I grew up in the Town of Mount Royal ( inner burb of Montreal ) during the separatist referendum years. War is hell!
Ex-Montrealers which area were you from? If you are from T.O. thank Rene Levesque for all the Corp. head offices he sent you.
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Moved from Winnipeg in 1972. Took an apartment on Cote St. Luc Road near Cavendish.
When got married first time took an apartment on The Boulevard just east of Decarie.
When got first divorce moved downtown to an apartment on Dr. Penfield.
Then moved into an apartment in Westmount Square, at de Maisonneuve & Greene.
Later got married a second time, and when we had a kid bought a house in Hampstead, 1993.
In 2005 sold the house (it had finally doubled what I paid for it) and moved to Toronto.
When got married first time took an apartment on The Boulevard just east of Decarie.
When got first divorce moved downtown to an apartment on Dr. Penfield.
Then moved into an apartment in Westmount Square, at de Maisonneuve & Greene.
Later got married a second time, and when we had a kid bought a house in Hampstead, 1993.
In 2005 sold the house (it had finally doubled what I paid for it) and moved to Toronto.
I spent the last few years in Montreal living in Outremont. Daniel Latouche, the separatist, lived upstairs. The Trudeaus used to live further down the street.
I know Pierre lived on Pine Avenue, but I do not know if this was after Margaret fucked Mic. After politics Pierre joined a law firm. He would walk from his home to the downtown office and drive the horsemen crazy. He would have his catered lunch, shake a few hands of clients and collect an executive payday.
Justin's Mom.
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Yes, but I was actually referring to Pierre's boyhood home. We lived a couple of blocks north of of his former boyhood home.I know Pierre lived on Pine Avenue, but I do not know if this was after Margaret fucked Mic. After politics Pierre joined a law firm. He would walk from his home to the downtown office and drive the horsemen crazy. He would have his catered lunch, shake a few hands of clients and collect an executive payday.
Justin's Mom.
BTW: TMR is/was a really nice neighbourhood. It is/was a bit of an enclave in the middle of a busy area of Montreal.
To this day I’m in awe of how hard Montreal shit the bed and Toronto became the financial hub of Canada.
Now its a quirky town known for strippers and food. That’s about it.
Now its a quirky town known for strippers and food. That’s about it.
Yeah, but I only got to live down the street from Kevin O'Leary. Just a 10 minute walk away across the train tracks is Greek Town ( Park Ex ) where you can get souvlaki and Little Italy ( the original one before St. Leonard, and Riviere de Prairie )
FYI- Carlos Ponzi of Ponzi scheme fame live in Little Italy in Montreal early in the 20th. century when he got chased out of New York City.
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Thankfully nobody off the island expects tips lol
(an in-joke between me and NotADcotor, all in fun...)
It was obvious that once the west was opened up, Toronto would be the centre of the Canadian universe but the Quebec politics and language issues speed up the process.
You can thank Rene Levesque for all the prosperity in the GTA. He was a "Useful Idiot" because I do believe he was a true separatist that believed that Quebec could have been independent. In the process of his failure to achieve his goals he sent trailer load after trailer load of money down the 401. The Parti Quebecois politicians like Jacques Parizeau were just there to exploit the situation for their own personal gain.
Montreal ( and Quebec ) suffered great losses from the separatist movement. The legacy of this chapter in history is that hordes of people in the hundreds of thousands moved out of Quebec. There was economic downturn and property prices declined but today Montreal is has a lower cost of living and lessor crime rate than the GTA.
As for food, you can not make it in the hospitality business in Montreal unless you offer value for money. The strippers are so passé that Montrealers are not willing to pay $20 a dance. Nude waitress restaurants were around in the early 80's. when crotch beards were still popular.
Saying Parizeau and levesque did for their own gain is so wrong. Not true at all.
They understood that it was time for french Quebecois to stop being at the mercy of anglophones. Who we’re controlling just about everything back then.
Yes many anglophones ended up leaving. But that’s ok. Quebec kept growing and kept their language. Levesque and Parizeau completely reorganized Hydro-Quebec to the powerhouse it is today.
I like that Toronto became such a great city and completely overtook Montreal. Fine with that.
QUOTE="jalimon,
Saying Parizeau and levesque did for their own gain is so wrong. Not true at all.
Read it again, I said that Levesque was a true believer in the separatist cause and Parizeau was there to exploit the situation for his own personal gain
They understood that it was time for french Quebecois to stop being at the mercy of anglophones. Who we’re controlling just about everything back then.
That was the big excuse. It was not a situation of English vs. French, it was a case of have vs. have not. There were plenty of poor Anglos in Quebec pre 1970s. Most of the wealthy and educated were English speaking. In the 1960s there were 3 English universities in Montreal ( McGill. Sir George Williams, and Loyola ) when there was only 1 French university ( Université de Montréal ). The second French university ( Université du Québec à Montréal ) was establish in 1969 and was only at full effectiveness in the mid to late 70s. To sum it up, pre 1960 there were a lot of rural farmers that came to the big city for a better life but only found low paying manual labor work. The separatist movement appealed to the poor uneducated Quebecois. The truth of the matter is that the wealthy and educated will always control the masses. Be they Anglophone or Francophone.
Yes many anglophones ended up leaving. But that’s ok. Quebec kept growing and kept their language. Levesque and Parizeau completely reorganized Hydro-Quebec to the powerhouse it is today.
Growth was stunted in Quebec after the 2 referendums because no one wanted to invest in an unstable province. Today there are more people that are able to speak English and more bilingual Quebecois than at any other time. As for Hydro Quebec. Levesque and Parizeau had nothing to do with the nationalization of electricity in Quebec. That started in the 1940s.
I like that Toronto became such a great city and completely overtook Montreal. Fine with that.
As I said, Levesque sent truckloads of money and all the head offices to the GTA. as far as quality of life Montreal is cheaper to live in and the crime rate is much lower. As far as crime goes, only the MA'fi"A, bikers and low life gangs are killing each other off. The average citizen if not effected.
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Rene Levesque is the person responsible for all the head offices moving to the GTA and bringing prosperity. Get a can and collect money to have a 4 ft. bronze statue cast of him to be displayed outside of Toronto city hall.
Trudeau, born to a wealthy family from the Outremont district of Montreal. Levesque born in a poor farming community in the Gaspé region of Quebec. Have vs. have not.
Saying Parizeau and levesque did for their own gain is so wrong. Not true at all.
Read it again, I said that Levesque was a true believer in the separatist cause and Parizeau was there to exploit the situation for his own personal gain
They understood that it was time for french Quebecois to stop being at the mercy of anglophones. Who we’re controlling just about everything back then.
That was the big excuse. It was not a situation of English vs. French, it was a case of have vs. have not. There were plenty of poor Anglos in Quebec pre 1970s. Most of the wealthy and educated were English speaking. In the 1960s there were 3 English universities in Montreal ( McGill. Sir George Williams, and Loyola ) when there was only 1 French university ( Université de Montréal ). The second French university ( Université du Québec à Montréal ) was establish in 1969 and was only at full effectiveness in the mid to late 70s. To sum it up, pre 1960 there were a lot of rural farmers that came to the big city for a better life but only found low paying manual labor work. The separatist movement appealed to the poor uneducated Quebecois. The truth of the matter is that the wealthy and educated will always control the masses. Be they Anglophone or Francophone.
Yes many anglophones ended up leaving. But that’s ok. Quebec kept growing and kept their language. Levesque and Parizeau completely reorganized Hydro-Quebec to the powerhouse it is today.
Growth was stunted in Quebec after the 2 referendums because no one wanted to invest in an unstable province. Today there are more people that are able to speak English and more bilingual Quebecois than at any other time. As for Hydro Quebec. Levesque and Parizeau had nothing to do with the nationalization of electricity in Quebec. That started in the 1940s.
I like that Toronto became such a great city and completely overtook Montreal. Fine with that.
As I said, Levesque sent truckloads of money and all the head offices to the GTA. as far as quality of life Montreal is cheaper to live in and the crime rate is much lower. As far as crime goes, only the MA'fi"A, bikers and low life gangs are killing each other off. The average citizen if not effected.
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Rene Levesque is the person responsible for all the head offices moving to the GTA and bringing prosperity. Get a can and collect money to have a 4 ft. bronze statue cast of him to be displayed outside of Toronto city hall.
Trudeau, born to a wealthy family from the Outremont district of Montreal. Levesque born in a poor farming community in the Gaspé region of Quebec. Have vs. have not.
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Back in the day, the Anglos were far more interested in business while the Francohones were more interested in the clergy. The Francophones became more interested in business during the "Quiet Revolution".
There were many poor Anglos as well not all were rich.
There were many poor Anglos as well not all were rich.
I agree with most of your post. Except about Hydro-Quebec. True these 2 did not nationalize it but they reshaped it completely to avoid an eventual sell out to the private. Parizeau was an absolute brain. One of the best student at the london school of economics. Besides his incroyable role at Hydro-Quebec he's behind the creation of Quebec Caisse de Depot and Société Générale de Financement.QUOTE="jalimon,
Saying Parizeau and levesque did for their own gain is so wrong. Not true at all.
Read it again, I said that Levesque was a true believer in the separatist cause and Parizeau was there to exploit the situation for his own personal gain
They understood that it was time for french Quebecois to stop being at the mercy of anglophones. Who we’re controlling just about everything back then.
That was the big excuse. It was not a situation of English vs. French, it was a case of have vs. have not. There were plenty of poor Anglos in Quebec pre 1970s. Most of the wealthy and educated were English speaking. In the 1960s there were 3 English universities in Montreal ( McGill. Sir George Williams, and Loyola ) when there was only 1 French university ( Université de Montréal ). The second French university ( Université du Québec à Montréal ) was establish in 1969 and was only at full effectiveness in the mid to late 70s. To sum it up, pre 1960 there were a lot of rural farmers that came to the big city for a better life but only found low paying manual labor work. The separatist movement appealed to the poor uneducated Quebecois. The truth of the matter is that the wealthy and educated will always control the masses. Be they Anglophone or Francophone.
Yes many anglophones ended up leaving. But that’s ok. Quebec kept growing and kept their language. Levesque and Parizeau completely reorganized Hydro-Quebec to the powerhouse it is today.
Growth was stunted in Quebec after the 2 referendums because no one wanted to invest in an unstable province. Today there are more people that are able to speak English and more bilingual Quebecois than at any other time. As for Hydro Quebec. Levesque and Parizeau had nothing to do with the nationalization of electricity in Quebec. That started in the 1940s.
I like that Toronto became such a great city and completely overtook Montreal. Fine with that.
As I said, Levesque sent truckloads of money and all the head offices to the GTA. as far as quality of life Montreal is cheaper to live in and the crime rate is much lower. As far as crime goes, only the MA'fi"A, bikers and low life gangs are killing each other off. The average citizen if not effected.
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Rene Levesque is the person responsible for all the head offices moving to the GTA and bringing prosperity. Get a can and collect money to have a 4 ft. bronze statue cast of him to be displayed outside of Toronto city hall.
Trudeau, born to a wealthy family from the Outremont district of Montreal. Levesque born in a poor farming community in the Gaspé region of Quebec. Have vs. have not.
Unfortunately Both of them hang on to politics too long. And became arrogant prick. But that is so common among politicians...
Quebec did nationalize a bunch of smaller electric companies to form Hydro-Quebec and Hydro-Quebec is itself actually owned by the Province of Quebec..
(I think Quebec is still a "have not" province and receives "equalization payments from the rest of Canada.)
and who was the adviser to Union Nationale and later the Liberals for the complete nationalization of Hydro-Quebec? parizeau! Then he went along in politics with Levesque to further develop it out of private rats who wanted their pieces...
I noticed there is now a park in Park Extension named after Dickie Moore.
Montreal inaugurates Dickie Moore Park, named after Habs legend | CityNews Montreal
The City of Montreal inaugurated a park named after Montreal Canadiens legend and six-time Stanley Cup winner Dickie Moore.
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Parizeau: "like lobsters in a pot", "money and ethnic votes" comments...
Editorial: Jacques Parizeau's legacy
Jacques Parizeau's legacy will always be a mixed one, but he was instrumental in forging the province that Quebec has become.
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Montreal Gazette Editorial Board
Published Jun 02, 2015 • Last updated Jul 15, 2020 • 2 minute read
There was a strange irony in the lowering of Canadian flags across Quebec on Tuesday following the news that Jacques Parizeau had died.
The symbols of national unity were being brought to half-mast to honour a man who, for the better part of his life, had tried to break the country apart. At the same time, the lowered Maple Leafs also testified to the failure of those efforts.https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...n-connection-with-murder-of-west-island-youth
As a high-profile minister and then premier as leader of the Parti Québécois, Parizeau was a clever strategist and passionate advocate of Quebec independence. He was no friend to Canada; nor was he a friend to the anglophone community, in spite of his own impressive bilingualism.
His treatment of the PQ’s largely francophone base was often no better. Parizeau’s off-hand comment suggesting that Quebecers would be trapped like lobsters in a pot if the Yes side prevailed in 1995 did not sound like the comment of someone with a deep respect for his fellow citizens. Similarly, his private plan for a quick unilateral declaration of independence following a sovereignist victory demonstrated a lack respect for popular will, given that the referendum question did not authorize any such move.
Parizeau steered Quebec toward the precipice of separation with such zeal that he nearly sent us clear over the edge. It was only then, standing in the shadow of an extraordinarily narrow defeat, that he would utter the words that ended his career. The infamous “money and ethnic votes” comment — for which Parizeau never apologized — eclipsed for many the other elements of his broad political legacy.
