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Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

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I think it is either 1, 2 or 3. I am leaning more towards 2 personally. But 1 is entirely possible too.

Also as for the craters - may be someone with military experience can explain, but if it was an anti-personnel type of weapon, it would be an airburst ordnance I believe. Which would probably not create craters?

I think we will never know for sure.
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Looks to me like three impact sites with two craters.
The first is indicated.
The second is ta the front of where the overtured car was parked.
The third impact point seems to be at the damaged railing in the second picture.
In both pictures, trees and grass in the courtyard are unburnt, no visible shrapnel damage to the cars, buildings or solar panels on the roofs as well as the windows at ground level are blown out under the awnings which would indicate the explosion occured at ground level.
Has anyone seen any reports on fragments of the rocket or bomb from the site?


 
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Not getting younger said:
Lots of updates coming out on it.

Appologies but I’m going to go with US intelligence analyst I think they know more than anyone. At least until or unless something new comes out. Like fragments of a bomb.

One of the better articles I’ve read on it.
www.bbc.com

Gaza hospital: What video, pictures and other evidence tell us about Al-Ahli hospital blast - BBC News

BBC Verify is analysing evidence from the Al-Ahli hospital explosion amid competing claims over responsibility.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Since the Iraq WMD presentation by the US intelligence community and CSIS stating there was no merit to it I tend to double or tripple check from everything I can gather.
 
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PeteOsborne said:
Since the Iraq WMD presentation by the US intelligence community and CSIS stating there was no merit to it I tend to double or tripple check from everything I can gather.
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That’s fine, but since suicide attacks how do we know a martyr with a vest didn’t…and at the end of the day. Should nothing conclusive be produced like missile fragments which everyone till now hasn’t mentioned. I think I’ll take their conclusions.

Odd no one, has found any. Especially Hamas who we have to believe were first on the scene.
 
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One thing is certain : nobody on terb or Twitter has any fucking idea what happened. Israel claims #3 while Palestine claims#1. I find it more probable that Israel would attack a building where they believed HAMAs were hiding out than the HAMAs just happened to hit it by accident. That's why I was asking about the weaponry of the HAMAs and if it was possible for them to accidentally hit a hospital when they were aiming at Israel
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well...I am not surprise where you stand...do you believe Hamas are not capable of killing palestinians? they at one point told civilians to ignore the warnings of Israel and don't evacuate....have you heard the pleads of Palestinians asking for access through egypt and Jordan and being denied? Hamas knew the moment they start killing Israeli civilians that there will be retaliation and civilians will be in danger...they did it anyway...Like you said, not one here on terb has any fucking clue what's going on there but one thing is for sure...that hospital would still serve citizens, those people that died, would still be alive if Hamas didn't attack...
 
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Not getting younger said:
That’s fine, but since suicide attacks how do we know a martyr with a vest didn’t…and at the end of the day. Should nothing conclusive be produced like missile fragments which everyone till now hasn’t mentioned. I think I’ll take their conclusions.

Odd no one, has found any. Especially Hamas who we have to believe were first on the scene.
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Yeah where is the shrapnel? It is more and more looking like one stupid Palestinian rocket blew up on the parking lot and nothing really happened to the hospital.
 
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Leimonis said:
Yeah where is the shrapnel? It is more and more looking like one stupid Palestinian rocket blew up on the parking lot and nothing really happened to the hospital.
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Funny thing is Media is eating it at real time...a single tweet ripples through the entire twitterverse and Franky eats up all the anti-jew buffet and post it here....
 
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Leimonis said:
Yeah where is the shrapnel? It is more and more looking like one stupid Palestinian rocket blew up on the parking lot and nothing really happened to the hospital.
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The IDF fired warning shells.
Then they fired a JDAM in airburst mode.

Most of the damage is from the pressure blast of the initial fireball.
Not shrapnel.

Palestinian rockets have almost no explosives, but they would leave shrapnel, from what I hear.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714694965228400890
 
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PeteOsborne said:
Looks to me like three impact sites with two craters.
The first is indicated.
The second is ta the front of where the overtured car was parked.
The third impact point seems to be at the damaged railing in the second picture.
In both pictures, trees and grass in the courtyard are unburnt, no visible shrapnel damage to the cars, buildings or solar panels on the roofs as well as the windows at ground level are blown out under the awnings which would indicate the explosion occured at ground level.
Has anyone seen any reports on fragments of the rocket or bomb from the site?


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Have you ever seen evidence of an explosion like this from a Palestinian rocket before?
 
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Leimonis said:
Yeah where is the shrapnel? It is more and more looking like one stupid Palestinian rocket blew up on the parking lot and nothing really happened to the hospital.
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And where are the photos of the 800 plus, no 500, no < insert made up outrage #s of dead from made up IDF strike on hospital >?

Haven't Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hamas Ministry of Health have time to stage photos signifying proof of this Israeli strike using Hamas/Islamic Jihad fuel-filled, faulty rockets dropping like molten lead from the skies onto the hospital parking lot.

Where is the Hamas/Islamic Jihan Terrorist Technical Standards Association, Faulty Rockets Dept.? Why don't they respond?
 
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PeteOsborne said:
It does, that is what is confusing, the cell video of the impact shows impact below the top of the buildings with the flame ball rising past the roofs.
The lack of damage doesn't seem to indicate a JDAM airburst of the minimum size that the IDF uses.
The sound does indicate a JDAM munition.
I take the testimony of the doctors with the same regard as the IDF spokesman at this point.
Which of these is telling the truth?
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I would take the testimony of the IDF as seriously as Hamas.
But the doctors I take seriously.
 
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