Greta Thunberg accuses Israel of ‘war crimes’ and ‘genocide’

[JohnLarue]

Absolutely nothing about this is self-preservation or survival. What an idiotic proposition to allege that a nuclear weapons state like Israel supported by the worlds most powerful state, is facing an existential threat from Hamas with their AK47s and RPGs.

ask the 1,200 slaughtered jews if they faced an existential threat from Hamas
oh wait, you can't they were raped and exterminated by Hamas..

Absolutely nothing about this is self-preservation or survival.

of course it is when the explicit objective is the elimination of the Israelis state

a nuclear weapons state

that's irrelevant
no one is going to light off a nuke so close to home
well ... except maybe a religious fanatic in a hurry to meet his god
Israel is certainly not going to nuke Gaza

supported by the worlds most powerful state

its a good thing they have been supported by the usa
if not, the regions only democracy would already have been eliminated

who supports the terrorist designated Hamas with money and arms ?
Russia, Iran ? Nice company

I bet Hamas wanted the really heavy artillery pieces , but found them too big to squeeze into the tunnels
& those big guns are a bitch to hide in a civilian's house

 

[Frankfooter]

what other agenda could there be other than eliminating Hamas for the goal of self preservation & survival.

are you going to pretend Hamas does not use the people of Gaza as human shields ?

if you are going to pretend, please lets us know, so you can be placed on ignore

Sure, eliminate a democratically elected government because they committed some war crimes.
Then apply the same to the Israeli government, who have committed way, way more war crimes.

 

[Frankfooter]

when you push propaganda while ignoring the barbaric rape / slaughter of 20,000 innocent civilian's, its a red flag that you are not interested in an intelligent debate.

You're ignoring Palestinians being killed.
Is that because you don't count them as human?

 

[Frankfooter]

Yeah. It is about that time that Greta shut her mouth.....

Sure, try and shut that entire generation up.

 

[mandrill]

It was always about self preservation for Netanyahu, without this war he would be turfed from office and the corruption trial would continue.
Instead he's made zionism into a word associated with genocide and the world is busy with nazi comparisons to his action.

That trial can still take place, Frankie. Unlike any Mid Eastern Muslim state I can think of, Israel is a democracy.

Israel can't survive as an apartheid, genocidal state even after it 'wins' and the US stops it.

You don't think the USA is encouraging Israel to take out HAMAS behind the scenes?

Biden is pro ceasefire publicly for PR reasons. But he - and all the Arab states as well - are encouraging Israel to wipe out HAMAS. HAMAS is a plague. Wiping it out would be a boon to mankind.

 

[mandrill]

You're ignoring Palestinians being killed.
Is that because you don't count them as human?

Frankie, we've been through this with you a couple dozen times already. You're like a 5 year old kid who refuses to learn to use the potty.

 

[mandrill]

DECEMBER 5, 2023

Greta Thunberg accused Israel of committing war crimes and genocide in the Gaza Strip, demanding an end to “inexcusable violence” days after Israeli forces resumed attacks against Palestinian militant group Hamas.

“The horrific murders of Israeli civilians by Hamas cannot in any way legitimise Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” the Swedish activist said in an opinion piece published Tuesday in several outlets. “Genocide is not self-defence, nor is it in any way a proportionate response.”

Thunberg, whom Israel has lambasted for publicly showing her support for the Palestinian cause, pushed back against accusations that her activist movement, Fridays for Future, has “been radicalised” or “become political.”

“We have always been political, because we have always been a movement for justice,” she wrote. “Standing in solidarity with Palestinians and all affected civilians has never been in question for us.”

In the fiery op-ed with other members of the Fridays for Future Sweden group, Thunberg slammed Swedish military cooperation with Israeli arms companies, which she says “makes Sweden complicit in Israel’s occupation and mass killing.”

“Demanding an end to this inexcusable violence is a question of basic humanity, and we call on everyone who can to do so,” Thunberg said. “Silence is complicity. You cannot be neutral in an unfolding genocide.”

Thunberg also pointed to the “sharp increase” in antisemitic and Islamophobic acts across the world, including in Sweden, where far-right Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson recently suggested demolishing mosques and where a group of protesters burned the Israeli flag near a synagogue in Malmö.

“This is unacceptable,” she wrote. “We unreservedly condemn all forms of discrimination, including antisemitism and Islamophobia.”

Last week, Israel renewed its offensive in Gaza after a truce between Israel and Hamas collapsed. The offensive, launched in response to Hamas’ own surprise attack against Israel which killed more than 1,200 people, has killed more than 15,000 Palestinians so far, according to both the Palestinian Authority and Hamas-run Gaza health ministry.

Greta Thunberg accuses Israel of ‘war crimes’ and ‘genocide’

Sweden is also complicit in Israel’s ‘occupation and mass killing,’ climate activist says.

www.politico.eu

Greta just figured out that the "Free Palestine" grift can spin as much money as the "Save the Planet" grift. She's just cashing in.

 

[bluecolt]

All those bombs are really bad for global warming. I might be wrong, but didn't Audubon decry that sort of thing during the American Civil War?

I kinda doubt it. Audubon died in 1851. The Civil War started in 1861.

 

[Frankfooter]

That trial can still take place, Frankie. Unlike any Mid Eastern Muslim state I can think of, Israel is a democracy

No, its not a democracy. You can't be apartheid and democratic at the same time.
It won't be democratic until all Palestinians get full citizenship, equal rights and the vote.

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

You don't think the USA is encouraging Israel to take out HAMAS behind the scenes?

Biden is pro ceasefire publicly for PR reasons. But he - and all the Arab states as well - are encouraging Israel to wipe out HAMAS. HAMAS is a plague. Wiping it out would be a boon to mankind.

Biden is not pro ceasefire. He just declared himself a zionist.
Hamas are an indigenous resistance group that was democratically elected and committed some war crimes.
Much like Netanyahu, except he's a foreigner and leader of a democratically elected government that has committed even more war crimes.

The only difference is race and US backing.
Your position is clearly based on race.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729330344049201516

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankie, we've been through this with you a couple dozen times already. You're like a 5 year old kid who refuses to learn to use the potty.

Well, mandrill, until you learn to shit in the pot and confirm that Palestinians are humans who deserve basic human rights it'll keep going on.
Its not like anyone here says because Netanyahu is a terrorist committing genocide all the citizens of Israel must die.
Yet that's what you're saying and allowing to happen in Gaza.
You are backing the genocide of Palestinians because the crimes of a few.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732083080846885101

 

[y2kmark]

Sure, try and shut that entire generation up.

If they have time, they'll pause to piss on your grave...

 

[mandrill]

Well, mandrill, until you learn to shit in the pot and confirm that Palestinians are humans who deserve basic human rights it'll keep going on.
Its not like anyone here says because Netanyahu is a terrorist committing genocide all the citizens of Israel must die.
Yet that's what you're saying and allowing to happen in Gaza.
You are backing the genocide of Palestinians because the crimes of a few.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732083080846885101

Palestinians are human who deserve basic human rights.

Genocide is not happening in Gaza. If it were happening in Gaza, the death toll and destruction of property would be massively higher. But you can't accept that.

 

[Frankfooter]

If they have time, they'll pause to piss on your grave...

Possibly, they should probably piss on all of our graves.
Its not like we're leaving them the planet in better shape economically, socially or environmentally.

Gaza is just one more example of how we can't stop the really stupid shit from happening.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732671358188859701

 

[richaceg]

This is it...Franky will run with this....we all know Greta's opinion is the shit's....anyone who disagrees.....

 

[richaceg]

Palestinians are human who deserve basic human rights.

Genocide is not happening in Gaza. If it were happening in Gaza, the death toll and destruction of property would be massively higher. But you can't accept that.

IMO for a population of 2M, Israel sucked at executing genocide having less than 20k kills....If you look at it at every angel...Hamas has better kill ratio than Israel having to kill 1200 civilians in a single day....

 

[Frankfooter]

Palestinians are human who deserve basic human rights.

Thank for this statement.
This statement should also lead to saying that apartheid should be ended.

Genocide is not happening in Gaza. If it were happening in Gaza, the death toll and destruction of property would be massively higher. But you can't accept that.

Lets start with property.
More than 50% of all residences have been destroyed by Israel.
Almost every hospital is now out of commission and has no medical supplies or power, they are turning into morgues.
1.8 million people are now homeless.

I don't know how much more massive that has to get before you say its enough to qualify for your personal definition of genocide.
Certainly its higher than Bosnia or Rwanda.

Death toll.
The official death toll is over 17,000 now but there are still 8,000 reported missing and likely buried under rubble.
That's of people who are actually reported to be missing. We have no idea if that is the total because nobody can keep track any more.
Euro Med was keeping a tally but they stopped a week or two ago as with no power and almost no cell and no hospitals working to keep track nobody knows anymore.

The official definition of genocide doesn't rely on a number of dead or ratio killed, it relies on intent and practice.
So bombing the shit out of all of Gaza, blocking all food, water and power and now limiting aid to less than survival rates all contribute to a finding of genocide. You won't even discuss or acknowledge Israel blocking all food and water, which is perhaps the gravest of all their war crimes.
Nor will you talk about the massive amount of disease now starting to take root in with 1.8 people with no clean water/food/ heat or housing combined with no medical care or medicine.

Its genocide.

You can tell yourself its not but its genocide and one day you're going to wake up and have to explain why you backed it.

 

[Frankfooter]

IMO for a population of 2M, Israel sucked at executing genocide having less than 20k kills....If you look at it at every angel...Hamas has better kill ratio than Israel having to kill 1200 civilians in a single day....

Well, the Oct 7 is now down to 1000 and we still don't know how many of those were killed by Israeli apaches.

Israel is killing what, about 500 a day for two months now?
They've killed more kids than any war this century, way more than Putin.

But of course nobody knows the real tally, there are so many buildings knocked down and no way to dig out the bodies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732470860022509874

 

[toguy5252]

There wasn't any find. It was proven as deceptive imagery perception. They lied. And if you don't think this guy is qualified to say things, go look at his LinkedIn profile.

There was ample evidence whether or not you choose to accept it. But you are missing the point in any event. The fact is that the evidence is indisputable that Hamas embeds it launcher etc in hospitals,schools and mosques etc. even if it were the case that there was nothing there, and that would be contrary to the evidence, that is what happens in war when you have an adversary like Hamas.

 

[mandrill]

Lets start with property.
More than 50% of all residences have been destroyed by Israel.
Almost every hospital is now out of commission and has no medical supplies or power, they are turning into morgues.
1.8 million people are now homeless.

From video footage, it appears that most of the cities are still standing.

Frankie, it's a war zone. Power is out. Water is out. That's what happens in a war zone. That's not genocide. That's a battle zone.

Yes, people have a choice to move out and live in tents and shelters or live in a war zone with live ammo being fired. Hopefully, HAMAS is rooted out and killed in a couple of weeks and people can return to their home.

I don't know how much more massive that has to get before you say its enough to qualify for your personal definition of genocide.
Certainly its higher than Bosnia or Rwanda.

Bosnia and Rwanda featured deliberate mass murder of populations. The only similar occurrence in the area we're discussing is 7 October. THAT was a mini genocide.

Death toll.
The official death toll is over 17,000 now but there are still 8,000 reported missing and likely buried under rubble.
That's of people who are actually reported to be missing. We have no idea if that is the total because nobody can keep track any more.
Euro Med was keeping a tally but they stopped a week or two ago as with no power and almost no cell and no hospitals working to keep track nobody knows anymore.

The official definition of genocide doesn't rely on a number of dead or ratio killed, it relies on intent and practice.
So bombing the shit out of all of Gaza, blocking all food, water and power and now limiting aid to less than survival rates all contribute to a finding of genocide. You won't even discuss or acknowledge Israel blocking all food and water, which is perhaps the gravest of all their war crimes.
Nor will you talk about the massive amount of disease now starting to take root in with 1.8 people with no clean water/food/ heat or housing combined with no medical care or medicine.

Its genocide.

You can tell yourself its not but its genocide and one day you're going to wake up and have to explain why you backed it.

Food and water is getting in. There are videos of trucks delivering both. A problem is that HAMAS and other armed groups are seizing and withholding the shipments.

Agreed that feeding and caring for such a large # of civilians in a war zone is a challenging task. HAMAS could simply surrender and return the hostages. They won't do that.

It's not genocide. It's what happens in every urban war zone that has ever taken place.

 

[mandrill]

Well, the Oct 7 is now down to 1000 and we still don't know how many of those were killed by Israeli apaches.

Israel is killing what, about 500 a day for two months now?
They've killed more kids than any war this century, way more than Putin.

But of course nobody knows the real tally, there are so many buildings knocked down and no way to dig out the bodies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732470860022509874

Frankie, you can't have it both ways.

Either Israel has been targeting civilians in their homes, or Israel is making civilians leave their homes. You complain either way.