Canadians With A Conscience Denounce Zionist "McCarthyism"

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What has zionism done for the Jewish people?
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Created the hope that there is a place they can be protected from antisemitism?

And I notice you've chosen to ignore my question because you know that Hamas's leadership in Gaza has only brought death and destruction. There's a reason why only 29% of people in Gaza have a high opinion of Hamas.
 

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Created the hope that there is a place they can be protected from antisemitism?

And I notice you've chosen to ignore my question because you know that Hamas's leadership in Gaza has only brought death and destruction. There's a reason why only 29% of people in Gaza have a high opinion of Hamas.
The numbers of those who support Hamas and the current round of violence are still over 75% according to the last poll you posted.
Netanyahu has 4% support and 4/5 Israelis calling for him to resign.

 

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The numbers of those who support Hamas and the current round of violence are still over 75% according to the last poll you posted.
Netanyahu has 4% support and 4/5 Israelis calling for him to resign.


Some here might call him one of the self-hating ones but his pleas deserve our attention


The Failure of Zionism
And What It Has To Teach The World
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As I write this Israel has been bombing Gaza, an area 365 square km large and housing 2.3 million precious human beings, for 23 days. Israeli bombs have killed, on average, 110 children a day. Palestinian mothers have begun writing the names of their children on their bodies so when their corpses are pulled from the wreckage left behind by Israeli bombing they can be identified.

Joe Biden, the president of the biggest military backer of the Zionist project, said something I’ve also heard from some Jewish friends of mine: that the Hamas-led health ministry is inflating the number of the dead. He said this without checking any of the actual evidence or the opinions of experts, who affirm that the Health Ministry’s reports of casualties have been shown to be accurate in previous conflicts. The ministry responded by releasing a detailed list of the names of all of the nearly 7,000 civilians who had been killed up to that point (it now passes 8,000).

The Prime Minister of Israel, a politician with a long history of corruption and far-right ideology, today described the current assault on Gaza by evoking the memory of the ancient tribe of Amalek (circa 1400 BCE).

A passage in the Hebrew Bible says, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’,” Netanyahu said. The Rabbis who created the Judaism we know today long ago (centuries ago) ruled that no modern nation could be equated with Amalek, but Netanyahu cares little for progressive Rabbinic values, to put it mildly. In quoting that passage he is explicitly signaling genocidal intent and completing the marriage of Zionism — in its inception a secular movement which repudiated the Jewish religion — with a twisted, nightmare vision of Judaism.

In the religious imagination of Jews between 136 CE and the 19th century, Israel was a magical land. Jews prayed multiple times a day for the messianic return to Israel and the redemption of the world. Prophecy, they said, was more easily attained in Israel (or only attainable there according to some); the produce was huge and tasted impossibly good; the soil had magical properties. For centuries, however, though many small groups of Jews went to live in Palestine for religious reasons, Jewish law itself was understood as forbidding a mass return to Palestine. The Rabbis of the Talmud wrote that there were three oaths preventing Jews taking Israel back through war or population transfer: One, that the Jews should not ascend to Eretz Yisrael as a wall (take it back by returning en masse). And another one, that the Holy One, Blessed be He, adjured the Jews that they should not rebel against the nations of the world. And the last one is that the Holy One, Blessed be He, adjured the nations of the world that they should not subjugate the Jews excessively.

The three oaths mentioned above, or rather the two applying to Jews, were taken quite seriously, as was the Rabbinic teaching that Jews should relate to the nations non-violently even if oppressed by them. Jewish law and consensus prior to 1890 stated that Jews should defend themselves boldly before the nations, but only with words. In the 1890s some argued that since the nations had broken the third oath, Jews were released from the first two. Orthodox Rabbis did not agree, arguing instead that if the nations broke their oath with God, then God would deal with it himself.

In the 19th century a group began arguing that Jews were a people like any other — i.e. one defined by ethnicity or culture, not defined by the ideas of the Jewish religion — and as such should live in self-determination and freedom like any other. They argued that Jews could only live in freedom, peace and strength if they shrugged off traditional religion and its promises and built their own nation-state to protect themselves. After some debate over where it should be, it was decided it should be an “altneustate” (old-new state) in Palestine.

Rabbis across the spectrum- both Orthodox and Reform- generally disagreed strongly. Bundists — non-Zionist, nonreligious Jewish activists — also disagreed, arguing that the only way to find freedom and peace for Jews was to build a world of freedom and peace for everyone. As Zionism gradually picked up steam, however, a steady trickle of Jews flowed into Palestine, where between 1878 and 1917 they increased from 3% to 10% of the Palestinian population.

As the new Jewish settlement grew, a minority of Jewish Zionists criticized the Jewish Zionist establishment for racism, dismissal of Palestinian Arabs concerns, and injustice towards them. Ahad Ha’am (1856–1927), the Russian Jewish Zionist, wrote in 1891:

“We must surely learn, from both our past and present history, how careful we must be not to provoke the anger of the native people by doing them wrong, how we should be cautious in our dealings with a foreign people among whom we returned to live, to handle these people with love and respect and, needless to say, with justice and good judgment. And what do our brothers do? Exactly the opposite! They were slaves in their Diasporas, and suddenly they find themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only a country like Turkey [the Ottoman Empire] can offer. This sudden change has planted despotic tendencies in their hearts, as always happens to former slaves [‘eved ki yimlokh — when a slave becomes king — Proverbs 30:22]. They deal with the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamefully for no sufficient reason, and even boast about their actions. There is no one to stop the flood and put an end to this despicable and dangerous tendency.”
“We who live abroad are accustomed to believing that the Arabs are all wild desert people who, like donkeys, neither see nor understand what is happening around them. But this is a grave mistake….The Arabs, especially the urban elite, see and understand what we are doing and what we wish to do on the land, but they keep quiet and pretend not to notice anything. For now, they do not consider our actions as presenting a future danger to them. … But, if the time comes that our people’s life in Eretz Yisrael will develop to a point where we are taking their place, either slightly or significantly, the natives are not going to just step aside so easily.”
-Ahad Ha’am, Russian Jewish Zionist, 1891- “Truth from the Land of Israel [Eretz Israel]”

In 1907, in an article in HaShiloah, one of the earliest modern Hebrew-language publications, the Odessa-born teacher and activist Yitzhak Epstein returned to Ahad Ha’am’s point. Epstein belonged to the Hovevei Tzion, the earliest Zionist organization. He had witnessed the purchase of the lands of Ras al-Zawiya and al-Metulla (now known in Hebrew as Rosh Pina and Metullah) several years earlier. When Zionists bought these farms from their Arab owners, they would dispossess the Arab tenant farmers and replace them with Jewish labour. He remembered the anger of the dispossessed Druze farmers:

‘The lament of Arab women … still rings in my ears’, he wrote. ‘The men rode on donkeys and the women followed them weeping bitterly, and the valley was filled with their lamentation. As they went they stopped to kiss the stones and the earth.’

Epstein warned that relations with the Arabs were the ‘unseen question’ that the Zionist movement was not addressing. He argued that Zionists tended to “forget one small detail: that there is in our beloved land an entire people that has been attached to it for hundreds of years and has never considered leaving it….What will the fellahin [arab pheasant farmers] do after we buy their fields?” he asked, “we must admit that we have driven impoverished people from their humble abode and taken bread out of their mouths.” His argument attracted little response, as had Ahad Ha’am’s before him.

Martin Buber (1878–1965), the great Jewish philosopher and mystic, proposed to the 12th Zionist Congress of 1921 a resolution that urged Jews to reject “with abhorrence the methods of nationalistic domination, under which they themselves have long suffered”, and renounce any desire “to suppress another people or to dominate them”, since in the country “there is room both for us and its present inhabitants”.

Buber and others, including academics affiliated with the newly-established Hebrew University in Jerusalem like Gershom Scholem, the great scholar of Jewish mysticism, created “Brit Shalom,” the first major Zionist Arab-Jewish peace group in 1925. The association existed “to arrive at an understanding between Jews and Arabs…on the basis of absolute political equality of two culturally autonomous peoples, and to determine the lines of their co-operation for the development of the country.”

Brit Shalom’s founders came from different political and personal backgrounds. Some of them were well established Yishuv leaders, who saw reconciliation with Arabs as a practical necessity (like Arthur Ruppin, a senior Zionist settlement official). Still others were inspired by moral convictions, and saw the need to incorporate the needs and concerns of local people — not only of Jews — into the Zionist mission.

Ruppin, as a senior settlement official, was criticized by his Labour allies who regarded Brit Shalom as “delusional.” Ruppin, in turn, worried that Zionism would “deteriorate into pointless chauvinism” and that it would become impossible “to allocate a sphere of action to a growing number of Jews in Palestine without oppressing the Arabs.”

The Zionist mainstream consistently claimed that Palestinian nationalism was superficial and was a result of the “ignorant masses” of Arabs being manipulated by an elite who wanted to destroy the Zionist project. This was a dangerous misunderstanding. In fact, as other Zionists saw, the non-Jews of Palestine were deeply attached to the farms and villages their families had lived in for generations and identified with their land and culture just as much as Jews identified with theirs.

Hans Kohn (1891–1971), a Zionist, philosopher, and critic of nationalism, wrote: “I cannot concur with this policy when the Arab national movement is being portrayed as the wanton agitation of a few big landowners. I know all too well that frequently the most reactionary imperialist press in England and France portrays the national movements in India, Egypt, and China in a similar fashion — in short, wherever the national movements of oppressed peoples threaten the interest of the colonial power.”

He wrote: “We have been in Palestine for twelve years [since 1917] without having even once made a serious attempt at seeking through negotiations the consent of the indigenous people. We have been relying exclusively upon Great Britain’s military might. We have set ourselves goals which by their very nature had to lead to conflict with Arabs. We ought to have recognized that these goals would be the cause, the just cause, of a national uprising against us … But for twelve years we pretended that the Arabs did not exist and were glad when we were not reminded of their existence.”

With lucid prescience, Kohn wrote that without the consent of local Arabs, Jewish existence in Palestine will only be possible “first with British aid and then later with the help of our own bayonets … but by that time we will not be able to do without the bayonets. The means will have determined the goal. Jewish Palestine will no longer have anything of that Zion for which I once put myself on the line.”

Ihud (Unity) was a new bi-nationalist movement successor to Brit Shalom. The association called for “Government in Palestine based upon equal political rights for the two peoples.” It was led by Judah Magnes (1877–1948) and Martin Buber, veteran critics of mainstream politics, as well as the famed Jewish anti-fascist intellectual Hannah Arendt (1906–1975). In a 1942 letter to an American Reform rabbi, Magnes defined Jewish nationalism as “unhappily chauvinistic and narrow and terroristic in the best style of Eastern European nationalism”.

When this statement became public, Magnes was harshly criticised. He defended his views: “What I had in mind was not the few extremists … but rather, definite acts which some important leaders and groups have not repudiated and which take on the aspect of being, to say the least, not contrary to their national policy.”

In Palestine itself, the emerging leader of the new Yishuv was David Ben-Gurion (1886–1973), who played a key role in shaping Mainstream Zionist policies. These included a left-leaning government (B-G was a moderate socialist) and a hope for peace with the Arabs that would be based, as he said, on “Jewish power.”

In 1948, 68% of the total population were Arabs and 32% were Jews. In November of 1947, in the wake of the horrors of the Holocaust, the United Nations approved a resolution to partition the country between them, with 61% of the land going to the Jewish state, and 39% going to the Arab one.

The UN voted for partition, a result enthusiastically welcomed by the Yishuv even as intercommunal violence broke out between the Jewish and Arab populations. Ben-Gurion declared Independence and then international war broke out between the nascent Jewish state and five Arab countries. Buber bemoaned the state being “built in blood” and stated that even if the Yishuv won it would be a false victory, as it would be a defeat of the true Zionist ideal of national rebirth- “not simply the secure existence of the nation” but the revival of its ethical mission. For Buber the normalization of the Jewish state was tantamount to assimilation. Jews were succeeding in becoming a normal state, he wrote, to “to a terrifying degree.”

“I cannot be joyful in anticipating victory,” he wrote, “for I fear that the significance of Jewish victory will be the downfall of Zionism.”

The early Israeli government chose not to allow Palestinian refugees to return to their villages and landholdings, some of which had been in their families for generations. The young Israeli government, faced with the daunting task of building a country nearly from scratch and integrating Jewish refugees from many different countries, many of whom spoke different languages, saw the Palestinian refugees as an undesirable and dangerous burden.

Calls from Jewish peace activists like Martin Buber to welcome them into the new Israel were ignored. Israeli society was gearing up for what is surely one of the most remarkable accomplishments in human history: the intentional, designed birth of a country, complete with a new language and a functioning economic, political, technical, agricultural and social infrastructure, including a rich community of artists, writers, musicians and philosophers, and the creation of a new homeland for Orthodox Jews as well (though many of them continued to be officially anti-Zionist and not recognize the state).

Palestinian Arab refugees moved into camps or became second-class citizens in Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. One Arab statesman of the time grimly commented that the refugee camps were not a bad thing- they would breed the future fighters which would destroy the unjust Zionist state.

The destruction of pre-Israel Palestinian society is known to Palestinians as the “Nakba”, or the Catastrophe, and is commemorated the day after Israeli Independence Day today, although the government financially penalizes any Israeli institution that acknowledges it. Some Palestinians wear the keys to their former homes on necklace chains which have been passed down in their families, or otherwise make “key symbols” to mark the “right of return” they believe they have.

Thus was born the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which 76 years later still rages like a festering sore.

Today Zionism is a Jewish, and human, failure.

The Zionist dream was that Israel would provide a safe haven for Jews, a base from which Jewish culture would flourish, and a solution to anti-Semitism.

In actual practice Israel has been in a nearly continuous state of warfare since its inception. Although in many ways Jewish culture has indeed flourished there amidst its great technological and creative successes, the maintenance and defense of a state which has an exclusively Jewish identity and prioritizes Jews above others has compromised core Jewish ethical values. It has utterly failed to fulfil the fundamental vision of traditional Jewish culture: the creation of a utopian society dedicated to what we believed are the values of God: uplifting justice and restorative kindness (chesed u’ mishpat).

In Israel today we have a society founded, fundamentally, on the belief that power equals security, a nation state that is an incarnation of the golem writ large. In order to maintain that power Israel has become a global arms dealer to super villains and tyrannical states, a purveyor of spy tech to the most perfidious secret services in the world, and a society which, in order to preserve its Jewish character, has a massive military. It is a global leader in weapons development, has an infamous spy network, and rejects and brutalizes African and other refugees seeking shelter within it. Most egregiously it persists in an illegal and vastly destructive occupation of the West Bank and Gaza which has been attended, for decades, by routine and pervasive oppression and human rights abuses, and which is a continual source of violence against Israeli civilians.

It is inflammatory to say this, but I think the truth is that the Zionist project is one of the chief causes of hatred of Jews in the world to day. An easy piece of evidence for this: since the Israeli siege on Gaza began, anti-Semitic incidents in the UK surged almost 1,500%. (Updated Nov 9 with US poll info). This is our protection? This is our healing? This is the end of anti-semitism? With every violent assault Israel rains down on Palestinians in the last decades there is a surge of anti-Jewish vandalism, hate speech and violent assaults all over the world. These very assaults are then appealed to as the reason we need Israel in the first place.

Maybe it’s time to consider whether or not the Bundists — early 20th century non-Zionist Jewish socialists — were right. They argued that Jewish freedom would only be won by freedom for all, not by building a militarized fortress for ourselves. Certainly a quick comparison of the situation in pluralistic, multi-cultural Canada with the situation in Israel would suggest that they were correct.

But what about Hamas? Doesn’t their desire to eliminate the Zionist state prove we need a militarized fortress and justify the Israel blitzkrieg assaults on their refugee camps?

Stephen M. Walt, a columnist at Foreign Policy and the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University, notes that “Israel pummeled the Gaza Strip during Operation Cast Lead in December 2008, did it again in Operation Protective Edge in 2014, and then did so once more (on a smaller scale) in May 2021. These attacks killed several thousand civilians (perhaps a quarter of them children) and further impoverished the trapped population of Gaza, but they didn’t bring us any closer to a lasting and just solution.’”

On most counts, then, Zionism is a failure, and a failure which has come at the expense of the rights and dignity of millions of Palestinians and which has entrapped generations of Israeli civilians in warfare, violence, and trauma.

Some Israelis will say, of course, understandably and angrily, “Are you saying my whole beloved country is a failure?”

There are many, many beautiful and amazing things about the Jewish society of modern Israel. But yes, any country which rests on the foundation of three million displaced refugees controlled through an elaborate security apparatus and endless war is, thus far, a failure.

This is a far cry from the ancient Jewish dream to be a light to the world.

There is one way, though, in which the Zionist regime can still be such a light, though, and that is in its very failure.

Zionism demonstrates in painful, horrific detail the utter bankruptcy of the idea that the solution to the Jewish problem lay in might and power.

The modern state of Israel stands as a warning to all nations and peoples that ethnic supremacy, chauvinism, isolationism and violence are not only not solutions to our problems, but will make them immeasurably worse and spread those problems beyond our borders to infect the human political body in general.

I am not writing this to incite hatred of Zionism or Israel, God forbid, but rather to argue that the only way forward lies through the dismantling of Jewish supremacy in Israel, the return of political rights to Palestinians, and a truth and reconciliation effort throughout Israel/Palestine as happened in South Africa.

Those who argue that we should not be critiquing the structures of Occupation and Apartheid in Israel in the midst of this war are like those saying that a patient who is hitting themselves in the face should not be diagnosed with the brain tumor that is causing it.

Yes, something humane has to be done to restrain their arm; yes they may need pain meds, but we also must understand that the tumor is the source of the problems. Yelling, “How can you talk about brain tumors while they have such bad wounds from hitting themselves!” are not helping, especially when this is what they yell every time the patient begins engaging in self-harm, year after year after year.

This is true especially when the people in the room are actively shoveling the patient chemicals that make the tumor worse — if I can stretch the metaphor just a little further — to cover the overseas funding and military aid that the openly Jewish supremacist Israeli government gets from the US and Canada.

The very real dangers associated with such a path are no greater than the ones associated with the path Israel is now on. Many Israelis see and know that the current status quo is intolerable, and no “Jewish state” is worth maintaining an open air prison for 2.3 million people.

In the meantime, as I write this, the quite possibly genocidal assault on Palestinian civilians in Gaza continues. The Jewish community should not support this war effort, nor should we support the state of Israel until it becomes a pluralistic, just democracy for all of its peoples.

For those interested, below is an interlocking series of articles that I’ve written on Medium on Zionism and Judaism:

Palestine between Israel and Israel: The Homeland of Others
 
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Today Netanyahu was trying to claim that it was Muslims that convinced Hitler to commit genocide.
This guy is really messed up and getting really desparate.


He said that while doing this.
He also believes the Byzantines and then the Ottomans engaged in a deliberate conspiracy to allow unclean vermin to settle on sacred, holy land. No kidding, he really does...
 
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He also believes the Byzantines and then the Ottomans engaged in a deliberate conspiracy to allow unclean vermin to settle on sacred, holy land. No kidding, he really does...
Which is weird as fuck, but has nothing to do with 7 October.
 

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You think its 'whining' to be outraged at Israel killing 10,000 children?

You really have no idea how unpopular zionism is right now, do you?

NAOMI KLEIN IN THE GUARDIAN



We have a tool to stop Israel’s war crimes: BDS
Naomi Klein
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In 2005, Palestinians called on the world to boycott Israel until it complied with international law. What if we had listened?
Wed 10 Jan 2024 11.00 GMT

Exactly 15 years ago this week, I published an article in the Guardian. It began like this:
It’s time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa. In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on ‘people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era’. The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions was born.
Back in January 2009, Israel had unleashed a shocking new stage of mass killing in the Gaza Strip, calling its ferocious bombing campaign Operation Cast Lead. It killed 1,400 Palestinians in 22 days; the number of casualties on the Israeli side was 13. That was the last straw for me, and after years of reticence I came out publicly in support of the Palestinian-led call for boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel until it complies with international law and universal principles of human rights, known as BDS.
Though BDS had broad support from more than 170 Palestinian civil society organizations, internationally the movement remained small. During Operation Cast Lead, that began to shift, and a growing number of student groups and trade unions outside Palestine were signing on.

a 'boycott israel' mural in Bethlehem, June 2015.
BDS: how a controversial non-violent movement has transformed the Israeli-Palestinian debate
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Still, many wouldn’t go there. I understood why the tactic felt fraught. There is a long and painful history of Jewish businesses and institutions being targeted by antisemites. The communications experts who lobby on Israel’s behalf know how to weaponize this trauma, so they invariably cast campaigns designed to challenge Israel’s discriminatory and violent policies as hateful attacks on Jews as an identity group.
For two decades, widespread fear stemming from that false equation has shielded Israel from facing the full potential of a BDS movement – and now, as the international court of justice hears South Africa’s devastating compendium of evidence of Israel committing the crime of genocide in Gaza, it truly is enough.
From bus boycotts to fossil fuel divestment, BDS tactics have a well-documented history as the most potent weapons in the nonviolent arsenal. Picking them up and using them at this turning point for humanity is a moral obligation.

The responsibility is particularly acute for those of us whose governments continue to actively aid Israel with deadly weapons, lucrative trade deals and vetoes at the United Nations. As BDS reminds us, we do not have to let those bankrupt agreements speak for us unchallenged.
Groups of organized consumers have the power to boycott companies that invest in illegal settlements, or power Israeli weapons. Trade unions can push their pension funds to divest from those firms. Municipal governments can select contractors based on ethical criteria that forbid these relationships. As Omar Barghouti, one of the founders and leaders of the BDS movement, reminds us: “The most profound ethical obligation in these times is to act to end complicity. Only thus can we truly hope to end oppression and violence.”
In these ways, BDS deserves to be seen as a people’s foreign policy, or diplomacy from below – and if it gets strong enough, it will eventually force governments to impose sanctions from above, as South Africa is attempting to do. Which is clearly the only force that can get Israel off its current path.
Barghouti stresses that, just as some white South Africans supported the anti-apartheid campaigns during that long struggle, Jewish Israelis who oppose their country’s systemic violations of international law are welcome to join BDS. During Operation Cast Lead, a group of roughly 500 Israelis, many of them prominent artists and scholars, did just that, eventually naming their group Boycott from Within.
In my 2009 article, I quoted their first lobbying letter, which called for “the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions” against their own country and drew direct parallels with the South African anti-apartheid struggle. “The boycott on South Africa was effective,” they pointed out, saying it helped end the legalization of discrimination and ghettoization in that country, adding: “But Israel is handled with kid gloves … This international backing must stop.”
That was true 15 years ago; it is calamitously so today.
The price of impunity

Reading BDS documents from the mid- and late 2000s, I am most struck by the extent to which the political and human terrain has deteriorated. In the intervening years, Israel has built more walls, erected more checkpoints, unleashed more illegal settlers and launched far deadlier wars. Everything has gotten worse: the vitriol, the rage, the righteousness. Clearly, impunity – the sense of imperviousness and untouchability that underpins Israel’s treatment of Palestinians – is not a static force. It behaves more like an oil spill: once released, it seeps outwards, poisoning everything and everyone in its path. It spreads wide and sinks in deep.
Since the original call for BDS was made in July 2005, the number of settlers living illegally in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, has exploded, reaching an estimated 700,000 – close to the number of Palestinians expelled in the 1948 Nakba. As settler outposts have expanded, so has the violence of settler attacks on Palestinians, all while the ideology of Jewish supremacy and even overt fascism have moved to the center of the political culture in Israel.
When I wrote my original BDS column, the overwhelming mainstream consensus was that the South African analogy was inappropriate and that the word “apartheid”, which was being used by Palestinian legal scholars, activists and human rights organizations, was needlessly inflammatory. Now, everyone from Human Rights Watch to Amnesty International to the leading Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem have done their own careful studies and come to the inescapable conclusion that apartheid is indeed the correct legal term to describe the conditions under which Israelis and Palestinians lead starkly unequal and segregated lives. Even Tamir Pardo, the former head of the Mossad intelligence agency, conceded the point: “There is an apartheid state here,” he said in September. “In a territory where two people are judged under two legal systems, that is an apartheid state.”
Moreover, many also now understand that apartheid exists not only in the occupied territories, but inside Israel’s 1948 borders, a case laid out in a major 2022 report from a coalition of Palestinian human rights groups convened by Al-Haq. It’s hard to argue otherwise when Israel’s current far-right government came to power under a coalition agreement that states: “The Jewish people have an exclusive and unquestionable right to all areas of the Land of Israel … the Galilee, the Negev, the Golan, Judea and Samaria.”
When impunity reigns, everything shifts and moves, including the colonial frontier. Nothing stays static.
Then there is Gaza. The numbers of Palestinians killed in Operation Cast Lead felt unfathomable at the time. We soon learned that it was not a one-off. Instead, it ushered in a murderous new policy that Israeli military officials casually referred to as “mowing the grass”: every couple of years brought a fresh bombing campaign, killing hundreds of Palestinians or, in the case of 2014’s Operation Protective Edge, more than 2,000, including 526 children.

Those numbers shocked again, and sparked a new wave of protests. It still wasn’t enough to strip Israel of its impunity, which continued to be protected by the US’s reliable UN veto, plus the steady flow of arms. More corrosive than the lack of international sanctions have been the rewards: in recent years, alongside all of this lawlessness, Washington has recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and then moved its embassy there. It also brokered the so-called Abraham accords, which ushered in lucrative normalization agreements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco.
Under a clear blue sky, men walk on the top of the rubble of buildings.

Palestinians inspect ruins in Khan Younis after Israeli airstrikes in Gaza on 8 July 2014. Photograph: Anadolu/Getty Images
It was Donald Trump who began showering Israel with these latest, long-sought-after gifts, but the process carried on seamlessly under Joe Biden. So, on the eve of 7 October, Israel and Saudi Arabia were on the verge of signing what had been giddily hailed as the “deal of the century”.
Where were Palestinian rights and aspirations in all these deals? Absolutely nowhere. Because the other thing that had shifted during these years of impunity was any pretext that Israel intended to return to the negotiating table. The clear goal was crushing the Palestinian movement for self-determination through force, alongside physical and political isolation and fragmentation.
We know how the next chapters of this story go. Hamas’s horrific 7 October attack. Israel’s furious determination to exploit those crimes to do what some of the government’s senior leaders had long wanted to do anyway: depopulate Gaza of Palestinians, which they currently appear to be attempting through the combination of direct killing; mass home demolition (“domicide”); the spread of starvation, thirst and infectious disease; and eventually mass expulsion.

Make no mistake: this is what it means to allow a state to go rogue, to let impunity reign unchecked for decades, using the real collective traumas suffered by the Jewish people as the bottomless excuse and cover story. Impunity like that will swallow not only one country but every country with which it is allied. It will swallow the entire international architecture of humanitarian law forged in the flames of the Nazi holocaust. If we let it.
A decade of legal attacks on BDS
Which raises something else that has not stayed stable over the past two decades: Israel’s escalating obsession with crushing BDS, no matter the cost to hard-won political rights. Back in 2009, there were many arguments being made by BDS’s critics about why it was a bad idea. Some worried that cultural and academic boycotts would shut down much-needed engagement with progressive Israelis, and feared it would veer into censorship. Others maintained that punitive measures would create a backlash and move Israel further to the right.
So it is striking, looking back now, that those early debates have pretty much disappeared from the public sphere, and not because one side won the argument. They disappeared because the entire idea of having a debate was displaced by one all-consuming strategy: using legal and institutional intimidation to put BDS tactics out of reach and shut the movement down.
To date in the United States, a total of 293 anti-BDS bills have been introduced across the country, and they have been enacted in 38 states, according to Palestine Legal, which has closely tracked this surge. It explains that some legislation targets university funding, some requires that anyone receiving a contract with a state or working for a state sign a contract pledging they will not boycott Israel, and “some call on the state to compile public blacklists of entities that boycott for Palestinian rights or support BDS”. In Germany, meanwhile, support for any form of BDS is enough to get awards revoked, funding pulled, and shows and lectures cancelled (something I have experienced first-hand).
This strategy is, unsurprisingly, most aggressive inside Israel itself. In 2011, the country enacted the Law for Prevention of Damage to the State of Israel through Boycott, effectively nipping the nascent Boycott from Within movement in the bud. The Adalah legal center, an organization working for Arab minority rights in Israel, explains that the law “prohibits the public promotion of academic, economic or cultural boycott by Israeli citizens and organizations against Israeli institutions or illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank. It enables the filing of civil lawsuits against anyone who calls for boycott.” Like the state-level laws in the US, “it also prohibits a person who calls for boycott from participating in any public tender”. In 2017, Israel began openly barring pro-BDS activists from entering Israel; 20 international groups were placed on the so-called BDS blacklist, including the anti-war stalwart Jewish Voice for Peace.
Meanwhile, across the US, lobbyists for oil and gas companies and gun manufacturers are taking a page from the anti-BDS legal offensive and pushing copycat legislation to restrict divestment campaigns that take aim at their clients. “It points to why it’s so dangerous to permit this kind of Palestine exception to speech,” Meera Shah, a senior staff attorney at Palestine Legal, told the magazine Jewish Currents. “Because not only is it harmful to the Palestinian rights movement – it eventually comes to harm other social movements.” Once again, nothing stays static, impunity expands, and when the rights to boycott and divest are stripped away for Palestinian solidarity, the right to use these same tools to push for climate action, gun control and LGBTQ+ rights are stripped away as well.
In a way, this is an advantage, because it presents an opportunity to deepen alliances across movements. Every major progressive organization and union has a stake in protecting the right to boycott and divest as core tenets of free expression and critical tools of social transformation. The small team at Palestine Legal has been leading the pushback in the US in extraordinary ways – filing court cases that challenge anti-BDS laws as unconstitutional and supporting the cases of others. They deserve far more backup.
Is it finally the BDS moment?

There is another reason to take heart: the reason Israel goes after BDS with such ferocity is the very same reason that so many activists have continued to believe in it despite these multipronged attacks. Because it can work.
We saw it when global companies started pulling out of South Africa in the 1980s. It wasn’t because they were suddenly struck by anti-racist moral epiphanies. Rather, as the movement became international, and boycott-and-divestment campaigns started to affect car sales and bank customers outside the country, these companies calculated that it would cost them more to stay in South Africa than to leave. Western governments began belatedly imposing sanctions for similar reasons.
That hurt the South African business sector, parts of which put pressure on the apartheid government to make concessions to the Black liberation movements that had been rebelling against apartheid for decades through uprisings, mass strikes and armed resistance. The costs of maintaining the cruel and violent status quo were growing higher, including for South Africa’s elite.
Finally, by the end of the 80s, the pincer of pressure from the outside and inside grew so intense that President FW de Klerk was forced to release Nelson Mandela from prison after 27 years, and then to hold one-person-one-vote elections, which carried Mandela to the presidency.
The Palestinian organizations that have kept the flame of BDS alive through some very dark years still place their hope in the South African model of outside pressure. Indeed, as Israel perfects the architecture and engineering of ghettoization and expulsion, it may be the only hope.
That’s because Israel is markedly more insulated from internal pressure from Palestinians than white South Africans were under apartheid, who depended on Black labor for everything from domestic work to diamond mining. When Black South Africans withdrew their labor, or engaged in other kinds of economic disruption, it could not be ignored.
Israel has learned from South Africa’s vulnerability: since the 90s, its reliance on Palestinian labor has been steadily decreasing, largely thanks to so-called guest workers and to the influx of roughly a million Jews from the former Soviet Union. This helped make it possible for Israel to move from the oppression model of occupation to today’s ghettoization model, which attempts to disappear Palestinians behind hulking walls with hi-tech sensors and Israel’s much vaunted Iron Dome air defense.
But this model – let’s call it the fortressed bubble – carries vulnerabilities of its own, and not only to Hamas attacks. The more systemic vulnerability comes from Israel’s extreme dependence on trade with Europe and North America, for everything from its tourism sector to its AI-powered surveillance-tech sector. The brand Israel has fashioned for itself is that of a scrappy, hip, western outpost in the desert, a little bubble of San Francisco or Berlin that just happens to find itself in the Arab world.

That makes it uniquely susceptible to the tactics of BDS, including cultural and academic boycotts. Because when pop stars wanting to avoid controversy cancel their Tel Aviv stops, and prestigious US universities cut their official partnerships with Israeli universities after witnessing the detonation of multiple Palestinian schools and universities, and when beautiful people no longer choose Eilat for their holidays because their Instagram followers won’t be impressed, it undermines Israel’s entire economic model, and its sense of itself.
That will introduce pressure where Israel’s leaders clearly feel little today. If global tech and engineering firms stop selling products and services to the Israeli military, that ups the pressure still further, perhaps enough to shift the political dynamics. Israelis badly want to be part of the world community, and if they find themselves suddenly isolated, many more voters could start demanding some of the very actions that Israel’s current leaders dismiss out of hand – like negotiating with Palestinians for a lasting peace rooted in justice and equality as defined under international law, rather than trying to secure its fortressed bubble with white phosphorus and ethnic cleansing.
The hitch, of course, is that for BDS’s nonviolent tactics to work, the wins cannot be sporadic or marginal. They need to be sustained and mainstream – at least as mainstream as the South African campaign, which saw major corporations like General Motors and Barclays Bank pull their investments, while massive artists like Bruce Springsteen and Ringo Starr joined a quintessentially 80s supergroup to belt out “ain’t gonna play Sun City” (a reference to South Africa’s iconic luxury resort).
The BDS movement targeting Israel’s injustice has certainly grown over the past 15 years; Barghouti estimates that the “labor and farmers unions, as well as racial, social, gender and climate justice movements” that support it “collectively represent tens of millions worldwide”. But the movement has yet to reach a South Africa-level tipping point.
That has come at a cost. You don’t need to be a historian of liberation struggles to know that when morally guided tactics are ignored, sidelined, smeared and banned, then other tactics – unbound by those ethical concerns – become far more appealing to people desperate for any hope of change.
We will never know how the present could have been different if more individuals, organizations and governments had heeded the BDS call made by Palestinian civil society when it came in 2005. When I reached out to Barghouti a few days ago, he was not looking back at two decades of impunity, but on 75 years. Israel, he said, “would not have been able to perpetrate its ongoing televised genocide in Gaza without the complicity of states, corporations and institutions with its system of oppression”. Complicity, he stressed, is something we all have the power to reject.
One thing is certain: the current atrocities in Gaza dramatically strengthen the case for boycott, divestment and sanctions. Nonviolent tactics that many wrote off as extreme or feared would get them labelled antisemitic look very different through the dim light of two decades of carnage, with new rubble piled upon old, new grief and trauma etched in the psyches of new generations, and new depths of depravity reached in both word and deed.

This past Sunday, for his final show on MSNBC, Mehdi Hasan interviewed the Gaza-based Palestinian photojournalist Motaz Azaiza, who risks his own life, day after day, to bring images of Israel’s mass killing to the world. His message to US viewers was stark: “Don’t call yourself a free person if you can’t make changes, if you can’t stop a genocide that is still ongoing.”
In a moment such as ours, we are what we do. So many people have been doing more than ever before: blocking arms shipments, occupying seats of government demanding a ceasefire, joining mass protests, telling the truth, however difficult. The combination of these actions may well have contributed to the most significant development in the history of BDS: South Africa’s application to the international court of justice (ICJ) in The Hague accusing Israel of committing genocide and calling for provisional measures to stop its attack on Gaza.
A recent analysis by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz notes that if the ICJ rules in South Africa’s favor, even if the US vetoes military intervention at the United Nations, “an injunction could result in Israel and Israeli companies being ostracized and subject to sanctions imposed by individual countries or blocs”.
Grassroots boycotts, meanwhile, are already beginning to bite. In December, Puma – one of BDS’s top targets – let it be known that it will terminate its controversial sponsorship of Israel’s national football team. Before that, there was an exodus of artists from a major comics festival in Italy, after it emerged that the Israeli embassy was among the sponsors. And this month, the McDonald’s chief executive, Chris Kempczinski, wrote that what he called “misinformation” was having “a meaningful business impact” on some of its sales in “several markets in the Middle East and some outside the region”. This was a reference to a wave of outrage sparked by news that McDonald’s Israel had donated thousands of meals to Israeli soldiers. Kempczinski has sought to separate the global brand from “local owner operators”, but few people in the BDS movement are persuaded by the distinction.
It will also be critical, as momentum for BDS continues to pick up steam, to be acutely aware that we are in the midst of an alarming and real surge of hate crimes, many of them directed at Palestinians and Muslims, but also at Jewish businesses and institutions simply because they are Jewish. That is antisemitism, not political activism.
BDS is a serious, nonviolent movement with an established governing model. While giving local organizers autonomy to determine which campaigns will work in their areas, the BDS national committee (BNC) sets the movement’s guiding principles and carefully selects a small group of high-impact corporate targets, chosen “due to their proven complicity in Israel’s violations of Palestinian human rights”.
The BNC is also very clear that it is not calling for individual Israelis to be boycotted because they are Israeli, stating that it “rejects, on principle, boycotts of individuals based on their opinion or identity (such as citizenship, race, gender or religion)”. The targets, in other words, are institutions complicit in systems of oppression, not people.

No movement is perfect. Every movement will make missteps. The most pressing question now, however, has little to do with perfection. It is simply this: what has the best chance of changing a morally intolerable status quo, while stopping further bloodshed? The indomitable Haaretz journalist Gideon Levy has no illusions about what it will take. He recently told Owen Jones: “The key is in the international community – I mean, Israel will not change by itself … The formula is very simple: as long as Israelis don’t pay and are not punished for the occupation and not taken accountable for it and don’t feel it on a daily basis, nothing will change.”
A row of white police officers wearing helmets and carrying automatic weapons faces what we see only as Black and brown hands raised holding flowers and showing the peace sign.

Riot police threaten anti-apartheid student protesters in Johannesburg, South Africa, on 20 August 1989. Photograph: Louise Gubb/Corbis/Getty ImagesIt’s late
In July 2009, a few months after my original BDS article was published, I traveled to Gaza and the West Bank. In Ramallah, I gave a lecture on my decision to support BDS. It included an apology for failing to add my voice sooner, which I confessed had come from a place of fear – fear that the tactic was too extreme when directed at a state forged in Jewish trauma; fear that I would be accused of betraying my people. Fears that I still have.
“Better late than never,” a kind audience member said to me after the talk.
It was late then; it’s later still now. But it’s not too late. Not too late for all of us to create our own foreign policy from below, one that intervenes in the culture and economy in intelligent and strategic ways – ways that offer tangible hope that Israel’s decades of unchecked impunity will finally come to an end.
As the BDS national committee asked last week: “If not now, when? The South African anti-apartheid movement organized for decades to gain broad international support leading up to the fall of apartheid; and apartheid did fall. Freedom is inevitable. The time is now to take action to join the movement for freedom, justice and equality in Palestine.”
Enough. It’s time for a boycott.
 
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Hamas came into existence in the 80's.
If there was no zionist movement, none of this shit would have happened.

That's like saying if there were no minorities in Canada, they wouldn't face any racism.

Typical racism from terb's Hamas fan club.



BTW. the Palestinian leader in the 30's and 40's was a guest of Hitler and raised Muslim troops to fight for the Nazis. He was one of the major influences inciting attacks on indigenous Arab Jews because he didn't want legal Jewish immigration.
 

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That's like saying if there were no minorities in Canada, they wouldn't face any racism.

Typical racism from terb's Hamas fan club.



BTW. the Palestinian leader in the 30's and 40's was a guest of Hitler and raised Muslim troops to fight for the Nazis. He was one of the major influences inciting attacks on indigenous Arab Jews because he didn't want legal Jewish immigration.
So much racism, basketcase.
But what would you expect from someone who backs apartheid and genocide.

That is as racist as is possible.

 

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That's like saying if there were no minorities in Canada, they wouldn't face any racism.

Typical racism from terb's Hamas fan club.



BTW. the Palestinian leader in the 30's and 40's was a guest of Hitler and raised Muslim troops to fight for the Nazis. He was one of the major influences inciting attacks on indigenous Arab Jews because he didn't want legal Jewish immigration.
An insurgency to oppose colonization. Fan? I always root for the underdog in a asymmetrical war...
BTW: What was this former Palestinian leader's name? I want to look it up...
 

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So much racism, basketcase.
But what would you expect from someone who backs apartheid and genocide.

That is as racist as is possible.


ROSALIE ABELLA: BASED ON VIBES NOT LAW




Rebutting Rosalie Abella’s Shameful, Vibes-Based Israel Defence
Abella’s article castigating South Africa almost completely avoids any discussion of the relevant legal questions or facts of the case.
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January 10, 2024 ∙ 7 min read
Rebutting Rosalie Abella’s Shameful, Vibes-Based Israel Defence

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Yesterday, The Globe and Mail published an article by former Supreme Court justice Rosalie Abella arguing that South Africa’s application to institute proceedings against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for genocide is “shameful.” Someone as well-accomplished as Abella should be ashamed to have her name on this article.
Naturally, you’ll wonder what I, a “journalist” to friends and a “blogger” (at best) to enemies, with no hint of a law degree in either case, am doing arguing on a point of law with a former jurist such as Abella. It’s a good question, but there’s a simple answer: Abella’s article almost completely avoids any discussion of the legal issues or facts at hand, and makes a vibes-based case instead — something I feel qualified to refute.
I’ve quoted segments (making up the majority) of Abella’s article in bold below, and responded to each one.
“To me, this case represents an outrageous and cynical abuse of the principles underlying the international legal order that was set up after the Second World War.”
South Africa’s 84-page document explains why the ICJ is the right body for its case. The application notes: 1) it and Israel are United Nations (est. 1945) members and parties to the Genocide Convention (est. 1948); 2) neither have expressed reservation to Article IX of the Genocide Convention, which calls for disputes on matters of genocide between parties to be brought to the ICJ; 3) any party to the Genocide Convention can bring forward a case against another party; 4) as a party to the Genocide Convention, it has an obligation to prevent genocide.
South Africa has made the case that it’s following the rules of the bodies created after the Second World War that both it and Israel agreed to. Abella doesn’t dispute any of this legally. Instead, she implies that South Africa doesn’t have legitimate cause to bring forward this case because nine years ago it failed to arrest the leader of a different nation at the behest of a different court. In other words: irrelevant on a legal basis.
“It is a legal absurdity to suggest that a country [Israel] that is defending itself from genocide [from Hamas] is thereby guilty of genocide.”
South Africa’s application makes a detailed case that Israel is in the process of committing genocide, relying on a variety of sources with a document that contains more than 570 footnotes. It also references many UN bodies and experts that, since mid-October onward, have at minimum expressed concern Israel is committing genocide: 30+ UN Special Rapporteurs; 28+ members of UN Working Groups; the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination; the Director of the New York Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights; the UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls.
Abella’s argument for her claim that Hamas is perpetrating genocide is that it has supposedly killed Jewish people “because they were Jews.” This is a false assertion on its own, given that Hamas and other Palestinian resistance factions oppose Israel because it is an occupying entity, not because the majority of its citizens are Jewish. Even if true, Abella offers no examples of any scholars, organizations or legal bodies who have concluded that Hamas’s actions on October 7 were genocidal — not just bad, illegal, or even war crimes, but genocidal.
And to go even further, even if that were true, Abella doesn’t cite the part of the Genocide Convention where it says it’s totally cool to commit a genocide if you think someone is trying to make you the victim of one. As South Africa’s application notes, “States parties to the Genocide Convention have ‘expressly confirmed their willingness to consider genocide as a crime under international law which they must prevent and punish independently of the context “of peace” or “of war” in which it takes place.’”
Of course, Abella’s assertion that what Israel is doing in Gaza is merely limited to “defending itself” is debunked in the bulk of South Africa’s report, which argues it has committed at least seven genocidal acts, including: killing Palestinians in large numbers; inflicting conditions of life on Palestinians intended to bring about their destruction as a group; expelling Palestinians from their homes and destroying their residential areas; depriving Palestinians of adequate food, water, medical care, shelter, hygiene, sanitation; destroying Palestinian society; preventing Palestinian births.
“We find ourselves in the perverse situation where a genocidal organization such as Hamas is able to escape legal scrutiny or sanction for committing genocidal acts, while the country that is the intended target of its genocidal intentions is being called upon by the International Court of Justice to defend itself from allegations of genocide.”
The idea that Hamas will escape legal scrutiny or sanction, or has done so in the past, is absurd. The International Criminal Court (ICC) is already investigating Hamas’s actions on October 7, and South Africa’s application mentions the ICC Prosecutor has stated hostage-taking “represents a grave breach to the Geneva Conventions.” Hamas, of course, has also been designated in its entirety as a terrorist organization by six countries (including Canada in 2002) and the whole European Union, meaning that it, as well as those suspected of supporting it abroad, face sanction and legal punishment — unlike the supporters of Israel’s genocidal violence.
I also suspect that any government on the planet would prefer to be in Israel’s situation (facing a legal challenge that may end up meaning little against you in practice even if successful) to that faced by Hamas (the destruction of the land you govern and the people you’re responsible for representing). Hamas has faced far worse consequences than Israel in every way, despite Israel objectively having caused more death and destruction, both now and in the entirety of the existence of Hamas.
“This is an insult to what genocide means, an insult to the perception of the ability of international courts to retain their legitimacy and transcend global politics, and an insult to the memory of all of those on whose behalf the Genocide Convention was created.”
International bodies like the ICJ have been criticized for being undermined by, for example, U.S. dominance preventing it or its allies from facing the punishment that countries in the Global South do. For much of the world, the ICJ taking this application against Israel seriously would likely improve its perception and legitimacy, not undermine it. This is not relevant to the merits of the case, though, nor is Abella’s interpretation.
“History will judge Israel’s response to Hamas’s genocidal attack on Oct. 7 and determine whether the retaliatory measures it took to protect its security were conducted in accordance with the law. That is a legal question that will necessarily balance purpose, cause, effect and context. [...] There will inevitably be accountability – if only the world showed the same obsessive interest in holding other countries to legal account.”
Why have a legal system if “history” can do a good enough job judging people, I guess? This is a bizarre statement from someone who has spent the majority of their life in the legal field, including at the highest possible level in Canada as a Supreme Court judge. The matter before the ICJ is a “legal question” that it is in a place to judge. There is no need to wait for “history.”
South Africa is asking the ICJ to rule that Israel must: stop any actions that breach its obligations under the Genocide Convention; ensure those responsible for these breaches are punished at a national or international level; collect and conserve evidence of the genocide; make reparations to Palestinians; and assure the court and world it won’t do it again. “History,” meanwhile, is not capable of making rulings that can be enforced at an international level in the way that the ICJ, theoretically, at least, can.
Abella’s implication that the real reason Israel is being brought before the ICJ is antisemitism is shameful, especially given that there’s a case against Russia currently at the ICJ on the same charges, but with the support, thus far, of more countries in the world.
“The unbearable tragedy of war lies in the deaths and suffering of innocent civilians, and there can be no doubt that the deaths and suffering of thousands of civilians in Gaza is an unbearable tragedy. That is why the international community developed a sophisticated set of legal instruments after the Second World War: to prevent, minimize, and sanction global conflicts.”
This is an argument for the ICJ hearing South Africa’s application, not against it.
“Seventy-five years after the birth of the Genocide Convention and of the state of Israel, both of which rose from the ashes of Auschwitz, we find genocide and rape and torture in full and flagrant flight in too many parts of the world. Yet the country that finds itself as the designated avatar of genocide is Israel.”
Again, this is all irrelevant to the merits of the case. “Genocide and rape and torture” occurring outside of Gaza does not justify it within Gaza, and any of the state parties to the Genocide Convention (including Israel) are capable of bringing a case against another party if they believe they are guilty of such acts.
Israel is not the only country being accused of genocide before the ICJ, but, as South Africa’s request for provisional measures to be implemented notes, the brutality and ongoing nature of its actions demands the utmost urgency from international bodies.
It’s also worth noting that the West collectively has provided another alleged victim of genocide at the ICJ with billions of dollars in weapons and other ways to support itself. Gaza has had no such luck.
“As a lawyer, I find it shameful; as a Jew, I find it heartbreaking; and as the child of Holocaust survivors, I find it unconscionable.”
An esteemed legal figure is setting aside the law for an article based on identity politics, as if her status as a Jewish person or a child of Holocaust survivors is relevant to the merits of the case.
What Abella’s article shows, and what has become so apparent given the support for the genocide in large segments of Israeli society and parts of Jewish communities abroad, is that being the descendants of genocide survivors unfortunately does not guarantee you’ll be opposed to future ones. “Never again,” to a disturbing number of people, seems to mean, “Never again, to us.”
I look forward to seeing South Africa’s application debated on its legal merits.
 

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Surely employers are allowed to hire / not hire whoever they please, subject to the Human Rights Code?
Blacklisting someone is only ok if they are not on the same page as you politically or sexually. So it is ok to blacklist a maga believer or a trans person it not if they openly support a regime which had been branded terrorist by most western countries.
 
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Blacklisting someone is only ok if they are not on the same page as you politically or sexually. So it is ok to blacklist a maga believer or a trans person it not if they openly support a regime which had been branded terrorist by most western countries.
So why have 38 states passed bills saying its illegal to criticize a foreign country?
 

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An insurgency to oppose colonization. Fan? I always root for the underdog in a asymmetrical war...
BTW: What was this former Palestinian leader's name? I want to look it up...
Nasty piece of shit to the Brits, the Jews, and other Palestinians political figures.

Do you think that "asymmetrical war" allows attacks on civilians and the goal of ethnic cleansing of millions?


The Colonial description and your comments about Israel would mean you think you have no right to be in Canada. As for the violence against indigenous Jews and legal immigrants in the 20's and 30's, a better description would be anti-immigrant hatred.
 
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