hamas militia were in the same homes and shooting at IDF guys from those same homes maybe???
You'd be fired for this defence.

It all comes down to 'but Frankie, I think Hamas are nazis so that means Israel has to be nazis to deal with them'.
 
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