Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

Goodoer

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I wish people flew Canadian flags in Canada with as much zeal.

If I had to choose a PR winner? Israel. The Palestinians suffering will be forgotten if Hamas is 'destroyed'. People forget and that is why we repeat our mistakes.
 

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I wish people flew Canadian flags in Canada with as much zeal.

If I had to choose a PR winner? Israel. The Palestinians suffering will be forgotten if Hamas is 'destroyed'. People forget and that is why we repeat our mistakes.
These don't make the news but they are everywhere.




 

Goodoer

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These don't make the news but they are everywhere.
This is something to consider as well... PR all depends on where you live and how much time has passed.

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor which ultimately culminated with the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Extreme death tolls. For the next 40-50 years, people would have sided with the USA... Nowadays, the children would be taught to side against the USA while eating their McDonalds and drinking Starbucks.
 

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Being brutally honest? I really cannot justify it either way as I don't truly care. It is not my religion-based fight. If my women and children were raped and beheaded, I would want vengeance as well.
I agree. However, the people paying the price are civilians. Looks like a 20 year clean up to fix what is broken. As far as buildings and infrastructure. 20 years won't fix the human toll.
 

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This won't be forgotten easy.

Remember, starting in 2014, these wars are happening in the social media era. Prior to that, there was no twitter, facebook etc, or were in the very early stages and Israel could hide things, may be. Not so sure about this today. These are the days of grassroots, social media activism, citizen journalism and smart phones etc., Israel won't get off easy this time, and any other time in the future if they dont find a lasting solution to end the conflict.
Exactly... Hamas will not get off easy as well. I'll remember the kidnapping, raping and beheading of Israeli civilians just as easily.

The activism is weak and journalism biased for both sides. I'll be watching the Leaf game, but I will start to pay more attention to the way people are acting here in Canada.
 

Robert Mugabe

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Just watched an interview on Hard Talk. BBC news. With Lebanese foreign minister. Steven Sakur was challenging him on the fact that Hezbollah has 600000 members in Lebanon who have no other connection with the country except as a terrorist organization bankrolled by Iran. He was pointing out that Israel already warned Lebanon that they will reduce Lebanon to rubble if they attack again. And the citizens of Lebanon will be the ones to suffer. As they are already doing. The country is a shit show.
 
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Its natural to care.

Its unnatural not to.

The question should be to the few who don't. Why do you not care, about 10,000+ people on both sides dying?
I care about my own children and where my very own country is heading. It is concerning to me that the religious and cultural issues from other parts of the world are coming here and causing issues. I want to keep their shit over there.

If Israel ends this permanently, they'll win the PR war. If people here want to 'remember', then they can go to the Middle East and fight for their cause.
 

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We don't live in a vacuum to only worry about Canada.
Canada is the vacuum. Years later, Don Cherry's "Milk & Honey" comment hits harder now.

Canadian Israelis and Palestinians should be meeting in public, hugging and loving each other while denouncing Hamas, Hezbollah and any other proxy-war faction. They should be flying Canadian flags telling the Middle East that they're fucked and Canada does it better. Join the Canadian Army while you're at it.
 

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Good example of people being so entrenched, thinking the world is black or white and will argue to prove who is right and who has the moral high ground. They haven’t considered

neither
 
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I think Israel already lost this one.
More every day. Some of the grievances go back 75 years and the arc of history has been bending strongly against colonialism. Extermination is not a winning foreign policy...
 
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It's age-related. Young people support Palestine by a very narrow 2 or 3% margin. Older people support Israel by a massive margin.

That's in the West. In Muslim countries of course, they almost all support Palestine.
 
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A lot more died in the Rwandan genocide. Nobody cared.

How many have died in the Russia-Ukraine war? How about Armenia-Azerbaijan? How about the Sikh separatists and India?

Who decides which conflicts are worthy of our attention, and which can be ignored?
Exactly. Genocides currently in Ethiopia and Yemen. Child soldiers in Congo. It's Africa, so no white people give a fuck.
 

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Just watched an interview on Hard Talk. BBC news. With Lebanese foreign minister. Steven Sakur was challenging him on the fact that Hezbollah has 600000 members in Lebanon who have no other connection with the country except as a terrorist organization bankrolled by Iran. He was pointing out that Israel already warned Lebanon that they will reduce Lebanon to rubble if they attack again. And the citizens of Lebanon will be the ones to suffer. As they are already doing. The country is a shit show.
You mean those 600,000 Palestinian refugees that the UN keeps repeatedly demanding Israel allow back?
Israel won't because they'd lose control of their 'democracy' if they were allowed to vote along with all Palestinians under their rule.
 
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