It's pretty disgusting that in your Victorian mindset, you think Palestinians aren't capable of making their own choices and need you to tell them what to do.Still trying to blame the occupation of Palestine on Palestinians?
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It's pretty disgusting that in your Victorian mindset, you think Palestinians aren't capable of making their own choices and need you to tell them what to do.Still trying to blame the occupation of Palestine on Palestinians?
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Wow. Talk about grasping at straws. Either you believe that Palestinian have a right to self determination or you don't. The fact that you put in all sorts of emotionally laden bullshit doesn't change the fact you are openly saying the world should force the Palestinians in to something they hate....
Of course you missed it, you don't read. I've stated multiple times now that it's a false equivalence fallacy to compare caring about what Palestinians want when it concerns land and living conditions to caring about what they want if it's a Jewish purge. This is like arguing it's "against freedom" to have laws against murder. You are grasping at straws.
I've also told you who is going to keep the peace, police and military forces. Heck, maybe even UN peacekeepers if a one-state solution actually went through. Once Palestinians have equal rights, the violence will naturally dissipate over time.
I've told you all of this before, but you simply keep regurgitating the same debunked arguments and answered questions.
Can you find a single post where I fail to condemn those racist assholes? Sadly you live in a paradigm based on one sided hatred so you think everyone else does. We both condemn racism from radical Jews. Sadly only one of us condemns racism from Palestinians leadership like the Holocaust denier Abbas or the genocidal terrorism of groups like Hamas who plan, conduct, and celebrate the murder of civilians.Israeli ministers out and about.
Repeating some of basketcase's favourite lines 'there is no Palestine', 'arrest the terrorist'.....
Still blaming the victims for not wanting their country split in half by western colonialists?Sorry but what peace treaties have the Palestinians signed?
They refused the Peel Commission plan, they refused Partition, they refused at Camp David, they rejected the Clinton Initiative and walked away from Olmert's 2008 offer.
Funny that living under apartheid hasn't made them want to live with Israelis, isn't it?So their first choice is getting rid of Jews. Thanks for admitting that. Think that might be something worth condemning?
Still blaming the victims for the occupation and now also blaming them for not signing a treaty without a map.If the only issue was exactly what land would be swapped (as Al Jazeera alleges), the deal would have been completed in a few weeks negotiation but Abbas knew that after generations of pushing for the elimination of Israel, the Palestinian public wouldn't support him and he'd lose his job to hardliners. I would say that the lack of peace in 2008 was 100% the fault of Abbas but we all know that even if Abbas had agreed to peace, groups like Hamas wouldn't go along with it.
yet you keep doing it...
Its one thing to defend racist policies like apartheid and ethnic cleansing but to defend disfiguring children is another level.
Sorry but despite your low opinion of non-white people, Palestinian leadership make choices to reject peace and target civilians. I'm glad I live in a country who isn't afraid to condemn them for it.Still blaming the victims for not wanting their country split in half by western colonialists?
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Not only can't you identify the borders of Israel and/or Palestine, now you can't say if they are at peace or at war.Playing dumb again? There's a reason it was called the Gaza War.
And I see that you desperately avoid any mention of thousands of war crime rockets launched by Hamas during that war but instead want to demonize israel because it gave "only" the recommended amount of food to its enemies. At the same time that Hamas was sending thousands of war crime rocket at Israel, Israel was shipping thousands of tons of food to Hamas.
Listen to yourself.yet you keep doing it
Only racist scum think self defence includes attacking civilians who were not engaged in acts of violence.
WTF?Sorry but despite your low opinion of non-white people,
We live in a country that is opposed to apartheid.Palestinian leadership make choices to reject peace and target civilians. I'm glad I live in a country who isn't afraid to condemn them for it.
The Israeli leadership chose to reject peace and target civilian protesters ever Friday for a year, using snipers on women, children, disabled, medics, journalists and other civilians.leadership make choices to reject peace and target civilians.
Its like every post by basketcase is his own Rubicon speech.LOL! The world should certainly force people not to mass murder/expel entire groups of people (not that Palestinians are even in a position to do that to Israeli's). The fact you are attempting to spin not allowing mass murder/expulsion as denying a right to self-determination is hilarious and proves you only argue in bad faith. Your screen name is apt, and you certainly don't care at all that Israel has been doing mass murders and mass land expulsions since 1948.
Hamas and PIJ might as well be toddlers swinging fists at an adult. They have no power over Israel. If Israel were to give Palestinians equal rights, support for Hamas and PIJ would dry up with haste and they would become increasingly even less ineffectual until they dissolved completely.
It's quite clear at this point after 20 pages that you have nothing of substance to offer. You know that you're wrong and your arguments are weak, spurious and debunked - not only by the posters here on this thread but by academics, journalists and human right's groups across the globe. Yet, a fragile ego will not allow you to make the concession. Either that, or you're just trolling. Either way, I don't need to waste further time on you.
Do you really think your random tweets add anything to the discussion other than show your infantile obsessions?
Of course a Palestinian ethno-state doesn't bother you in the slightest.Not only can't you identify the borders of Israel and/or Palestine, now you can't say if they are at peace or at war.
Is it an illegal occupation or is it the one state apartheid solution?
Why can't you answer basic questions about this ethno state you love so much?
I do. I'm not the one supporting attacks on civilians because "you can't tell them apart". International law says civilians lose protections WHILE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN VIOLENCE.Listen to yourself.
Yep, Israel is "oppressing" Gaza by making hamas fire thousands of rockets towards Israeli populations.It isn't exactly a war. War is between countries.
This is more like a conflict where one COUNTRY (Israel) is oppressing an ethnic group of people (Palestinians) who have no rights to even control the tiny city they live in.
Well thanks for admitting that you're okay with genocidal nationalism when it comes from the Palestinians.It's understandable given their circumstances so I'd rather focus my condemnation on the one's responsible, Israel.
Wow you're embarrassing yourself. Were you not able to read the heading of your link?This is based on PCPSR polling of Palestinians, not 'second-hand analysis:'
Ah, the elitist colonial attitude telling them what's good for them. thanks for once again proving how little you actually care about palestinian self-determination.Besides, if what the Palestinians want is not realistic then it's irrelevant.
Did you ever read what you wrote?(1) Lmao! First of all, this map was drawn by Abbas on a napkin based on a map Olmert had shown him but would not allow him to take a copy:
"Olmert met in mid-2008 with Mahmoud Abbas and showed him a map of the proposed swaps. Abbas was not allowed to keep a copy of the map, and so the 73-year-old Palestinian president had to sketch a copy by hand on a napkin...A set of talking points prepared by the NSU included a great deal of confusion about Olmert’s offer; the memo urged Abbas to ask for a copy of the map, and raised a number of questions about the territory swaps."
Hmm....not sketchy at all!
(2) Secondly, allowing a symbolic number of Palestinian refugees into Israel would not resolve the issue — because descendants of Palestinian refugees now numbered in the millions at that point and were scattered across the region.
(3) Finally, the proposed deal was crap and would have taken MORE land from the Palestinians, not given them anything extra:
"Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert wanted to annex more than 10% of the West Bank (including the major settlements in Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel and elsewhere), in exchange for sparsely-populated farmland along the Gaza Strip and the West Bank...Israel would keep all of its major West Bank settlements – Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel, Kedumim and others – none of which were included in the Palestinian offers.
PA offered to concede almost all of East Jerusalem, an historic concession for which Israel offered nothing in return.
Olmert also proposed a 'safe passage' – a territorial link between the West Bank and Gaza – that would be under Palestinian control yet remain under Israeli sovereignty. A special road would connect Bethlehem with Ramallah, bypassing East Jerusalem." <------Not much of a "safe passage" if the enemy owns it. This was at a time when Palestinians wanted and could reasonably ask for a geographically contiguous State that corresponded with the 1967 borders, based on how much land they still had at the time of this offer.
Conclusion: Olmert offered a crappy and ambiguous deal that he wasn't even willing to put in writing or share a map of publicly. He wanted Abbas to sign this deal at the meeting, when the details weren't even put in writing by Olmert. This was after Abbas was willing to concede almost all of East Jerusalem. Israel wanted to annex MORE land in exchange for a few tracts of bad farmland. Nobody with an ounce of common sense would accept such a raw deal.
Just like Franky, a bunch of emotionally laden, factually deficient word salad trying to explain how you know far more than Palestinians.LOL! The world should certainly force people not to mass murder/expel entire groups of people (not that Palestinians are even in a position to do that to Israeli's). The fact you are attempting to spin not allowing mass murder/expulsion as denying a right to self-determination is hilarious and proves you only argue in bad faith. Your screen name is apt, and you certainly don't care at all that Israel has been doing mass murders and mass land expulsions since 1948.
Hamas and PIJ might as well be toddlers swinging fists at an adult. They have no power over Israel. If Israel were to give Palestinians equal rights, support for Hamas and PIJ would dry up with haste and they would become increasingly even less ineffectual until they dissolved completely.
It's quite clear at this point after 20 pages that you have nothing of substance to offer. You know that you're wrong and your arguments are weak, spurious and debunked - not only by the posters here on this thread but by academics, journalists and human right's groups across the globe. Yet, a fragile ego will not allow you to make the concession. Either that, or you're just trolling. Either way, I don't need to waste further time on you.
Do you really think your random tweets add anything to the discussion other than show your infantile obsessions?
The reality that grandpa avoids like the plague.