Liberals applauded hefty carbon tax for a farmer

[Not getting younger]

Only the numbers they posted which were enough to show it was big.

So who is the bullshitter Frank?
You and others that don’t know how to read ( laugh) were called out……but all you know is that it’s big……Apparently you and others don’t even know that many very big publicly traded companies have thin profit margins…especially during tough times. Some even close or go bankrupt.

Never mind private family farms whose books and balance sheets no one is privy to….

Am I surprised? Not at all, we know you’ve never read nor understand budgets. Nor how things work, or why people are whining about the price of groceries aka “mushrooms”

 

[Not getting younger]

Might also be interesting to now point out given some replies and some who laugh, or think they are smart and or understand business and economics...

Often, in other threads whine about green belts and how crucial farms are. Obviously just lip service, Ill informed pampered, silver spooned people that have. No idea about life outside the GTA…and hypocrisy.

Not unlike manufacturing outside the GTA 2003-2014. When soaring hydro and cost….drove many to greener pastures. Also known as capital bleed and people out of work.

Interestingly from 2014 Franky boy and fan club. You might want to read this. And what have you done for them since but virtue signal lip service plus pile on more cost, more debt, throw them under the bus…..and whine for more for yourself and about consequences ?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2784485

 

[Frankfooter]

“I joined in and ngy did his usual gish gallop response instead admitting the points were valid.”

I strongly suggly you go back and read liar.
The only thing I said was to stop whining about the price of “mushrooms”.

You then snidely said millions of Canadians are whining about the price of mushrooms?

The only points made, and the only valid point are numbered 1-5 in post number 6…You’re a bullshitter who can’t read, doesn’t know English, doesn’t know much of anything. Not even post from just up above.

You were the one that said millions were whining about mushroom prices.
I just laughed.
Read the thread.

 

[Frankfooter]

Might also be interesting to now point out given some replies and some who laugh, or think they are smart and or understand business and economics...

Often, in other threads whine about green belts and how crucial farms are. Obviously just lip service, Ill informed pampered, silver spooned people that have. No idea about life outside the GTA…and hypocrisy.

Not unlike manufacturing outside the GTA 2003-2014. When soaring hydro and cost….drove many to greener pastures. Also known as capital bleed and people out of work.

Interestingly from 2014 Franky boy and fan club. You might want to read this. And what have you done for them since but virtue signal lip service plus pile on more cost, more debt, throw them under the bus…..and whine for more for yourself and about consequences ?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2784485

Free trade drove out manufacturing, not hydro.
DoFo spent $200 million cancelling renewable contracts and is now going back to start new ones.
Alberta went anti woke and now has massive hydro rate increases.
That's conservative economics.

 

[richaceg]

Gish gallop, gish gallop goes the bullshitter....

So you have no answer....

 

[richaceg]

Hyperbole. How big is the farm? well I looked it up and its massive. 10.5 MILLION pounds of mushrooms per year. 160K energy tax bill for a "family farm" that produces 10.5 m points which would be revenue in the tens of millions is nothing.

So I guess you have no idea how farms operates...you think it's plowing soils ,put seeds, water then harvest....that's it? Did you at least finish high school?

 

[Skoob]

Only the numbers they posted which were enough to show it was big.

What does the size of the farm have to do with it if you don't know what their costs are to run it?
Do you just salivate at the prospect of others paying more taxes so that you can continue to live your government-funded lifestyle?

 

[nottyboi]

So I guess you have no idea how farms operates...you think it's plowing soils ,put seeds, water then harvest....that's it? Did you at least finish high school?

Well yeah that's pretty much it in a nutshell for a mushroom farm. there is heat and usual operational and regulatory stuff. I would imagine thiere is a lot of heat involved in year round indoor agriculture. Also the can export their produce and get credits, get grants to reduce their energy use and carbon tax. Probably can even lower their costs in the longer run using geothermal heat and more insulation.

 

[Frankfooter]

What does the size of the farm have to do with it if you don't know what their costs are to run it?
Do you just salivate at the prospect of others paying more taxes so that you can continue to live your government-funded lifestyle?

If you have a small farm and $16k/month in gas bills its very different from having a more industrial sized farm.
That's pretty basic, skoob

 

[nottyboi]

Yes, I am reeling from paying $1.99 for a tray of mushrooms I purchased yesterday. That is one less hooker for me in 2024. Apples however are more expensive and only meant for the elites.

Either you have a source of really cheap hookers or you eat a SHITLOAD of mushrooms.

 

[nottyboi]

to be clear Trudeau admires their basic dictatorship
his words not mine

Another dumb, patronizing out of context conservative hatchet job.

“There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.’”

that is the quote. All the annoyances the Con's have with the Libs are really due to the democratic approach they take to development.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Not surprising that the out of touch career activist Guilbeault doesn't really get where food comes from and what it takes to produce enough of it at a price people can afford.

 

[nottyboi]

do you always substitute your biased view and Childs level, half assed pseudo logic in lieu of practical intelligent useful and complete analysis ?

you have no idea what this farms cost structure is
you have no idea how much this farms interests expense has increased over the past two years
you have no idea how much its operating expenses have changed due to inflation
no idea what is net profit margin is or even if it currently turns a profit

yet you somehow deduced the farm can pay this evil tax.,....... its nothing
the objective of the tax is reduce discretionary energy consumption,
The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary

A tax which does not meet its objective and instead punishes hard working Canadians is both stupid and evil

$160 K is a lot of money enough for
at least one full time employee that cant be hired
at least one capital piece of equipment to improve productivity that cant be purchased
perhaps the entire staffs year end performance bonuses that cant be paid out

this is one farm , there are 189,000 farms in Canada , directly employing 250,000 people
these people work hard, (hard physical work, like you will never understand)
some farms will fail because of Trudeaus inflation and his carbon tax

evil and stupid is a bad combination

It also comes with grants that can be obtained to lower costs and reduce energy consumption, its doing it in the most market based way possible. By making one approach less cost effective and subsdizing a more environmental approach. Also the lower carbon footprint of our agriculture will help it avoid tarriffs that will soon apply.

 

[nottyboi]

BTW good old PePe forgets to mention carbon taxes are rebated for exports. Canada exports 132 million pounds of shrooms. annually. So our products must be pretty competitive EH!! None of you whiners can suggest a better path. Regardless of how you feel about GW, all our partners are going in that direction so we really have no choice in the matter. If we do not go along we get locked out of their markets or tariffed. Its that simple. If you think puny Canada can do WTF it wants then you are really naive.

 

[Skoob]

Well yeah that's pretty much it in a nutshell for a mushroom farm. there is heat and usual operational and regulatory stuff. I would imagine thiere is a lot of heat involved in year round indoor agriculture. Also the can export their produce and get credits, get grants to reduce their energy use and carbon tax. Probably can even lower their costs in the longer run using geothermal heat and more insulation.

How about the fuel needed to ship supplies to the farm and products to market?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the packaging materials and to package the product?
How about the fuel needed to run the factories that manufacture the parts needed for the production equipment and transport vehicles?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the heating equipment whatever it may be?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture and deliver the insulation materials?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the fertilizers and any other supplies the farm needs?
How about the fuel needed to ship those supplies to distributors and then to the farms?
etc
etc

At every step of the way someone is paying carbon tax and that ultimately affects the price the consumer pays for the product.

So when someone is trying to convince you that carbon tax only affects the cost of fuel, think twice before being played by this Liberal ponzi scheme.

 

[JohnLarue]

It also comes with grants that can be obtained to lower costs and reduce energy consumption,

grants >>>>>> thats nothing
if they even came close to the $160,000 , all that has been accomplished is bureaucratic paperwork
otherwise the only outcome is to make farmers poorer
what part of '"The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary " are you unable to comprehend ?

to lower costs and reduce energy consumption

what part of '"The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary " are you unable to comprehend ?

its doing it in the most market based way possible.

government wealth redistribution ponzi schemes are about as far away from market based solution as you can get

By making one approach less cost effective and subsdizing a more environmental approach.

what part of '"The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary " are you unable to comprehend?

and yes the carbon tax does make the farms less cost effective

Also the lower carbon footprint of our agriculture will help it avoid tarriffs that will soon apply.

what part of '"The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary " are you unable to comprehend?
There will not be a lower carbon footprint of our agriculture, except for the farms that go bankrupt and stop producing.... our food

tarriffs ?
great
another layer of costs via government stupidity applied to our non-discretionary food supply

I would suggest you go work at a farm for a while, but you would get physically broken

Instead you should go and volunteer at a local food bank
perhaps then you wake up

however i doubt it as you are incapable of objective thinking
what is wrong with you?

The carbon tax is both evil and stupid

 

[nottyboi]

How about the fuel needed to ship supplies to the farm and products to market?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the packaging materials and to package the product?
How about the fuel needed to run the factories that manufacture the parts needed for the production equipment and transport vehicles?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the heating equipment whatever it may be?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture and deliver the insulation materials?
How about the fuel needed to manufacture the fertilizers and any other supplies the farm needs?
How about the fuel needed to ship those supplies to distributors and then to the farms?
etc
etc

At every step of the way someone is paying carbon tax and that ultimately affects the price the consumer pays for the product.

So when someone is trying to convince you that carbon tax only affects the cost of fuel, think twice before being played by this Liberal ponzi scheme.

Thats general inflation and any business, not specific to agriculture

 

[Skoob]

Thats general inflation and any business, not specific to agriculture

Agriculture is a business.
inflation is mainly caused by supply & demand not by the carbon tax.

 

[richaceg]

Well yeah that's pretty much it in a nutshell for a mushroom farm. there is heat and usual operational and regulatory stuff. I would imagine thiere is a lot of heat involved in year round indoor agriculture. Also the can export their produce and get credits, get grants to reduce their energy use and carbon tax. Probably can even lower their costs in the longer run using geothermal heat and more insulation.

You know distributing/shipping and packaging costs a lot. It's not like once it's harvested its good to go...

 

[JohnLarue]

Well yeah that's pretty much it in a nutshell for a mushroom farm. there is heat and usual operational and regulatory stuff. I would imagine thiere is a lot of heat involved in year round indoor agriculture. Also the can export their produce and get credits, get grants to reduce their energy use and carbon tax. Probably can even lower their costs in the longer run using geothermal heat and more insulation.

so you really do not know

so no, it appears you did not finish high school

get this fact clear
"The use of energy on a farm is non-discretionary "