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Kautilya said:
Christians kill a lot more people. Did you forget the 1M killed in Iraq. Or how about Vietnam? Or how about WW2? Christianity and Judaism are just as toxic.

If I convert to Judaism today for example, I still wont be considered a Jew. Because my mom is not Jewish. However, if I convert to Islam, I will be Muslim from day 1. So am wondering, which is the cult?

So yes, your generalized stereotyping of Islam, is racist.
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Islam isn't racist and there are levels to it...there are moderate islam who aren't really religous and welcome western culture....
there are extremists who will force Sharia Law....which doesn't welcome western culture...
You really calling Judaism a "cult" just to prove Islam is a great religion? WTF?
 
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richaceg said:
Islam isn't racist and there are levels to it...there are moderate islam who aren't really religous and welcome western culture....
there are extremists who will force Sharia Law....which doesn't welcome western culture...
You really calling Judaism a "cult" just to prove Islam is a great religion? WTF?
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Yeah, he's all over the place with his opinions.
He also uses the race-card way too often which leads me to believe he might be a racist himself
 
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Kautilya said:
Okay. Islamaphobic then. Stop being Islamaphobic
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Its spelled Islamophobic.
And yes, I dont hide the fact I'm very much against that religion.
The day Judaism commits terrorist attacks in North-America or Europe is the day I will also become anti Judaism
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You are also black right? Well, guess what. Many in Israel won't consider you Jewish even if your mom was Jewish.
Ask the Ethiopian Jews in Israel and the shit they go through
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And I'm not black btw. Jeezus Christ you're confused :D
 
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Kautilya said:
Well it is a fact, what I said. If you convert to Judaism today, you won't be considered Jewish because your mom isn't. They will tell you that you are not a "genetic Jew". Is that not racist and cult like? S


Okay. Islamaphobic then. Stop being Islamaphobic.
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What you just described doesn't equate Judaism as a cult...I'm not islamophobic...i don't know what makes you think I am...
 
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Here's the thing. I'm sure we can all agree that Hamas is a terror organization that does not give a flying fuck about the Palestinian people they claim to represent. Why do I say this?
They knew that what ever they did on October 7th (which, according to some reports was more "successful" than they hoped for), Israel would respond by punishing Gaza. Now, Hamas apparently thought they would only kill a few soldiers, and all their militants would likely die...but, instead, they caught Israel flatfooted and massacred over a thousand and took prisoners. But, again....they must have known Israel would respond with force, with the majority of victims being the civilians who live above the tunnels where the terrorists live in safety. And, of course Hamas build its headquarters and important bases under civilian places like hospitals....

Now....I totally support Israel going into Gaza and killing as many of Hamas as possible. They did something that NOBODY should support. It would have been one thing if they only took out the military targets (which would still see a brutal response), but the fact that they murdered, tortured and raped so many civilians...then took hostages....

All that being said....I think we can all also agree that Israel cannot target civilians. And...I don't think they purposefully have done so. But, at the same time...they don't really seem to care about the mounting death toll.

Now, I don't agree with everything Tlaib said. I think Israel has the right to exist. I am not anti-zionist, but I think we should be able to criticize Israel. And, saying Palestinians are facing a form of apartheid is correct.

The bottom line here...its a fucking mess. How does the cycle of violence end? Even if Israel killed every last militant in Hamas...a new group would likely form from the survivors of this war. As I've said earlier in this thread, the solution is....well.. .fuck, nobody seems to know.

But, lambasting and punishing people who are calling out the massacre of civilians on either side....it just feels wrong.
 
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Kautilya said:
So your measure of becoming anti any religion, is for them to commit a terror attack against white people
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No, my measure of becoming anti any religion is for them to commit a terror attack on what I consider is my home soil.
Since I have dual citizenship (EU and Canada) any religion who commits multiple terror attacks on my 2 home continents will make me hate them.

Have a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe
 
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Here's the thing. I'm sure we can all agree that Hamas is a terror organization that does not give a flying fuck about the Palestinian people they claim to represent. Why do I say this?
They knew that what ever they did on October 7th (which, according to some reports was more "successful" than they hoped for), Israel would respond by punishing Gaza. Now, Hamas apparently thought they would only kill a few soldiers, and all their militants would likely die...but, instead, they caught Israel flatfooted and massacred over a thousand and took prisoners. But, again....they must have known Israel would respond with force, with the majority of victims being the civilians who live above the tunnels where the terrorists live in safety. And, of course Hamas build its headquarters and important bases under civilian places like hospitals....

Now....I totally support Israel going into Gaza and killing as many of Hamas as possible. They did something that NOBODY should support. It would have been one thing if they only took out the military targets (which would still see a brutal response), but the fact that they murdered, tortured and raped so many civilians...then took hostages....

All that being said....I think we can all also agree that Israel cannot target civilians. And...I don't think they purposefully have done so. But, at the same time...they don't really seem to care about the mounting death toll.

Now, I don't agree with everything Tlaib said. I think Israel has the right to exist. I am not anti-zionist, but I think we should be able to criticize Israel. And, saying Palestinians are facing a form of apartheid is correct.

The bottom line here...its a fucking mess. How does the cycle of violence end? Even if Israel killed every last militant in Hamas...a new group would likely form from the survivors of this war. As I've said earlier in this thread, the solution is....well.. .fuck, nobody seems to know.

But, lambasting and punishing people who are calling out the massacre of civilians on either side....it just feels wrong.
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I have said it time and again, Hamas created the problem for the Palestinian people...the moment they took the win as the ruling party...democracy was out the door...no more elections....that sounds like out of Vlad Putins...playbook...Some people have the audacity to say Hamas & Israel are both "terrorists"...(franky does)....Hamas was responsible for the multiple suicide bombings in Israel targeting civilians...and people still think what they did is justified...If we're now in the stance that October 7 was justified....We can no longer call Hamas terrorists...from here on out we no longer call out their past actions (suicide bombings etc etc) and future actions (next round of violence) I would bet my house on it...we're back to justifying everything because of "75 years of oppression" (BS if you ask me)...it creates a very dangerous precedent....
 
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Kautilya said:
They don't. They couldn't give a flying fuck about the Palestinians. The heritage minister the other day called for nuking Gaza. They call Palestinians barbaric, but they sit on hills and watch and cheer the Israeli air strikes. Watch below:




Most of the support here in the west for Israel, is either because someone is Jewish, or because they are racist, or because they want to be a "good white person" and support the Jews, and not risk being called antisemitic.
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I'm not jewish, I'm not white...I have muslim friends...I have no Jewish friends...I'm asian...
 
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Kautilya said:
1. Hamas created what problem? The current Israeli response? Yes. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict? No.
2. And so WHAT if Hamas created the problem of the current response by Israel? Israel has a choice not to carpet bomb. So the decision to carpet bomb, is solely theirs.
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1.Hamas made it worst..
2. Israel didn't carpet bomb Gaza...Air strikes isn't carpet bombing...so yeah...Israel decided not to carpet bomb Gaza because of civilians...
 
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Kautilya said:
You should be mad at terrorism wherever it happens, against whomever it happens. Similarly you should be mad at oppression wherever it happens, against whomever it happens.

Your priority should be people in general, and not just a specific people. If it is a specific people, then it is racist.
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You throw the word racist around way too much, dude.

Also coming from an anti-semite it doesnt mean much
 
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Kautilya said:
1. Hamas created what problem? The current Israeli response? Yes. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict? No.
2. And so WHAT if Hamas created the problem of the current response by Israel? Israel has a choice not to carpet bomb. So the decision to carpet bomb, is solely theirs.
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the fact that you keep perpetuating the lie of carpet bombing may help to keep the Jew haters riled up but that does no make it true.

the conditions in Gaza a solely the result of Hamas diverting resources and never repudiating their avowed goal of eliminating Israel.
 
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