Hunter Biden heading for a trial

WyattEarp

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I didn't say that, wyatt, nice try.
I said Biden is letting the judiciary act independently and make their own decisions.
Frank, these are your exact words: "Allowing an independent investigation shows that Biden supports an independent judiciary........" .

There is no dishonor saying that in the heat of the discussion your words came out wrong.
 
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Frank, these are your exact words: "Allowing an independent investigation shows that Biden supports an independent judiciary........" .

There is no dishonor saying that in the heat of the discussion your words came out wrong.
Biden is supporting an independent judiciary by not acting, not 'allowing' and not stopping.
If you want to try to argue that doing nothing is acting, go ahead.
If you want to argue that my use of that phrase means I think he's 'acting' on the judicial system, go ahead.
Feel free to argue that I'm being dishonest and Biden is destroying the judicial system.

Personally, I think you're being pedantic because you don't have a legit criticism of this move.
 

toguy5252

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Frank, you know the adage "the cover-up is worse than the crime." This messy Hunter legal situation is not good for Joe Biden.
That is the point. The hunter investigation gas very little to do with Hunter and everything to do with helping the stable genius.
 

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That is the point. The hunter investigation gas very little to do with Hunter and everything to do with helping the stable genius.
I'm not sure about that. I don't think you can be either.

I am not even convinced there will be a Biden-Trump rematch next year.
 

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What gives you the delusion that you have any insight into average people, least of all Dem voters? :LOL:

Are you relying on popularity polls of Joe Biden to reinforce your point of view? I'm fairly certain that people making strong arguments don't end them with 😆😆😆.
Not at all. I was specifically speaking to mitch. He is proudly, self-admittedly coo-coo for Coco-Puffs completely down the alt-right Trump/Sky wormhole. His posts give me the clear impression he has lost touch with the mindset of average people. Let alone his Canadian wannabe Trump Magaboy insight into what American Democrat voters feel.


That's a very narrow view of U.S. politics. This guy or that guy. I think if you are supporting Biden (this guy) you better hope he faces off against that guy. Joe Biden can't be campaigning and debating against someone twenty or more years his junior.
I am Canadian and have no delusions of my absolutely ZERO ability to "support" Biden or any American politician. 'Politics' discussions here are simply a substitute for guys who like to talk sports. Every <insert losing team of choice here> fan absolutely knows how to run the team better than the owners, managers, coaches etc. Could make better decisions on the field than the players etc.

That said, I wish that Biden wasn't going to run for president of our neighbouring country. Among other things I think he is indeed too old. Despite the wisdom and experience that comes with age. And I do not think he is an inspiring Leader. But fwiw, I think he is one of the least corrupt, and financially motivated major politician in US politics. It is my personal feeling that ascribing malicious or corrupt intentions to him is simply a symptom of the viscious Right vs Left / Us vs Them binary battle to burn the other party.

And to be frank, I'd rather a guy like Chris Christie become President.

Trump? Not a chance. It is clear he is only in it to feed his own personal narcissistic need for cult-leader adoration and to maintain his billionaire lifestyle at the expense of his cult followers. Imagine that this billionaire flies around on his personal 757 yet begs for money from Lunchbox Larry to pay his mail-order bride's hairdresser $200k?
 

WyattEarp

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Biden is supporting an independent judiciary by not acting, not 'allowing' and not stopping.
If you want to try to argue that doing nothing is acting, go ahead.
If you want to argue that my use of that phrase means I think he's 'acting' on the judicial system, go ahead.
Feel free to argue that I'm being dishonest and Biden is destroying the judicial system.

Personally, I think you're being pedantic because you don't have a legit criticism of this move.
Frank, it's very simple. Biden is NOT "allowing an independent investigation". There is nothing to be commended.

In our system, an independent judiciary is an inherent principle. What President Biden does or doesn't do with the Judiciary is neither here nor there to that principle.
 
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1. Can anyone explain to me, simply, why making Weiss a "Special Council" is bad?

2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.

Serious, sincere question.
 
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1. Can anyone explain to me, simply, why making Weiss a "Special Council" is bad?

2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.

Serious, sincere question.
Look at all the videos I posted in this thread, to get your answer!!
 
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I actually was thinking hunter linked to Joe -but didnt articulate so apologies you're right on hunter per se.
I think people understand nepotism. Even without a direct link and charges they will draw the conclusion Joe was involved. And that Hunter used the Name. This isn't a Billy Carter situation. Hunter has gotten too many breaks. The drug diversions are especially problematic to some black men.
 

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1. Can anyone explain to me, simply, why making Weiss a "Special Council" is bad?

2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.

Serious, sincere question.
I don't have an issue at this point. The origional plea deal was weak imo. But with the scrutiny now I think a trial is coming. Hunter, unless Dad orders him to won't accept jail time imo. He will fight it. And the investigations are going to continue.

With how partisan Washington is I honestly wonder if it's possible to get an investigation on Joe. That and the bad laws in place. The interpretation of defining a lobbyist can be difficult sometimes, and that is the key to this. And the key charge. Because if he is convicted of working as an unregistered lobbyist tgen the attention goes to who he "lobbied". And that is Dad.
 

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No it wouldn't be similar. The former president raping and committing fraud is very very different from a private citizen like Hunter Biden, committing any crime. The only reason Hunter Biden is such a big deal is because righties know that Trump is going down lol, so they need something else to distract.
Well Trump is not under any criminal charges for rape. And the civil suit is now defamation. As for fraud no doubt. But in a way its already baked in with Trump. Cripes he got the evangelical vote dedpite his reputation. And the Supreme court win and want to push that further will get them out again.

Remember Hunter is in a way a new thing. New revelations. That counts.
 
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1. Can anyone explain to me, simply, why making Weiss a "Special Council" is bad?

2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.

Serious, sincere question.
 

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I'm not sure about that. I don't think you can be either.

I am not even convinced there will be a Biden-Trump rematch next year.
What other explanation is there for a congressional committee dedicated to the son of a president who has never been in government and is a recovering drug addiction.
 

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What other explanation is there for a congressional committee dedicated to the son of a president who has never been in government and is a recovering drug addiction.
Because the committee needs to investigate Hunter first, in order to eventually impeach Joe. Most of Joe's corruption, was done through Hunter's business dealings. By the way, Hunter's recovering drug addiction, is absolutely no excuse, for Hunter's deviant and corrupt behaviour!!

Hunter is very lucky his last name is "Biden", or Hunter would be in jail by now!!
 

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Within the parameters of political ramifications and considering the players the practical effects will be more similar than you think.
You are likely right. It won’t matter that the facts of these allegations are in no way equivalent between the two candidates. The GOP and Fox will just keep repeating “Biden Crime Family” and that’s all conservatives will need to justify a vote for Trump.

But…as you said before…the facts may only sway a small number of voters but in a close election that can make the difference.
 

mitchell76

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You are likely right. It won’t matter that the facts of these allegations are in no way equivalent between the two candidates. The GOP and Fox will just keep repeating “Biden Crime Family” and that’s all conservatives will need to justify a vote for Trump.

But…as you said before…the facts may only sway a small number of voters but in a close election that can make the difference.
Exactly. Thanks goodness the GOP gained control of the house in 2022. Also that those two democrat IRS whistleblowers came forward. Those IRS whistleblowers put Garland, Weiss and Joe Biden, in a whole bunch of controversy!! That's why Weiss changed his story, three times in the last month!!
 
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Frank, it's very simple. Biden is NOT "allowing an independent investigation". There is nothing to be commended.

In our system, an independent judiciary is an inherent principle. What President Biden does or doesn't do with the Judiciary is neither here nor there to that principle.
Its a principle that is increasingly not put into practice, see Clarence at the SC and billionaire/federalist funding.
Compare Biden's non interference with rump's repeated calls for people to be locked up, hung, investigated or whatever other threats he's doing daily.

Clearly its not a GOP principle any longer, they are more interested in stacking courts to ban books, abortion, women's rights and lock in gerrymandering.
If you think it should be a binding principle of your country why are you not taking a stand against those who are clearly trying to interfere with the courts?
 
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