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JohnLarue

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There is about 3 trillion tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere, a change of 5 billion tonnes would be a change of ~0.16% or ~0.6ppm. That graph is 525 pixels in height a change of 5 billion tonnes would be 0.0016*525px = 0.84 pixels.

then how much of a reduction in emissions is required to change the trajectory of co2 concentration?

if the reduction in emissions from
  1. the devastating 2008 recession or
  2. the devastating 2020 lockdowns
do not change the trajectory of the co2 concentration

just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
 

Frankfooter

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you once again miss the big picture

if a devastating recession and global lockdown each results in only a 5% reduction in emissions and no distinguishable change in the upwards trajectory of co2 concentration, then

Q1. just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?



driving more emissions reductions in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession will be economically disastrous and kill a lot of people


Q2 how many people do you Frankfooter expect to kill pushing your net-aero insanity ?? rough estimates in the millions will suffice

answer these questions or say nothing



and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare

as pointed out, the other fact you choose to ignore
if a 5% reduction in emissions produces no distinguishable change in the upwards trajectory of co2 concentration, then atmospheric co2 concentration is not very sensitive to changes in human emissions

again
you do not think carefully about what you post
Strick adherence to your ideology is not a substitute for critical thinking

you are the most despicable, dis-honest person on this board
Back to the insults.
How do you justify calling me dishonest when you won't admit that are ever wrong?
Your claim represents the shoddy thinking of your arguments here.

You refuse to consider that economic damage from climate change is already costing more than mitigation.
You won't accept that renewables are now cheaper and have the added bonus of taking money away from oil despots.
You won't and can't debate the science so you find these nit picky little arguments that you think show how smart you are but always fall apart when you look closely.

Every single time.

 

Frankfooter

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then how much of a reduction in emissions is required to change the trajectory of co2 concentration?

if the reduction in emissions from
  1. the devastating 2008 recession or
  2. the devastating 2020 lockdowns
do not change the trajectory of the co2 concentration

just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
Are you so out of touch that you don't know what 'net zero' is, what the timeline is and how much it will cost or save us?
.
 

JohnLarue

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Back to the insults.
How do you justify calling me dishonest when you won't admit that are ever wrong?
I have and always will admit when i make an error

sadly your ideology prevents you from from being honest


Your claim represents the shoddy thinking of your arguments here.
you are a high school drop out with an evil agenda
you label what you do not understand as shoddy
you need to take your mittens off to count to 10
you need to take your socks off to count to 20
and sadly you need to drop your pants to count to 21

You refuse to consider that economic damage from climate change is already costing more than mitigation.
You won't accept that renewables are now cheaper and have the added bonus of taking money away from oil despots.
You won't and can't debate the science so you find these nit picky little arguments that you think show how smart you are but always fall apart when you look closely.

Every single time.

more parroting of climate change propaganda from you.
time to wake up , the propaganda effort has run out of steam as more and more predictions fail and more and more people become skeptical of the climate charlatans

and you still refuse to answer the question put to you


Just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
 
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Frankfooter

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I have and always will admit when i make an error

sadly your ideology prevents you from from being honest



you are a high school drop out with an evil agenda
you label what you do not understand as shoddy
you need to take your mittens off to count to 10
you need to take your socks off to count to 20
and sadly you need to drop your pants to count to 21




more parroting of climate change propaganda from you.
time to wake up , the propaganda effort has run out of steam as more and more predictions fail and more and more people become skeptical of the climate charlatans

and you still refuse to answer the question put to you

ust how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
Can you stop acting like a child and just try to discuss the subject?
Why do you think you know more than the scientists at NASA and IPCC?
 

JohnLarue

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Are you so out of touch that you don't know what 'net zero' is, what the timeline is and how much it will cost or save us?
.

and you are so out of touch you fail to realize it is nature driving the increases in co2 concentration
always has been, always will be

2088 & 2020 prove this

admitting this would be a violation of your strict adherence to a failed ideology

again answer the simple question put to you

Just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
 
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JohnLarue

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Can you stop acting like a child and just try to discuss the subject?
Why do you think you know more than the scientists at NASA and IPCC?
again answer the simple question put to you

Just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
 

JohnLarue

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Larue, you didn't even read the full page which answers your question about why CO2 changes seasonally. Its due to photosynthesis and its changes over the year.
my god you are stunned
post 981

you do not pay attention


the fine detail up/ down pattern is every year (not just 2008 or just 2020) and is very likely due the growth / decomposition of plants spring and fall in the northern hemisphere which has far more land mass
this was not a question
it was a statement of fact

note the first line
you do not pay attention
likely one of the root causes for your poor comprehension and poor academic record
 

JohnLarue

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Are you so out of touch that you don't know what 'net zero' is, what the timeline is and how much it will cost or save us?

there is very little value in learning the fine detail of an unrealistic unachievable fantasy

30 years and billions of wasted taxpayer money has been poured into the renewable money pit
and fossil fuel use has declined from 82% to 81% of global consumption, while co2 concentration marches upward ( nature is driving this)

similarly there is 50 years of fail climate catastrophe predictions

time to wake up and live in the real world
& quit trying to intentionally mislead others, that is despicable
 

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and you are so out of touch you fail to realize it is nature driving the increases in co2 concentration
always has been, always will be
But that's not what your chart showed at all.
It showed that human emissions are totally driving CO2 levels.

How can you misread a chart so totally and think you know what you're talking about?
 

Frankfooter

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similarly there is 50 years of fail climate catastrophe predictions
The models have been incredibly accurate, you're totally bananas.
I challenge you to find a projection from someone you think knows what they are talking about that is more accurate than this.

 

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then how much of a reduction in emissions is required to change the trajectory of co2 concentration?

if the reduction in emissions from
  1. the devastating 2008 recession or
  2. the devastating 2020 lockdowns
do not change the trajectory of the co2 concentration

just how much more emission reduction in excess of a full global lock down or a full global recession do you expect to drive with your foolish and idiotic propaganda ?

did you expect a 20%, 30%, 40% or 50% economic contraction is required to move the neddle on the trajectory of the co2 concentration?

and please do not insult us by claiming EVs, renewables, carbon taxes , windmills and solar panels are a realistic pathway to the comical net zero fantasy.
the net zero lie has been laid bare


how many people do you expect to kill by repeating the failed experiment ?

billions or just hundreds of millions ?
I just did math, I did not do propaganda. You are doing propaganda.

I do not know what you mean by "change the trajectory of CO2 concentration", can you give me a number in change of CO2 PPM and I will give you the amount of annual CO2 that needs to be reduced.

As for the rest of your post, they are just ramblings of an incoherent mind.
 
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'Greenies' Are All About The Green
SUNDAY, NOV 05, 2023 - 09:50 AM
Authored by James Rickards via DailyReckoning.com,
There’s a lot going on in the world right now that bears close monitoring. But we can’t forget about the elites’ war on our freedoms...



You’ve no doubt heard about the “Green New Deal” - a set of government proposals designed to fight the “climate change crisis.”

If enacted, these laws would impose radical changes on nearly every facet of society, costing companies billions of dollars while diminishing our standard of living.

But anyone who examines the scientific facts instead of the pseudo-science and phony models knows that these government-mandated sacrifices are in vain.

The fact is, there is no climate crisis, the ”renewable energy” being pushed on us can’t replace fossil fuels and the policymakers who aren’t willfully ignorant of these facts have something much more devious in mind.

Today you’ll learn exactly why the Green New Deal is actually a Green New Scam, as well as how to position your portfolio for what’s really going on.

The Green New Deal was first proposed by Howie Hawkins of the Green Party, who ran for governor of New York in 2010.

In its current form, it’s just a list of goals for the U.S. government to strive for.

Of course, the centerpiece is to make the country completely reliant on renewable energy sources. But it also covers social concerns like universal employment and health care.

There aren’t many specifics in the proposal, however — most notably, how to pay for any of it.

Still, that hasn’t stopped bits and pieces of the Green New Deal from popping up in various legislation.

For example, the Inflation Reduction Act had nothing to do with stopping inflation, but did devote $1 trillion for subsidies on electric vehicles, solar panels and offshore windmill farms.

And it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing full-blown mandates that will hamstring businesses and reduce our standard of living.

These extreme measures are touted as the only way to end the climate change crisis. But in reality, there is no crisis.

Here’s just a sample of the dire predictions that get a lot of media attention — regardless of what the data says is actually happening.

Surging sea levels will inundate the coasts.

This is false. Sea levels have been rising at the same pace for 100 years, unaffected by climate change or human activity.
The rate of increase is about 7 inches per 100 years — barely enough to get your feet wet in 2121.
Hurricanes are becoming more powerful and more frequent.

This is false. The 2014 U.S. National Climate Assessment said, “There has been no significant trend in the global number of tropical cyclones nor has there been any trend identified in the number of U.S. land-falling hurricanes.”
There is evidence that property damage from hurricanes is increasing. Does this mean hurricanes are getting stronger? Not at all.
It just means that rich owners with subsidized insurance are building mansions on sandbars where they don’t belong. That’s not climate change. It’s stupidity.
Tornadoes are more powerful and more frequent.

This is false. The strength of a tornado can be measured using what’s called the Enhanced Fujita (EF) Scale. The scale starts at EF0 and goes up to EF5.
According to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration records, between 1954 and 2014, the number of EF1 or greater tornadoes has been fairly consistent per year, with spikes in 1973, 1982, 2008 and 2011.
The number of tornadoes measured as EF3 or greater has been steady, too, except for spikes in 1957, 1965, 1973 and 2011.
To date, no correlation has been shown between tornado strength and CO2 emissions.
Wildfires are destroying larger areas more frequently than ever before.

This is false. Satellite data from NASA reveals that the global area burned annually by fires from 1998–2015 has declined by about 25%.
So much for the fear.
Scientists who aren’t looking to needlessly alarm anyone generally agree that slight global warming is detectable — but it’s not a crisis and won’t be in the foreseeable future.

But the alarmists are pushing for an immediate end to all use of fossil fuels — even though the “renewable” energy sources they tout simply aren’t ready for prime time.

Below, I show you why the Green New Scam isn’t about the climate. Also, why fossil fuels aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. Read on.

It’s Not About Climate
Protecting yourself from the rhetoric and harmful policies of the Green New Scam starts by understanding the truth behind their hysterical claims:

1. Yes, the climate is changing.
It always has and it always will. But it’s a slow process and quite complex. What’s needed is observation and experimentation, not hysteria.
2. Yes, carbon emissions are increasing.
But most of that increase occurred before significant consumption of oil and gas, and most of the increase is from natural causes.
So humans are contributing to carbon emissions. However, they are not the sole source and the impact on total warming is unclear.

3. Yes, sea levels are rising.
But they have been rising for 100 years at about the same pace — about 7 inches per century. That’s far from an existential threat, and there’s no evidence it’s being caused by global warming.
But the reality is there’s a lot of money to be made by perpetuating the Green New Scam. Scientists who espouse alarmist positions on climate change are in line for large research grants from activist foundations and NGOs.

Executives who take alarmist positions may find their stock prices boosted by institutions making environmental, social and governance (ESG) investments. Wealth advisers who promote ESG funds profit from management fees and performance fees as the money rolls in.

The Biden administration wants to promote the widespread adoption of electric vehicles (EVs).

The U.S. government has spent billions of dollars to support EVs, with subsidies to companies producing them and tax breaks for people driving them. But EVs are not an efficient solution to carbon emissions, either.

For one thing, they need to be charged — and that electricity comes from an energy grid that is still largely powered by oil, natural gas and coal. Just look at China, which has the largest potential market for EVs.

Over 50% of China’s domestic energy comes from coal-fired plants. China is adding to their coal burning capacity continually. So the “clean” EV is really just a battery-powered intermediary for coal-generated electricity.

The other major problem with EVs is batteries. There is nothing environmentally friendly about making or disposing of these expensive power sources. They limit a vehicle’s range, and recharging them isn’t nearly as fast as filling up your gas-powered car at a nearby station.

Yet policymakers still push the “climate crisis” narrative — jeopardizing our entire standard of living by insisting we switch to inferior power sources and modes of transportation.

Meanwhile, academics who caution that the climate threat is overblown may be denied tenure or publication and be subject to cancel culture disparagement. Media anchors who promote climate alarmism can improve ratings. Websites that feature climate catastrophe stories get clicks.

Politicians can get votes by appearing to “do something” about a supposed existential threat, while central bankers want to claim that climate is a threat because it’s a basis for garnering even more power. They can comb through a bank’s books to see if they are lending to “bad” industries such as oil and gas or to “good” industries such as solar panel manufacturers.

At that point, the bankers themselves will fall into line in order to appease their regulators.

And the rest of the world sees an opportunity to guilt wealthier countries into handing over truckloads of cash.

In November 2022, the United Nations held its regular climate change conference — known as COP27 — at the resort town of Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt.


What’s powering all these lights? (Source: Expedia.com)

Most of the attendees arrived in private planes and drove to and fro in gas-powered vehicles. So clearly the goal wasn’t to curb carbon emissions. But the real scam was revealed when the parties agreed to transfer over $230 billion to poorer countries as “climate reparations.”
In other words, wealthy nations are handing over money because of the damage they’ve supposedly done. Yet China — one of the largest polluters in the world — will not be contributing to the fund.
And thus the true motive is revealed — to transfer wealth from rich western nations to poor nations all over the world. That’s the dirty little secret behind the climate alarmist agenda.
Some of these alarmists may be “true believers” who’ve deluded themselves into thinking the world needs saving. In truth, they are just repeating things they’ve heard from other media or political leaders without independent inquiry or investigation.
For the rest of the alarmists, however, something much more nefarious is at play. It’s not about saving the planet. It’s about transferring your tax dollars to kleptocrats abroad. It’s about imposing world taxation, world governance and ultimately the demise of democracy and individual autonomy.
What better way to impose global control than to rely on a global catastrophe, even an invented catastrophe?
But far from the hysterical claims of climate alarmists, there is no crisis. Climate change will continue, but on its own will have almost no economic costs. Hurricanes, tornados, wildfires and droughts will continue as they have in the past, unaffected by climate change or even global warming.
Climate change may even create economic benefits as certain regions become more productive in terms of agricultural output due to longer, warmer growing seasons.
The real danger is from policymakers looking to enrich themselves while reducing the standard of living for everyone else. We’ll also see plenty of political posturing and virtue signaling.
The Biden administration has already shut down pipeline projects and has said it won’t support further oil and gas exploration. Expect to hear more about global carbon taxes and caps on carbon emissions as well.
In the end, however, these schemes will fail in the face of reality. All you have to do to see through the deception of the Green New Scam is to follow the evidence. Then you need an action plan.
Energy demands will grow as developed economies continue to grow in order to support aging populations. Developing economies will grow even faster to support a huge youth cohort looking for at least a middle-income lifestyle.
Renewable energy sources like solar and wind will be part of that mix, as will hydropower and geothermal, where available. Nuclear reactors are another option, though objections to nuclear power are even more strident than the objections to hydroelectric.
In the end, however, it will become clear to everyone that oil and gas are not going away. They are too important, have too many embedded structural advantages and have huge economies of scale.
Once politicians and the media become more aware of the real science of climate change, they will distance themselves from the false science of the climate alarmists. Then the oil and gas industries will regain their footing.
So the smart thing to do is invest in a mixture of companies developing carbon-based and renewable energy sources. And where I see the most opportunity is in the traditional hydrocarbon-based sectors of the market.
Rumors of the demise of fossil fuels are greatly exaggerated. Invest accordingly.
 
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The models have been incredibly accurate, you're totally bananas.
I challenge you to find a projection from someone you think knows what they are talking about that is more accurate than this.

Your climate model is inaccurate !


Two Princeton, MIT Scientists Say EPA Climate Regulations Based On A 'Hoax'


MONDAY, AUG 14, 2023 - 09:40 PM
Authored by Kevin Stocklin via The Epoch Times ,
Two prominent climate scientists have taken on the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) new rules to cut CO2 emissions in electricity generation, arguing in testimony that the regulations “will be disastrous for the country, for no scientifically justifiable reason.”



Citing extensive data to support their case, William Happer, professor emeritus in physics at Princeton University, and Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), argued that the claims used by the EPA to justify the new regulations are not based on scientific facts but rather political opinions and speculative models that have consistently proven to be wrong.

The unscientific method of analysis, relying on consensus, peer review, government opinion, models that do not work, cherry-picking data and omitting voluminous contradictory data, is commonly employed in these studies and by the EPA in the Proposed Rule,” Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen stated. “None of the studies provides scientific knowledge, and thus none provides any scientific support for the Proposed Rule.”

All of the models that predict catastrophic global warming fail the key test of the scientific method: they grossly overpredict the warming versus actual data,” they stated. “The scientific method proves there is no risk that fossil fuels and carbon dioxide will cause catastrophic warming and extreme weather.”

Climate models like the ones that the EPA is using have been consistently wrong for decades in predicting actual outcomes, Mr. Happer told The Epoch Times. He presented the table below to the EPA to illustrate his point.


Modeled climate predictions (average shown by red line) versus actual observations (source: J.R. Christy, Univ. of Alabama; KNMI Climate Explorer)


“That was already an embarrassment in the ‘90s, when I was director of energy research in the U.S. Department of Energy,” he said. “I was funding a lot of this work, and I knew very well then that the models were overpredicting the warming by a huge amount.”

He and his colleague argued that the EPA has grossly overstated the harm from CO2 emissions while ignoring the benefits of CO2 to life on Earth.

Many who have fought against EPA climate regulations have done so by arguing what is called the “major questions doctrine,” that the EPA does not have the authority to invent regulations that have such an enormous impact on Americans without clear direction from Congress. Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen, however, have taken a different tack, arguing that the EPA regulations fail the “State Farm” test because they are “arbitrary and capricious.”

“Time and again, courts have applied ‘State Farm’s’ principles to invalidate agency rules where the agency failed to consider an important aspect of the problem, or cherry-picked data to support a pre-ordained conclusion,” they stated. The case they referred to is the 2003 case of State Farm v. Campell (pdf), in which the Supreme Court argued that “a State can have no legitimate interest in deliberately making the law so arbitrary that citizens will be unable to avoid punishment based solely upon bias or whim.”

According to Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen’s testimony, “600 million years of CO2 and temperature data contradict the theory that high levels of CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming.”

They present CO2 and temperature data indicating much higher levels of both CO2 and temperatures than today, with little correlation between the two. They also argue that current CO2 levels are historically at a low point.


This chart shows CO2 levels (blue) and temperatures (red) over time, indicating little correlation and current levels of both at historic lows. (Source: Analysis of the Temperature Oscillations in Geological Eras by Dr. C. R. Scotese; Earth's Climate: Past and Future by Mark Peganini; Marked Decline in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Concentrations During the Paleocene, Science magazine vol. 309.)


“The often highly emphasized 140 [parts per million] increase in CO2 since the beginning of the Industrial Age is trivial compared to CO2 changes over the geological history of life on Earth,” they stated.

In addition, the scientists' testimony to the EPA stated that the agency’s emissions rules fail to consider the fact that CO2 and fossil fuels are essential to life on earth, particularly human life.

“Increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere create more food for people worldwide, including more food for people in drought-stricken areas,” they stated. “Increases in carbon dioxide over the past two centuries since the Industrial Revolution, from about 280 parts per million to about 420 ppm, caused an approximate 20 percent increase in the food available to people worldwide, as well as increased greening of the planet and a benign warming in temperature.”


Synthetic fertilizers (dotted line) have increased crop yields dramatically since their introduction. (Source: crop yields from USDA; fertilizer usage from Food Agriculture Organization).

More CO2 in the atmosphere leads to more plant growth and higher farming yields, they argued. In addition, synthetic fertilizers, which are derivatives of natural gas, are responsible for nearly half the world’s food production today. “Net zero” goals would reduce CO2 emissions by more than 40 gigatons per year, reducing the food supply proportionally, they said.

The world's population is increasingly dependent on synthetic fertilizers, a derivative of fossil fuels. (Source: ourworldindata.org)

In addition to disregarding the benefits of CO2, they stated, the EPA’s emission rules and the global warming narrative that has been used to justify them are based on flawed data.

In addition to teaching physics at Princeton, Mr. Happer’s decades of work in physics has focused on atmospheric radiation and atmospheric turbulence, and his inventions have been used by astronomers and in national defense.

“Radiation in the atmosphere is my specialty,” Mr. Happer said, “and I know more about it than, I would guess, any climate scientists.”

His expertise, he said, “involves much of the same physics that’s involved in climate, and none of it is very alarming.”

The global warming narrative argues that as people burn fossil fuels, they emit higher concentrations of carbon dioxide into the earth’s atmosphere, which absorbs sunlight and creates a “greenhouse effect,” trapping the sun’s radiation and warming the earth.

But one aspect of CO2 emissions that global warming models fail to take into account, Mr. Happer said, is a phenomenon called “saturation,” or the diminishing effect of CO2 in the atmosphere at higher concentrations.

“At the current concentrations of CO2, around 400 parts per million, it decreases the radiation to space by about 30 percent, compared to what you would have if you took it all away,” Mr. Happer said. “So that’s enough to cause quite a bit of warming of the earth, and thank God for that; it helps make the earth habitable, along with the effects of water vapor and clouds.”

“But if you could double the amount of CO2 from 400 to 800, and that will take a long time, the amount that you decrease radiation to space is only one percent,” Mr. Happer said. “Very few people realize how hard it is for additional carbon dioxide to make a difference to the radiation to space. That’s what’s called saturation, and it’s been well known for a century.”


The "greenhouse effect" of additional CO2 does not increase in proportion to the amount of CO2 added (source: William Happer).


In addition to scientific arguments about why global warming is overblown, the scientists also cite data showing large discrepancies between global warming models and actual observations. In some cases, Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen say, data has been disingenuously manipulated to fit the climate-change narrative.

“The most striking example of that is the temperature record,” Mr. Happer said. “If you look at the temperature records that were published 20 years ago, they showed very clearly that in the United States by far the warmest years we had were during the mid-1930s.

“If you look at the data today, that is no longer true,”
he said. “People in charge of that data, or what the public sees, have gradually reduced the temperatures of the ‘30s, then increased the temperature of more recent measurements.”

An example of misleading data used by the EPA as proof of global warming is shown in the chart below, Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen claimed.


EPA data shows an increasing ratio of daily record high-to-low temperatures in order to indicate rising global temperatures (Source: NOAA/NCEI).


“This chart does not actually show ‘daily temperatures,’” they state. “Instead it show a ‘ratio’ of daily record highs to lows - a number that appears designed to create the impression that temperatures are steadily rising.”

By contrast, the scientists presented the following table, which indicates significantly higher temperatures in the 1930s versus today.


This data indicates that heat waves were more severe in the 1930s than today. (Source: EPA).


The Scientific ‘Consensus’ for Climate Change
Proponents of the global warming narrative often state that it is “settled science” and that nearly all scientists agree that global warming is real and the result of human activity.

According to an official NASA statement, “the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists—97 percent—agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world.”

A report by Cornell University states that “more than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree that climate change is mainly caused by humans, according to a new survey of 88,125 climate-related studies.”

But Mr. Happer argues that consensus is not science
, citing a lecture on the scientific method by renowned physicist Richard Feynman, who said, “if it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong.”

“Science has never been made by consensus,” Mr. Happer said. “The way you decide something is true in science is you compare it with experiment or observations.

“It doesn’t matter if there’s a consensus; it doesn’t matter if a Nobel Prize winner says it’s true, if it disagrees with observations, it’s wrong,” he said. “And that’s the situation with climate models. They are clearly wrong because they don’t agree with observations.”

The National Library of Medicine cites a speech by physician and author Michael Crichton at the California Institute of Technology in 2003 in which he said, “consensus is the business of politics.”

“Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world,” Dr. Crichton said. “In science, consensus is irrelevant. What are relevant are reproducible results.”

The initial predictions of climate disasters had New York flooded by now, no ice left at the North Pole, England would be like Siberia by now,” Mr. Happer said. “Nothing that they predicted actually came true. You have to do something to keep the money coming in, so they changed ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change.’”

The Price of Dissent
Regarding the consensus in published literature cited by Cornell University, some experts counter that academic publications routinely reject any submissions that question the global warming narrative.

“I’m lucky because I didn’t really start pushing back on this until I was close to retirement,” Mr. Happer said. He had already established himself at that point as a tenured professor at Princeton, a member of the Academy of Sciences, and director of energy research at the U.S. Department of Energy.

“If I’d been much younger, they could have made sure I never got tenure, that my papers would never get published,” he said. “They can keep me from publishing papers now, but it doesn’t matter because I already have status. But it would matter a lot if I were younger and I had a career that I was trying to make.”

In an interview with John Stossel, climate scientist Judith Curry said she paid the price for contradicting the narrative and called the global warming consensus “a manufactured consensus.”

Ms. Curry, the former chair of Georgia Tech’s School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, said that when she published a study that claimed hurricanes were increasing in intensity, “I was adopted by the environmental advocacy groups and the alarmists and I was treated like a rock star; I was flown all over the place to meet with politicians and to give these talks, and lots of media attention.”

When several researchers questioned her findings, she investigated their claims and concluded that her critics were correct.

Part of it was bad data; part of it was natural climate variability,” she said. But when she went public with that fact, she was shunned, she said and pushed out of academia.

Mr. Lindzen tells a similar tale, once he began to question the climate narrative.

“Funding and publication became almost impossible,” he said, “and I was holding the most distinguished chair in meteorology,” which was MIT’s Sloan Professorship of Meteorology.

Nobel Prize-winning physicist John Clauser told The Epoch Times that he, too, was abruptly canceled from giving a speech on climate at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on July 25.

Mr. Clauser had stated during a previous speech at Quantum Korea 2023 that “climate change is not a crisis.”

He said that climate is a self-regulating process and that more clouds form when temperatures rise, resulting in a compensatory cooling effect. Although he agrees that atmospheric carbon dioxide is increasing, he argued that the gas's effect on global warming is swamped by the natural cloud cycle.

However, only days before his IMF discussion was to take place, Mr. Clauser received an email indicating that the IMF's Independent Evaluation Office (IEO) director, Pablo Moreno, didn't want the event to happen. An assistant who was coordinating the event wrote to Mr. Clauser: “When I arranged this the Director was very happy about it but things have evidently changed.”

The IMF’s current policy on climate change is that “large emitting countries need to introduce a carbon tax that rises quickly to $75 a ton in 2030, consistent with limiting global warming to 2° [Celcius] or less.”

The Climate Money Machine
Asked why there would be a need to censor, alter, and cherry-pick data to support the global warming narrative, Mr. Lindzen said “because it’s a hoax.”

Mr. Clauser said of the climate consensus, “We are totally awash in pseudoscience.”

“There is this huge fraction of the population that has been brainwashed into thinking this is an existential threat to the planet,” Mr. Happer said. “I don’t blame the people; they don’t have the background to know they are being deceived, but they are being deceived.”

The World Bank announced in September 2022 that it paid out a record $31.7 billion that fiscal year to help countries address climate change, a 19 percent increase from the $26.6 billion it paid out over the previous fiscal year. And according to Reuters, the United States is projected to spend about $500 billion to fight climate change over the next decade, including $362 billion from the Inflation Reduction Act, $98 billion from the Infrastructure Act, and $54 billion from the CHIPS law.

What would happen to sustainable energy, the worthless windmills and solar panels if suddenly there were no climate change emergency,” Mr. Happer said. “They’re really not very good technology and they’re doing a lot more harm than good, but nevertheless people are making lots of money.”

Many investors, most notably BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, have cited government regulations and subsidies as a key reason why investments in “green” energies would be profitable.

Research grants to study climate change are offered by many government agencies, including the EPA, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), as well as by non-profits including Bloomberg Philanthropies and the MacArthur Foundation, which paid out $458 million since 2014.

Going back to [19]88 to ’90, funding went up by a factor of 15,” Mr. Lindzen said. “You created a whole new community.

“This was a small field in 1990; not a single member of the faculty at MIT called themselves a climate scientist,” he said. “By 1996, everyone was a climate scientist, and that included impacts. If you’re studying cockroaches and you put in your grant, ‘cockroaches and climate,’ you are a climate scientist.”

Asked to respond to the professors’ comments, an EPA spokesperson stated: “The Agency will review all comments we received as we work to finalize the proposed standards.”

Kevin Stocklin is a business reporter, film producer and former Wall Street banker. He wrote and produced "We All Fall Down: The American Mortgage Crisis," a 2008 documentary on the collapse of the mortgage finance system. His most recent documentary is "The Shadow State," an investigation of the ESG industry.
 
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Era Of 'Unquestioned And Unchallenged' Climate Change Claims Is Over

SATURDAY, OCT 14, 2023 - 07:00 AM
Authored by Alex Newman via The Epoch Times ,
Leading voices in the climate community are in an uproar as their warming hypothesis comes under fresh assault by new scientificpapers.



The authors of the papers are being attacked and say that “activist scientists” threatened by the new findings are “aggressively conducting an orchestrated disinformation campaign to discredit the papers and the scientific reputation of the authors.”

Indeed, from insults on social media and furious blog posts to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests demanding emails from a journal editor and federal scientist, the controversy is getting heated.

Several scientists who spoke with The Epoch Times expressed shock at the tactics used against those whose latest research is casting renewed doubts on the official climate narrative.

William Happer, Princeton professor emeritus of physics and former climate adviser to President Donald Trump, wasn't surprised by the response to the new findings.

Of course the climate cult will be dismissive of any information—no matter how scientifically correct—that is politically incorrect," he told The Epoch Times, noting that the new findings made important and valid points.

The reason that climate activists are so upset is that the findings of the new papers—a trio of peer-reviewed studies by astrophysicist Willie Soon and dozens of other scientists from around the world—are casting further doubt on the narrative of man-made global warming.

The papers are also fueling even more public skepticism about the U.N Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which the authors say ignores the facts as well as climate science more generally.

The rhetoric employed by taxpayer-funded scientists with a vested interest in the climate change narrative to attack the new research was profoundly unscientific, multiple scientists told The Epoch Times.

Atmospheric science professor Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, for instance, denounced the authors of one of the new papers as “a group of climate denier [clown emoji]” on X.

Mr. Mann, famous for the now-widely ridiculed “hockey stick” graph purporting to show massive man-made warming, also described the editor of the journal Climate as a “denier clown.”

Gareth S. Jones with the UK Met Office ridiculed the new studies as "nonsense," while smearing the journal publisher for supposedly being "popular with the science denial community."


(Left) Atmospheric science professor Michael Mann is famous for the now-widely ridiculed “hockey stick” graph (L) purporting to show massive man-made warming. The blue curve is the original “hockey stick” with its uncertainty range in light blue. (Right) Scientist Michael Man (L) and director Josh Fox attend the New York Screening of the HBO Documentary[/I][/URL]
Mr. Jones also denounced the guest editor of Climate’s special issue, Ned Nikolov, for having a "bit of a reputation, so much so that other climate contrarians distance themselves from him."

Mr. Nikolov authored an earlier paper arguing that atmospheric pressure, not greenhouse gases, plays a primary role in temperatures on Earth and on other celestial bodies.

Also chiming in to attack the new papers and the scientists behind them was Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who's using a FOIA request to demand all of Mr. Nikolov’s emails with relevant scientists.

Mr. Schmidt mocked Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore, one of the authors, saying on X that there was “mo[o]re [expletive] going around” before posting a highly edited version of Mr. Moore’s post on social media.

“The only point of this paper (which every climate denier and their dog has jumped onto), is to launder dirty ‘science’ into a clean made-for-Fox meme,” Mr. Schmidt wrote on X before publishing a more detailed rebuttal on his blog Real Climate.

The latest contrarian crowd pleaser from Soon et al (2023) is just the latest repetition of the old ‘it was the sun wot done it’ trope[1] that Willie Soon and his colleagues have been pushing for decades,” argued Mr. Schmidt, whose federal salary is almost $200,000 per year. “There is literally nothing new under the sun.”
Scientists Respond
The blog post by Mr. Schmidt “is dismissive in an insubstantive way,” said climatologist Judith Curry, who wasn't involved in the new papers but previously served as chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.
“The response by Schmidt, Mann, and others, particularly with regard to the FOIA request regarding editorial discussions on this paper, reflects their ongoing attempts to control the scientific as well as public dialogue on climate change,” she told The Epoch Times. “In my opinion, their behavior not only reflects poorly on them but is damaging to climate science.”

Ms. Curry, author of "Climate Uncertainty and Risk," who has a post by the lead authors on her blog Climate Etc. to provide a forum for discussion, said the new paper raises “an important issue that is swept under the rug by the IPCC and many climate scientists.”

In particular, it has major implications for how 20th-century climate records are interpreted, she said.

“Further, the issue of the urban heat island effect on global land temperatures remains unresolved, which is also highlighted in the Soon et al. paper,” she said, calling it “a useful contribution to the climate science literature.”

Mr. Soon, the main author of the paper and a principal with the Center for Environmental Research and Earth Sciences (CERES), explained that the three new papers by CERES scientists are a major threat to powerful vested interests.

“For over three decades, the claims and conclusions by U.N. IPCC reports reigned supreme, unquestioned and unchallenged,” Mr. Soon, who was previously with the solar and stellar physics division of the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told The Epoch Times. “Our latest series of three published papers show that those claims are scientifically empty.


The new paper shows “very strong evidence” that a global “warming bias is built into the records from urban areas,” according to an expert. (Victor He/Unsplash)

“Our results appear to rock the weak foundation of IPCC, and this must be the reason why you are seeing such instantaneous rejection and outright complaining by activists like Schmidt and Mann.”

Mr. Soon and some of the other scientists involved in the new papers published another groundbreaking study in 2021 showing that solar activity could explain all observed warming.

In a highly unusual development for complex scientific studies, that paper has been downloaded more than 55,000 times since it was published.

“The high level of attention to this paper by people hungry for truth might be the real threats that Schmidt and Mann are worrying about,” Mr. Soon said, pointing to a detailed response to the attacks from critics published on CERES-Science.com, titled "The orchestrated disinformation campaign by RealClimate.org to falsely discredit and censor our work."

Mr. Happer noted that the new paper by Mr. Soon and the other authors, headlined “The Detection and Attribution of Northern Hemisphere Land Surface Warming,” is indeed significant.

The two important and valid points are that there are “huge uncertainties” surrounding how much warming there has been since 1850 and how much of that might be due to human activities, he said.

“The paper presents very strong evidence that a warming bias is built into the records from urban areas,” Mr. Happer told The Epoch Times after reviewing the paper, which he wasn't involved with.

“This extra warming of urban versus rural areas is not caused by increasing concentrations of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. It is caused by humans, but it cannot be reversed by ruinous net-zero policies.”



A groundbreaking study in 2021 had shown that solar activity could explain all observed warming. (David Gannon/AFP via Getty Images)

Mr. Happer, who believes that human CO2 emissions are responsible for “a relatively small contribution” to the “modest warming” that has been observed, agreed with the paper’s conclusion that available data isn't good enough to determine how significant the various factors, such as volcanoes, solar irradiance, and greenhouse gas emissions, are to the warming.
Marc Morano, editor of the popular website Climate Depot, told The Epoch Times that the aggressive reaction to the new papers was an effort to silence dissent from the U.N.-backed narrative.
“The climate establishment is mimicking the same coercive tactics that we saw in COVID,” he said. “If you present any scientific challenge to the official narrative, you are the deplatformed, canceled, censored, and silenced.”
Indeed, the United Nations and other powerful groups are actively working to silence other views on the issue. U.N. Undersecretary-General for Global Communications Melissa Fleming is waging war on what she calls climate “disinformation.”
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Climate change has always been challenged by its most
ardent advocates not in principle but in terms of their actions.
As a rule the loudest voices in issuing warning against climate
catastrophes and calling for climate actions are often the worst
climate hypocrites namely, Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio, Harrison
Ford, David Suzuki, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Justin Trudeau,
Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Larry Fink .......

Climate deniers and people in the developing world can look
to the lifestyles of these hypocrites to find the incentives to
save Earth's climate.
 

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Climate deniers and people in the developing world can look
to the lifestyles of these hypocrites to find the incentives to
save Earth's climate.
anthropogenic climate change skeptics is the preferred term please.
 

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At some point in the not too distant future (5--7 years) the world
will come to realize what a farce the climate movement is. Climate
sheeple will finally get to reap the rewards of demonizing the fossil
fuel industries as the cause of climate change. It will be a joy ride to
global energy crunch.
 
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