Thanks for showing your asinine hypocrisy. Obvious considering you kept making excuses for Putin bombing the shit out of Syria.
Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?
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Have you ever talked to indigenous people about how the treaties were created and enforced or how they are implemented today?
And the big difference is unlike many Palestinian factions, I don't know of any indigenous groups here who promote the goal of ethnically cleansing the non-indigenous.
Still trying to pretend that people arrested for violent crimes are comparable to women, children, and the elderly being held hostage for simply being jews?
Every news source has biases. The goal should be to get a variety of news perspectives and developing your own opinion instead of relying solely on social media echo chambers. Anyone who uses X as their primary source for information is a lost cause.
And still trying to claim all of Israeli is illegitimate while you live on stolen indigenous land.
Except they were actually shut down for claiming that Hamas' genocide was a good thing.
Buy yourself a sign and tell that to the crowd protesting against your genocide tomorrow.
Or shut up.
You really don't realize how you've lost all but angry old racists. That is your team now.
Nice to see you look at international law instead of claiming that any dead civilian is a war crime. But then you jump to claiming without evidence that they must be all war crimes.Based on what has been explained and based on what I have read, here is my understanding. Perhaps @DinkleMouse can correct me if I am wrong somewhere:
a) It needs to be determined if there are military installations and infrastructure in said location. For example, a hospital where Hamas fighters along with civilians are getting treatment is not a site that qualifies as being used for military purposes.
b) If there are military installations/infrastructure and an active attack is being launched from there, then that site is fair game, even if civilians are there, because it counts as self-defense.
c) If there are military installations/infrastructure with no active attacks being launched, but has civilians near by, then it needs to be determined if the military value of taking down that target, exceeds the civilian lives lost. For example, in my opinion, taking down a battery of rocket launchers that are currently not active, and killing 500 people in the process, is a war crime as the value obtained does not exceed the lives lost.
d) If there are Hamas fighters and commanders in a civilian location, like a refugee camp, then again, the value obtained by killing those Hamas guys should be measured against the civilian lives lost. I think DM gave an example of Hitler being admitted to a hospital with a 1000 other civilians. If killing Hitler would have ended WW2, then the value of achieving that military objective exceeds the value of the 1000 civilian lives lost, because by ending WW2 may be millions of lives, billions in infrastructure etc., can be saved. Using the example of the Jabalia refugee camp bombing that took down a Hamas commander, it did not meet the requirement for proportionality, as even after that bombing, Hamas is still firing rockets at Israel, so clearly that commander did not matter, so no significant military objective was met or advantage gained, for the many people killed there. Hence, war crime.
Israel fails in almost all of these cases, barring except may be a few, as their reasons for dropping bombs and attacking civilian locations are often times flimsy and instead driven by pure racial hatred and religious zeal disguised as "self-defense" which is quite evident in the rhetoric used by Israeli politicians. Quite simply, they are committing war crimes and I won't be surprised if the ICC investigation finds that to be the case.
Here are some links and excerpts I found:
The principle of proportionality prohibits attacks against military objectives which are “expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated”.
4. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited.
5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:
(a) an attack by bombardment by any methods or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects; and - Israel does this.
(b) an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. - Israel does this.
6. Attacks against the civilian population or civilians by way of reprisals are prohibited. - This happens in the West Bank, and infact is happening now. I also suspects it happens in Gaza, because of the rhetoric used by Israeli politicians.
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations. - Hamas possibly does this.
8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57 . -
Proportionality | How does law protect in war? - Online casebook
casebook.icrc.org
For example, the recent strike on a school has been confirmed by Palestinian sources as killing a Hamas commander and other fighters. That is not a war crime. And I would say the exact same thing If Hamas attacked the home of an IDF general and in the process killed civilians.
IDF says it killed Hamas commander who held some 1,000 Gazans hostage at hospital
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www.timesofisrael.com
They could have struck him while hiding in a hospital but they felt he civilian death toll would be too high.
Plenty of video footage coming out of weaponry, rocket launchers, and tunnels located in or immediately beside protected sites.
p.s. What you call 'reprisals' in the West Bank have been arrest raids for specific suspects that have been met with military opposition.
You know basketcase, even really old people like you can get past your hatred.
I won't shut up.
You claim Israel shouldn't exist because you consider it a colonial state yet you happily live in Canada which is undoubtably a colonial state. racist hypocrisy at it's best.
My hatred of Hamas?
Sorry but your racism and conspiracy theories about Jews is too well documented for you to be accusing others of hatred.
Illegal occupationNice to see you look at international law instead of claiming that any dead civilian is a war crime. But then you jump to claiming without evidence that they must be all war crimes.
For example, the recent strike on a school has been confirmed by Palestinian sources as killing a Hamas commander and other fighters. That is not a war crime. And I would say the exact same thing If Hamas attacked the home of an IDF general and in the process killed civilians.
.IDF says it killed Hamas commander who held some 1,000 Gazans hostage at hospital
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They could have struck him while hiding in a hospital but they felt he civilian death toll would be too high.
Plenty of video footage coming out of weaponry, rocket launchers, and tunnels located in or immediately beside protected sites.
p.s. What you call 'reprisals' in the West Bank have been arrest raids for specific suspects that have been met with military opposition.
Illegal settlements
Illegal blockade
Apartheid
Genocide.
Those are all war crimes Israel is guilty of and you're stuck trying to defend bombing schools and hospitals and think you're doing well.
I dare you to watch this video of the Al Shifa hospital being hit with an American RX9 missile, a missile that detaches and fires blades designed to slaughter people, like the person in this video whose leg was cut off.
Until you watch and try to justify this war crime all you're doing is pissing into the wind and trying to plead Israel is innocent of jaywalking in the middle of genocide.
Your hatred of Palestinians.
Your continual support of killing each and every one.
Your refusal to call out Israel for killing 6,000 children.
Your support of genocide.
Only someone incredibly racist and hate filled could possibly justify killing so many children.
Bullshit.
I call for a ceasefire.
Investigate all and charge them as warranted.
End the occupation
End apartheid
Lesser cases if terrorism? Hamas has repeatedly carried suicide bombings for decades....targeting public places with no known enemy military targets...just plain civilians... but it's ok right because hamas is fighting for the Palestinian cause....
There was a ceasefire and hamas ended it...and they are still firing rockets...should IDF let them keep firing rockets?Bullshit.
I call for a ceasefire.
Investigate all and charge them as warranted.
End the occupation
End apartheid
Do I have to post the chart that shows Israel kills 10x the number of Palestinians and has for decades yet again, rich?
Israel kills more civilians, they target and kill more civilians. That's more terrorism than Hamas. For years.
Before Oct 7
And now, killing civliians.
