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Valcazar

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I think she was already going down. There's a lot of confusion over what speech is condoned and not condoned in universities. Magill could not dig herself out of the hole. Watching the clip, makes you wonder if she even had any idea she was in trouble.
I will give some credit to a few people who have railed about "cancel culture" and free speech actually backing Magill and the others here. I didn't expect them to be consistent on the issue and they were.
 

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Once they let Stefanik equate any slogans with being a call for genocide they were fucked.

My personal view is that if she had said "Yes, it is a violation" then Stefanik would have accused her of antisemitism for not already expelling everyone who participated in any protest that had any kind of pro-peace or pro-palestenian slant.
I don't think most people have a problem with pro-peace or pro-Palestinian rallies.
 
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I don't think most people have a problem with pro-peace or pro-Palestinian rallies.
Neither do I.
But there are absolutely lots of people who do.

There are people who have problems with any rally they disagree with.
 
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Pretending speech is the same as conduct is a trap.
Penn has a low threshold for hate speech in their community. Stefanik simply asked Magill if calling for the genocide of Jews violated Penn's rules or code of conduct. Magill tried to coyly steer towards quibbling about context and the meaning of conduct. There was no trap.

The hot seat that Magill was already in was coming from alumni who were demanding that she do something about calls for the genocide of Jews and other anti-semitic pronouncements on campus. The key here is not what is permitted under the First Amendment it's what Penn permits on campus.
 

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Penn has a low threshold for hate speech in their community. Stefanik simply asked Magill if calling for the genocide of Jews violated Penn's rules or code of conduct. Magill tried to coyly steer towards quibbling about context and the meaning of conduct. There was no trap.

The hot seat that Magill was already in was coming from alumni who were demanding that she do something about calls for the genocide of Jews and other anti-semitic pronouncements on campus. The key here is not what is permitted under the First Amendment it's what Penn permits on campus.
There was a trap.
Stefanik is a supporter of the Great Replacement Theory.

Elise Stefanik, proponent of Great Replacement Theory, is no Foe of Racial Bigotry against Jews or Anyone Else
 

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And correct.



This is the legitimate part of the argument.
Part of a University President's job is to handle bullshit like what happened here, and since the University is still getting shit, an argument for her not being good at her job is legitimate.
Except that 70% of people polled by a fairly reputable journo, Smerconish said that any encouragement of "genocide" on campus is unacceptable. Which is where I come down as well.

You can't have someone arguing "He said all Jews should be killed, but he was just being rhetorical and he was angry at the time." It's just not acceptable. Especially after 7 October.
 

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Pretty interesting take by Cenk
The cancel culture comparison as it relates to Magill is interesting, but this is not exactly the Magill situation. The Penn alumni have told her exactly what needs to be done for the last two months. She has resisted complying with the alumni's wishes.
 
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I'm not really going to weigh in on all of this, but what makes me laugh is when all these "free speech crusaders" suddenly hear things they don't like and want it banned...

Now....I am totally against the anti-semitism and calls for genocide on either side. This whole situation is FUBAR, and it will cost people their lives and careers.
 

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My Statement from today’s press conference: “There is a reason why the testimony at the Education and Workforce Committee garnered one billion views worldwide, and it's because those university presidents made history by putting the most morally bankrupt testimony into the Congressional record. And the world saw it. As a Harvard graduate, I’m reminded of Harvard’s motto: Veritas, which goes back, and it’s older than the founding of our country, it goes back to the 1640s. In addition, the motto was, ‘Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae,’ truth for Christ and the Church. Larry Summers, who was president of Harvard when I was an undergrad, talked about the meaning of Veritas is divine truth, moral truth. Let me be clear, Veritas does not depend on the context. This is a moral failure of Harvard’s leadership and higher education leadership at the highest levels. And the only change they have made to their code of conduct, where they failed to condemn calls for genocide of the Jewish people, the only update to the code of conduct is to allow a plagiarist as the president of
@Harvard
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Mitch, she's grandstanding. Everyone should always cringe when any Congressperson has the microphone at a Congressional hearing.
 
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Tonight, Joe Biden is hosting the White House Hanukkah Party. Following the widespread condemnation from Members of Congress, the White House Press Podium, and the Second Gentleman, President Joe Biden must not remain silent on university presidents and their moral bankruptcy when asked whether calls for genocide against Jews violate their code of conduct. The world is watching and listening closely.
Nope. Every political leader doesn't need to weigh in on the universities' problems.

She needs to sit down now.
 
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Except that 70% of people polled by a fairly reputable journo, Smerconish said that any encouragement of "genocide" on campus is unacceptable. Which is where I come down as well.

You can't have someone arguing "He said all Jews should be killed, but he was just being rhetorical and he was angry at the time." It's just not acceptable. Especially after 7 October.
Sure, if that were actually happening everyone would come down on it, but its not.
Stefiniak thinks 'Intifada' means 'kill all the Jews' and that 'from river to sea' means kill all the Jews.
They don't mean that, and if you say her intent or question is wrong she just brands you antisemitic and gets you fired.

She's a christian zionist, a right wing extremist. She's like the ADL trying to brand Jewish Voices for Peace antisemitic.
 

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Fixed your post for accuracy.
#Nazis is trending today, congrats on the recognition, though you seem to be sharing it with MAGA.

Maybe its time for some new hate crimes or something.
Thanks for completely changing my post. Can you please provide the post # that you copied?

All you know is deceit, lies and hate.

You have no honour and no credibility. You have shown us who you are and we believe you.
 

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Thanks for completely changing my post. Can you please provide the post # that you copied?

All you know is deceit, lies and hate.

You have no honour and no credibility. You have shown us who you are and we believe you.
When that accusation comes from someone supporting apartheid and genocide, it just makes me feel like I've hit the target.
Because every time you go into hasbara troll routine, where you make slanderous accusations you also run away when challenged.

You're as brave as Eve Gerber.

 

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When that accusation comes from someone supporting apartheid and genocide, it just makes me feel like I've hit the target.
Because every time you go into hasbara troll routine, where you make slanderous accusations you also run away when challenged.
Says the guy who has accused dozens and dozens of TERBites of supporting genocide , apartheid etc.

You make enough accusations to be our personal Torquemada.

And talk about running away:
Do you think that the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 by Hamas was a smart move?
Did you think that Israel would stand back and do nothing after Oct. 7 or did you not realize, like everybody else did, that Israel would hit back much harder and that the citizens of Gaza would pay the price? And all the while you justified the attack.
Did the US drop nuclear bombs on Japan in WWII?
 
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