Quebec Almost Doubling of Tuition for Out of Province Students? Economic Isolationism? Choking the Golden Goose?

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Is Quebec on a fast track to economic suicide? In the face of a labour shortage of highly trained and educated young people Quebec is almost doubling the cost of tuition for out of province students. I would think they would want to increase the number of young smart people who are willing to come to Quebec - mostly Montreal - and learn to speak some French. Yes, some may get their education and leave, but many might fall in love with Montreal and decide to stay and make a life. But more broadly speaking both labour and capital are mobile. Countries and economic regions need to compete by putting out the welcome mat for both money and talent. McGill is a wonderful school. There might not be a William Shatner without his fine McGill business degree. Yes, he lives in California now, but he helped put Canadian actors and show business aspirants on the world scene. Does it matter that he came from a Jewish family of immigrants and spoke more English than French? NO! Bill Shatner is a credit to all those young people from all over Canada and the world who found their first inspiration and opportunities in Montreal. Montreal is closer to Europe, can develop great human capital, and has cheap electricity, but it will stagnate if force feeding French is prioritized over economic growth. There are too many painful sticks and not enough tasty carrots.

I am also observing the bankruptcy reorganization of The One retail, hotel, and condo tower in TO. This is the tip of the iceburg. Many of the buildings in Toronto were financed and filled with foreign financing and immigrants who bring needed talents and ambitions. Politicians have shut off the flow of well-heeled foreigners and their money. It is ironic that poor refugees are welcome in Toronto to live on the sidewalks but the people who would create new buildings and jobs for all and grow the economy are restricted from buying properties and by living here filling the struggling shops and restaurants downtown.

You also need a return of law and order with prison terms that mean something in concert with public works programs and targeted jobs training for those who want to work. Nobody should need to turn to crime to eat but there will always be some bad people who need to be locked up so the majority of us can be free. I just observed a report of a man with a gun in front of Longo's on Bloor at Yonge at 3:14 pm. Side streets like S Hayden and Balmutto are not safe to protect our women from perverts and assaults. There was a man with a knife last year walking up and down in front of Hemmingway's at dinner time. Get rid of the bike lanes on Bloor so that what happens on the sidewalks is not isolated from the cars. Bring in some police walking a beat. Get rid of bike lanes and mandatory right turns on King St and try to bring back what was a once thriving street in that area too.

Let the people sell canabis who know canabis. You have hundreds of pot stores with mostly crappy merchandise while the owners who actually know what they are doing are driven underground. Canada had a lead over everybody in the world and self-immolated from horrible regulation.
East-West trade locked in each country for purely political reasons increases shipping costs and lowers living standards. Shipping hundreds of miles just to stay within borders makes no sense.

We have similar problems in the US. It is hard to find politicians who believe in capitalism who are not moralistic zealots who want to tell everybody else how to live. We do a lot of things wrong in the US, but I must give the Choking the Golden Goose Award to Canadian politicians at local, provincial, and federal levels. It is sad because I mostly like them. But they have fallen below flying stall speed. The Golden Goose must breathe to be able to fly. Cut too high taxes and regulations, lock up more bad guys, and get back to real and fair bilingualism.
 
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Many people are under the impression that you have to speak French in order to live and/or go to school in Quebec, which is not true. At one time there were three English's universities in Montreal and only one French university ( now there are two French universities ). You only need to speak French if you are going to the French universities. The population of foreign and out of province students are relatively low as compared to students seeking higher education in Toronto.

One of the reasons that the government of Quebec has enounced tuition increases for foreign student may be a political ploy. The premiere of Quebec is the leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) party. Which is not the extreme separatist party that tried to separate Quebec from Canada. They are a soft separatist party that want to show the French speaking population that they are doing their best to ( or at least appear to be ) in the best interest of Quebecers. In the end they may not increase tuitions or they may not increase it as much.

As far as William Shatner is concerned, he grew up in an English Montreal before the separatist movement with only one French University when there were three English Universities. McGill, Loyola and Sir George Williams University ) He was long gone to Ontario and USA by the early/mid 1950s.
 
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There's a competition for students (foreign and domestic). A university fair is happening right now in Toronto.

This raising of fees for non-Quebec students in Quebec will mean more students will apply to UofT, Queens, Western, etc.

P.S. maybe this thread should be moved to the Politics Forum?
 

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It is purely a political move, the Gov. of Quebec will not save much by preventing outside students from going to university in Quebec.
 

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Is Quebec on a fast track to economic suicide? In the face of a labour shortage of highly trained and educated young people Quebec is almost doubling the cost of tuition for out of province students. I would think they would want to increase the number of young smart people who are willing to come to Quebec - mostly Montreal - and learn to speak some French. Yes, some may get their education and leave, but many might fall in love with Montreal and decide to stay and make a life. But more broadly speaking both labour and capital are mobile. Countries and economic regions need to compete by putting out the welcome mat for both money and talent. McGill is a wonderful school. There might not be a William Shatner without his fine McGill business degree. Yes, he lives in California now, but he helped put Canadian actors and show business aspirants on the world scene. Does it matter that he came from a Jewish family of immigrants and spoke more English than French? NO! Bill Shatner is a credit to all those young people from all over Canada and the world who found their first inspiration and opportunities in Montreal. Montreal is closer to Europe, can develop great human capital, and has cheap electricity, but it will stagnate if force feeding French is prioritized over economic growth. There are too many painful sticks and not enough tasty carrots.

I am also observing the bankruptcy reorganization of The One retail, hotel, and condo tower in TO. This is the tip of the iceburg. Many of the buildings in Toronto were financed and filled with foreign financing and immigrants who bring needed talents and ambitions. Politicians have shut off the flow of well-heeled foreigners and their money. It is ironic that poor refugees are welcome in Toronto to live on the sidewalks but the people who would create new buildings and jobs for all and grow the economy are restricted from buying properties and by living here filling the struggling shops and restaurants downtown. You also need a return of law and order with prison terms that mean something in concert with public works programs and targeted jobs training for those who want to work. Nobody should need to turn to crime to eat but there will always be some bad people who need to be locked up so the majority of us can be free. I just observed a report of a man with a gun in front of Longo's on Bloor at Yonge at 3:14 pm. Side streets like S Hayden and Balmutto are not safe to protect our women from perverts and assaults. There was a man with a knife last year walking up and down in front of Hemmingway's at dinner time. Get rid of the bike lanes on Bloor so that what happens on the sidewalks is not isolated from the cars. Bring in some police walking a beat. Get rid of bike lanes and mandatory right turns on King St and try to bring back what was a once thriving street in that area too.

Let the people sell canabis who know canabis. You have hundreds of pot stores with mostly crappy merchandise while the owners who actually know what they are doing are driven underground. Canada had a lead over everybody in the world and self-immolated from horrible regulation.
East-West trade locked in each country for purely political reasons increases shipping costs and lowers living standards. Shipping hundreds of miles just to stay within borders makes no sense.

We have similar problems in the US. It is hard to find politicians who believe in capitalism who are not moralistic zealots who want to tell everybody else how to live. We do a lot of things wrong in the US, but I must give the Choking the Golden Goose Award to Canadian politicians at local, provincial, and federal levels. It is sad because I mostly like them. But they have fallen below flying stall speed. The Golden Goose must breathe to be able to fly. Cut too high taxes and regulations, lock up more bad guys, and get back to real and fair bilingualism.
All myths. Ontario should at least raise rates by 3 or 4 times. The cultural and educational damage that ever been caused to education system is profound. What's inside economic system Are university system is now based on Supply education to foreigners And Far more charging than a fraction of what it's worth. Until university cost for as much as it costs an American citizen to go to the university Americas in the ivy league we are under charging . Additionally it's a fast track immigration Canada cause everyone knows.

Every immigrant just look at Musk To see See the volume value
 

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When I was at McGill, the policy was 15% foreign students. I hear it is now 25%.
 

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All myths. Ontario should at least raise rates by 3 or 4 times. The cultural and educational damage that ever been caused to education system is profound. What's inside economic system Are university system is now based on Supply education to foreigners And Far more charging than a fraction of what it's worth. Until university cost for as much as it costs an American citizen to go to the university Americas in the ivy league we are under charging . Additionally it's a fast track immigration Canada cause everyone knows.

Every immigrant just look at Musk To see See the volume value
Foreign students already pay more in tuition than the government pays.
Cuts to education are stupid and counterproductive.

Ontario has had massive cuts already.

In the EU most universities are fully funded, that's the way to a smarter population who won't vote for bad policies.
That's why the right wing wants to cut education.
 

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In the EU most universities are fully funded, that's the way to a smarter population who won't vote for bad policies.
Unfortunately most North American education institutions (especially in Canada) are used for leftist indoctrination.
btw "fully funded" means someone else is paying for it.
 

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Foreign students already pay more in tuition than the government pays.
Cuts to education are stupid and counterproductive.

Ontario has had massive cuts already.

In the EU most universities are fully funded, that's the way to a smarter population who won't vote for bad policies.
That's why the right wing wants to cut education.
The red wing has 40 cut them . The majority of ° I mean funded by foreign students were the only ones you paid full value Can I sell funded and fund Remaining amount of money. University lose money for every student they take if they're born in Canada. They make money if they take fake students from abroad Go for the most part or just looking for a way to Get 20 hours work week I'm moving to the workforce regardless of the degree. What's the right to work a minimum wage job Without risky mean murdered. It's the last part that makes the Canadian schol so good. Plus a Canadian ° makes it very easy to work in the usa .. .

4 students support the right wing agenda. Phantom ban tthem And Almost dead corps of the universities will be obvious. The left the real left is sad. A liberal arts education no longer exists. It's a right wing paradise mixed with Left wing extremist s With a bit of theater How about jobs.

The European model is a good 1 but it only allows the best to go to uni. Germany for example does Can you everyone school after high school For most it's trade school. We should have our school system have free trade schools like gemany to start.
 

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Setting the stage for a fight with Trudeau and Legault, more noise and possibly to push more foreigners to Toronto, if that's even possible anymore. lol
 

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lol, let them suffer the consequences. There is no path to prosperity with this policy.
 

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The son of a friend of mine was making a modest living with a liberal arts degree and trying to make ends meet in Chicago. Having studied German since grade school, he applied for a masters in engineering program in Germany. He was accepted. His tuition was free.

He graduated and has been living a good life in Berlin. He has remained in Berlin with his Ukrainian girlfriend who also migrated to Germany seeking a good education. In Germany admittance to quality programs is based on academic excellence and not being born rich.

The Quebec tuition hike is a head in ass policy.
 
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So that means the educated are programmed leftists and everyone else is paying for their education.
I think the lefties/wokies' favourite topic is to debate pronouns until the cows come home.
 

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I have a feeling this new policy of raising tuition fees for out-of-province students will raise little or no new money. The out-of-province students will simply take their money to an Ontario or another province's university. It's too bad because I have many fond memories (and pics) of my time at McGill and Montreal.

I'll have to organize another nude protest.

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