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basketcase

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International Law declares Israel guilty of hundreds of human right's abuses and apartheid. The creation of the USA was "illegal." Nobody gives a shit.
Make up your mind. If you care about how International law applies to Israel, why do you think those same laws don't apply to Palestinians? is it because you think Palestinians are too far beneath you to be held accountable or do you just like what those Palestinian terror factions are doing?
 

Frankfooter

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Will you ever admit that there are Palestinian attacks on civilians (terrorism) that violate international law or are you going to continue your racist farce that Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets?
Take that to the ICC along with the charges of apartheid and the illegal occupation.
Let them figure it out.

You do support international law, don't you?
 

basketcase

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Are you going to accept it if I invade your house and take over 70% but say you get to keep the basement? Especially if I'm one man and you're a family of 5. Get real. Of course they rejected it.

The only side worthy of blame are the invaders and the oppressors. They have the power to create peace but they won't because they want a racist, fascist State.
Will you accept the fact that Jews were legally allowed to immigrate under both the Ottomans and much of the British mandate? Even if you think that the Ottomans and Brits ruled poorly, why do you insist on blaming people who followed their rules?

And sorry but your counterfactual tag line doesn't mean anything. Arab leadership rejected a Partition and are accountable for their choices. They chose war over any kind of peace and many Palestinian factions still reject any kind of peace alongside Jews.
 

basketcase

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Take that to the ICC along with the charges of apartheid and the illegal occupation.
Let them figure it out.

You do support international law, don't you?
Ah, the racist who condemns terrorism from Jews but refuses to admit there is terrorism from Palestinians.
 

Frankfooter

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Make up your mind. If you care about how International law applies to Israel, why do you think those same laws don't apply to Palestinians? is it because you think Palestinians are too far beneath you to be held accountable or do you just like what those Palestinian terror factions are doing?
Make up your mind.
Does international law apply to Israel and Palestine both, or just Palestine?


 
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Frankfooter

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Ah, the racist who condemns terrorism from Jews but refuses to admit there is terrorism from Palestinians.
Supporters of apartheid have no business accusing anyone else of racism.

Both sides commit terrorism, Palestinians and Israelis.
Israel commits far more, along with an illegal occupation and apartheid.

do you support international law or not?


 
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basketcase

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I'm not the racist here, I don't see them beneath me. You don't get to selectively apply international law. The Israeli occupation and blockade is illegal, apartheid is illegal and the attacks on civilians and purging of mosque's is illegal. You don't get to do illegal things and then expect to victimized party to play by the rules.
Yet you are demanding the be forced into a peace deal they hate and refuse to hold them accountable for their choices.

And YOU don't selectively get to apply international law. try reading it. Even if the Occupation of West Bank is illegal, Jewish civilians do not become legitimate targets. Even Franky's rights groups are 100% clear on that. if Palestinians want to fight against military targets, they are allowed under international law (and also become combatants) but attacks like the ones I listed are 100% terror attacks under international law.

 

basketcase

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Exactly. This is what I meant earlier by saying Israelis need to be held to a higher standard. T...
Why? Do you think Israelis are more capable of morality that Palestinians? Right is right, wrong is wrong. Holding different ethnic groups to different standards is clear racism.
 

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Legality doesn't mean shit. The British partitioning was bullshit colonialism that rejected the sovereignty of the people living on that land. I care about as much for "legality" as the US revolutionaries did against the British. And I've already given you tons of information proving the land sales were dubious.

Ya Arabs rejected letting an invader take over 70% of their house. Just like you would.
You do realize how inconsistent your arguments are right?

BTW. Most of the Arab leaders who rejected Partition were in Damascus, the same absentee owners you were discussing before. But now they're indigenous top Palestine. Okay then.
 

Frankfooter

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Holding different ethnic groups to different standards is clear racism.
Then you are racist for supporting apartheid.




 
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southpaw

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So what?

Western nations offer citizenship and are secular. Israel says it is a liberal western style democracy.
Last I checked, Israel is a Jewish state. That big Star of David on their flag.

Just like there are several Islamic Republics, Emirates and Kingdoms. All with a big Crescent on their flags.

A lot of Western nations have a Cross on their flags. I wonder what that's for. Maybe they can learn a thing or two from the Zionists and Islamists.
 

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Are you not aware that the Brits/International community already proposed a partition before WWII? If the Arab states were willing to accept Jews in the region, Israel would be much, much smaller.


This thread is a really example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Take the time to dive deeper than simply superficial claims and try examining reality. Your knowledge of history is extremely limited and your view for a way forward relies on rejecting the rights of the people you claim to support.
Amazing how proposed only led to it after a major event. Almost like it was a catalyst to what was decades long talk.
 

southpaw

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Yeah Israel is a Jewish ethnostate ... Are you advocating for western Christian ethnostates? ... Not sure what you are getting at here.
Who's advocating? The people of Western countries will decide for themselves. That's democracy.
 

southpaw

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You're saying its a racist state that doesn't even admit the majority aren't Jewish?
That its so bad that they won't give them full basic human rights?
Yes I am. I'm also saying it's not the only one. Why should I care more for the plight of the Palestinians than the Uighurs in China or the Rohingya in Myanmar?
 

southpaw

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It has already been decided decades ago. It's not like it is a question still being considered.
Like Abortion or Affirmative Action in the States?

How about across the pond? How many far right parties are gaining ground in Europe?

Things change.
 

southpaw

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We had a far right leader from 2016 to 2020 in the US. Nothing changed.
On the contrary, he appointed three conservative supreme court justices. Lots changed.

Also, while he was in power, he did reduce illegal crossings at their southern border.

Didn't get that wall built though. Should have gotten help from the Israelis. I hear they have one.
 

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Frankfooter

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Not yet. Keep watching.
You're not supposed to admit that turning the US into an ethno state is part of the GOP and rump's goals.
Quiet part out loud....

Its also not going to help your long goals if you're saying you want the US to be just like Israel.
 
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