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He's a candidate for office, and he's useless at it. It's not complicated. What's his view on immigration? Trudeau sucks at it. Trade? Trudeau sucks. International relations? Trudeau sucks. Education? Trudeau sucks. The military? Trudeau sucks. Labour relations? Trudeau sucks.

Plus he does have a job as an MP. Has he ever once stood up in the House and proposed a solution? Sort of, if you count interfering with an independent agency a solution: fire the BoC chairman. Otherwise, all he has done is whine and moan.

And again, Trudeau is unfit to be PM. But so far PP has only showed that he's weak, sensitive, and a whiner with questionable judgement. Him and Trudeau are both cow patties sitting in the road. I don't see him as better, and I think based on some of the shit he's said that he's going to be worse.

I didn't mind O'Toole. If they had elected Chong party leader I would but a CPC membership. But PP? If the vote was today I'd go get drunk instead. I don't want either of these shit birds.
PP is weak and sensitive? That's funny. Everytime some one disagrees with Mr. Socks he calls them racist, a Nazi, homophonic.
Mr. Socks is the most sensitive PM we ever had.

As far as proposing a solution to anything in house, that's not his job. Although he has suggested the carbon tax should be scrapped because it's a hard ship for low income Canadians. He has done that numerous times.
He has suggested closing Roxham Road crossing numerous times. Now we have so many immigrants and nowhere to put them and putting a huge strain on our social systems.
But yeah, never suggests any solutions to anything. :unsure::unsure:
 

Not getting younger

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Forgot one of his biggest. And no not referring to blackface. That’s ancient history.

I seem to recall, during that disastrous PR trip to Pakistan, filled with images of him and Sophie in traditional garb ( which many woke people would call cultural appropriation these days). Dancing et etc.

Pictures with a convicted terrorist? So what would we call those types of people. Hate groups?

Given the definition of Bigot…have to wonder who the actual bigots are these days.
 

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PP is weak and sensitive? That's funny. Everytime some one disagrees with Mr. Socks he calls them racist, a Nazi, homophonic.
Mr. Socks is the most sensitive PM we ever had.
This is called whataboutism. Multiple can be weak and sensitive.

As far as proposing a solution to anything in house, that's not his job.
His constituents would disagree. All members of parliament, be they a cabinet member or a back bencher, in the ruling party, the official opposition, or neither, have the same core job. And as candidate shoot a for office it absolutely is his job to propose solutions. When he ran for head of the Conservative party, it was his job to propose solutions.

Although he has suggested the carbon tax should be scrapped because it's a hard ship for low income Canadians. He has done that numerous times.
Yes. And they get far more back than they pay in carbon tax. You seem to have the same grasp of economics as PP does. Please, tell me how a net positive income is a hardship. Hardly a solution.

He has suggested closing Roxham Road crossing numerous times. Now we have so many immigrants and nowhere to put them and putting a huge strain on our social systems.
But yeah, never suggests any solutions to anything. :unsure::unsure:
It's been closed. He wants to close the thing that's closed and end a program that helps low income earners because they are facing financial hardship. Got it. He's proposed those 2 solutions. Wow. Great platform. What's next? Compassion the military is underfunded and propose disbanding it to fix the funding issue?
 
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Forgot one of his biggest. And no not referring to blackface. That’s ancient history.

I seem to recall, during that disastrous PR trip to Pakistan, filled with images of him and Sophie in traditional garb ( which many woke people would call cultural appropriation these days). Dancing et etc.

Pictures with a convicted terrorist? So what would we call those types of people. Hate groups?

Given the definition of Bigot…have to wonder who the actual bigots are these days.
Yes, exactly. He's a fucking clown. Literally. In every sense of the word.

Now where's the objectivity? Since I've mentioned objectivity and that Trudeau is a walking turd, how many of the Conservatives on here have volunteered the things they don't like about PP? None. Not a single Conservative has said a single bad thing about him. The first politician Saint in history it seems.

No one is perfect. My grandpa was a decorated was hero with post-war medals (yes, plural) for bravery and gallantry as a small town police officer. I worshipped the ground he walked on, but I can still admit he was a huge racist. Life isn't lollipops and gumdrops.

You guys you need to grab some perspective and some objectivity if you want to ever be taken seriously in a discussion. Just name 2 things you don't like about Poillievre. I don't like that Trudeau labels all his detractors as racists and Nazis (despite some people inability to read, I know plenty of Conservatives who aren't white supremacists and it's stupid to say they are). I don't like that he wastes money on family vacations where he's a walking PR disaster. I don't like that he can't answer simple questions. I don't like that he keeps getting into scandal after scandal. I don't like how after a lifetime in politics he pretends he doesn't know the ethics rules. I still say I like him better than Poillievre but can admit all those flaws of his.

I'm not responding anymore to anyone who refuses to do the same with Poillievre. You can like him more than Trudeau and think he'll do better but still recognize his flaws. And if you can't, you're unobjective or you're in a cult. And either way I'm not wasting more time with you.
 
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We're talking after FPTP is changed, if it's ever changed. PP never would've win the CPC leadership if we didn't have single member plurality. As it is he's not really a Conservative and probably wouldn't even stay with them. He didn't join the PCs afterall, he was Reform and only ended up in the CPC because of the merger.

I believe we'd see more conservative governments under any systems except for single member plurality (FPTP) and ranked ballot. Those are the two worse systems for Conservatives in Canada.
PeePee wouldn't have won if he didn't pay an informer $27,000 to take out Brown.
The party split would mean likely minority governments for a long time, which might not be too bad. Though its harder to do something like CERB with a minority.
And if its a minority things would have to get pretty bleak before one of the ndp or bloq went with the cons.
 

Not getting younger

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Dinklemouse.
you and I are probably more a like than you think. I have a very serious disdain and dislike for almost all politicians…

PP
Here’s the difference..
HE IS NOT IN POWER……….yet
When he is, then it’s his turn. Should we be ripping whoever leads the Green Party?

Carbon taxes.
Don’t even come close. Granted I didn’t bother checking my last return.
Propane to heat my house this winter?
$4,000 (26% of that tax)
Hydro ( I am I think mid density they call it)
Gas? I live in the country. Work is a 30min drive on a country road. So 1hr and 60km
The Grocery store is 20min away
Home Depot?
my kids ( thank god I don’t have to drive them to dance, hockey, friends)
The doctor? 45 min away
Hospital 20
LCBO 20
I will put way more KM on my vehicle……..than.

The corner store?????
Places many might walk to?????
Nor is there public transit. oh im sure many get back more…..;)

What I and im sure many others have received?doesn’t come close.

They are all snakes Dinklemouse.
 
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Frankfooter

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Yes, exactly. He's a fucking clown. Literally. In every sense of the word.

Now where's the objectivity? Since I've mentioned objectivity and that Trudeau is a walking turd, how many of the Conservatives on here have volunteered the things they don't like about PP? None. Not a single Conservative has said a single bad thing about him. The first politician Saint in history it seems.

No one is perfect. My grandpa was a decorated was hero with post-war medals (yes, plural) for bravery and gallantry as a small town police officer. I worshipped the ground he walked on, but I can still admit he was a huge racist. Life isn't lollipops and gumdrops.

You guys you need to grab some perspective and some objectivity if you want to ever be taken seriously in a discussion. Just name 2 things you don't like about Poillievre. I don't like that Trudeau labels all his detractors as racists and Nazis (despite some people inability to read, I know plenty of Conservatives who aren't white supremacists and it's stupid to say they are). I don't like that he wastes money on family vacations where he's a walking PR disaster. I don't like that he can't answer simple questions. I don't like that he keeps getting into scandal after scandal. I don't like how after a lifetime in politics he pretends he doesn't know the ethics rules. I still say I like him better than Poillievre but can admit all those flaws of his.

I'm not responding anymore to anyone who refuses to do the same with Poillievre. You can like him more than Trudeau and think he'll do better but still recognize his flaws. And if you can't, you're unobjective or you're in a cult. And either way I'm not wasting more time with you.
I really dislike the way JT speaks, when he tries to do a speech he sounds like a teacher with a lesson. Off mic he can be ok and even good, but officially he's not good. I also dislike his policy on Israel and think he could go further in a lot of areas. But generally he's doing fine, pot, dental, CERB were all good. Still scandal free, despite what the opposition says. The electoral interference committee was well handled, if you think about it. He picked someone who would have been easy for the cons to support with serious leader and when PeePee decided to make it an issue he waited and then handled it. Now the opposition can't agree to name anyone and they just arrested a conservative ex RCMP for working with China, while the Americans bus up MAGA protesters.
 

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Something I forgot about Carbon taxes. Other than farmers getting reamed ( feeding cities)

But first. Because I am a bit of a numbers nerd.
What is the liberals claim? 80% will get more back? Know how Canadians live in cities? About 75%

But heres the kicker I struggle to wrap my brain around. I am for doing what we can. Being a hunter, living in the country. Doing our parts right? Safe bet I like nature. So sometimes as I look at my hydro bill and compare it to what I paid in Whitby. I look out my window and I don’t see any street lights…wtf I can see stars too. I know I can’t see my street from the moon, but I can see “yours”…why the F do we need so much wind, nuclear power in Ontario. It’s certainly not my hood. But I’m paying for it???
That makes no sense…

then I look at my Propane bill, and compare that to the $1,200/year I paid in Whitby. I get it, have to save the environment, all do our parts. So I go to my deck, look out. I can hear a pin drop, no sirens and horns. I can smell the flowers, not ug. I can see for miles, but I don’t see 8 lane highways, super centre parking lots you could put a football stadium in. And not just one….they are everywhere….
So why I am paying for “your” lifestyle. It’s not me and my neighbors razing fields, sitting in grid lock polluting the air, send tonnes and tonnes of refuse to who knows where everyday.

and I think to myself. Wouldn’t it make way more sense to slap hefty taxes on those actually destroying the environment by postal code????? I mean if they can charge me more for Hydro based on my postal code……

Things I wonder about as I listen to the loons and look up at stars……..
 

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Dinklemouse.
you and I are probably more a like than you think. I have a very serious disdain and dislike for almost all politicians…

PP
Here’s the difference..
HE IS NOT IN POWER……….yet
When he is, then it’s his turn. Should we be ripping whoever leads the Green Party?
If someone wants to talk as if she's the 2nd coming and refuses to acknowledge any of her flaws, then yes. But keep in mind the context here: I was called out and assumed to be a lover of Justin Trudeau because I called a guy yelling White supremacy a white supremacist, and those people championed PP and refuse to name any is his faults. I've proven I'm objective. My words speak for themselves. I'm merely challenging others to do the same. So until someone thinks she's relevant, I don't really think May is relevant. But in a conversation where she is relevant, than yes, her supporters would be aware of her negatives in order to stay objective.

Carbon taxes.
Don’t even come close. Granted I didn’t bother checking my last return.
Propane to heat my house this winter?
$4,000 (26% of that tax)
Hydro ( I am I think mid density they call it)
Gas? I live in the country. Work is a 30min drive on a country road. So 1hr and 60km
The Grocery store is 20min away
Home Depot?
my kids ( thank god I don’t have to drive them to dance, hockey, friends)
The doctor? 45 min away
Hospital 20
LCBO 20
I will put way more KM on my vehicle……..than.

The corner store?????
Places many might walk to?????
Nor is there public transit. oh im sure many get back more…..;)

What I and im sure many others have received?doesn’t come close.
A government report said the average Canadian paid $555 but the average rebate was $804. This figures are disputed by the Parliamentary Budget Office, whose report seems far more reliable, but still show a net positive. The PBO even broke it up by income. I suggest you google their report and read it (rather than me linking a copy because it's a pdf that's easily found and that way you know the source is authentic), but take note that their report reflects the impact on budget, not the family. So you'll notice carbon rebates are listed as a negative but carbon taxes and fees are listed as a positive, giving a net result that looks negative. But that means he family obtained more money from government than they put in. The highest income earners had a significant outflow. But the lowest income earners, across all 4 provinces where it applies, all got more money back than they paid in taxes.

The numbers are very clear.

They are all snakes Dinklemouse.
Welcome to the side of the objective. Let's see who else wants to show they aren't blind propagandists.
 

DinkleMouse

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Something I forgot about Carbon taxes. Other than farmers getting reamed ( feeding cities)
Farmers have a large number of exemptions. Almost anything used for the purposes of actually farming is exempted.

But first. Because I am a bit of a numbers nerd.
What is the liberals claim? 80% will get more back? Know how Canadians live in cities? About 75%
I'll return to this when you do. I'm not ignoring it.

But heres the kicker I struggle to wrap my brain around. I am for doing what we can. Being a hunter, living in the country. Doing our parts right? Safe bet I like nature. So sometimes as I look at my hydro bill and compare it to what I paid in Whitby. I look out my window and I don’t see any street lights…wtf I can see stars too. I know I can’t see my street from the moon, but I can see “yours”…why the F do we need so much wind, nuclear power in Ontario. It’s certainly not my hood. But I’m paying for it???
That makes no sense…
You're almost certainly paying more for distribution. Smaller pipe, but longer run of it with less people sharing it. Chances are you've also got more property, so even if you keep lights off, any heating or cooling that uses electricity is going to cost more. Now I personally don't think that's how distribution should work. And I don't think essential services like utilities should be privatized. I think it should be run by the government and costs of distribution should be shared by everyone. But that's not what we have. Any that really has nothing to do with carbon tax.

then I look at my Propane bill, and compare that to the $1,200/year I paid in Whitby. I get it, have to save the environment, all do our parts. So I go to my deck, look out. I can hear a pin drop, no sirens and horns. I can smell the flowers, not ug. I can see for miles, but I don’t see 8 lane highways, super centre parking lots you could put a football stadium in. And not just one….they are everywhere….
Pretty big positives. I'm envious. I'd love to be in that position. Unfortunately there not feasible given my hours and career choice. There's a trade off there too. I'm a relatively high income earner, especially for a worker and not a manager.

So why I am paying for “your” lifestyle. It’s not me and my neighbors razing fields, sitting in grid lock polluting the air, send tonnes and tonnes of refuse to who knows where everyday.
I mean, I would argue you're paying for YOUR lifestyle. You don't have to live in the country. If you think the city lifestyle is easier/cheaper, you could come live it. Now I don't think you should. Again distribution costs should be absorbed by the whole system IMO. But I'm pretty sure that's what you're mostly paying for. You're paying extra to be away from city and have space. You're not offering extra for the city to be far away from you.

and I think to myself. Wouldn’t it make way more sense to slap hefty taxes on those actually destroying the environment by postal code????? I mean if they can charge me more for Hydro based on my postal code……

Things I wonder about as I listen to the loons and look up at stars……..
But again, a lot of that is a premium you pay for your lifestyle. The road outside my condo is used far more than road outside your house. It needs maintenance more often and wears a lot faster. But there's also a lot more of us in the municipality paying our taxes to maintain it. In costs per use, we city dwellers almost certainly are paying more. So when it comes to costs, I think your complaint is invalid. You're paying for your lifestyle.

But you bring up a good point, and it relates back to your early comment I said I would get back to. When it comes to expenses, I think you're paying for your lifestyle. But when it comes to concessions, that's where you're unfairly being targeted.

NIMBY is a big deal when it comes to certain things. Things that people in cities need and use far more than those in the country. But because less people complain, often it's the country that gets to deal with it. I'm not even talking about things like jails either...

Farmers lose land to wind farms, and those wind farms make both crops and livestock harder to grow and keep in those areas. Ditto for solar farms. Then there's landfills, purification plants, etc. You pay a premium to live in the country, but depending on how far you live at some point the city grows out to you and everything you paid for is gone and you have no say in it.

People are being told to cut back more, to walk more. And yet those in the country can't really do that. They're already living more purely and more in harmony with earth (in general), and yet they are expected to make the same cuts.

I'm not quite sure what the solution is to that. But I do know that the economics of scale explain why living in the country costs more. Rural is more expensive than suburban which is more expensive than urban. But you're paying for that lifestyle simply because having more and sharing less means having to pay a greater share of what you do have because less people are sharing it. If my explaination makes sense.
 

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If someone wants to talk as if she's the 2nd coming and refuses to acknowledge any of her flaws, then yes. But keep in mind the context here: I was called out and assumed to be a lover of Justin Trudeau because I called a guy yelling White supremacy a white supremacist, and those people championed PP and refuse to name any is his faults. I've proven I'm objective. My words speak for themselves. I'm merely challenging others to do the same. So until someone thinks she's relevant, I don't really think May is relevant. But in a conversation where she is relevant, than yes, her supporters would be aware of her negatives in order to stay objective.



A government report said the average Canadian paid $555 but the average rebate was $804. This figures are disputed by the Parliamentary Budget Office, whose report seems far more reliable, but still show a net positive. The PBO even broke it up by income. I suggest you google their report and read it (rather than me linking a copy because it's a pdf that's easily found and that way you know the source is authentic), but take note that their report reflects the impact on budget, not the family. So you'll notice carbon rebates are listed as a negative but carbon taxes and fees are listed as a positive, giving a net result that looks negative. But that means he family obtained more money from government than they put in. The highest income earners had a significant outflow. But the lowest income earners, across all 4 provinces where it applies, all got more money back than they paid in taxes.

The numbers are very clear.


Welcome to the side of the objective. Let's see who else wants to show they aren't blind propagandists.
Re her/him. I’m staying out of that. Agree with both of you at times. I concern myself with who is power today. That’s all we should be concerned with. We can speculate and use supposition about what any “new” leader ( party) might do…or might not…that’s all it is. Supposition.

We know, the present snakes……

And I don’t concern myself too much about 10 years ago unless it’s very pertinent to the present day. Aka why we are where we are. And I concern myself with 10-30 years down the road…

I did read it Dinklemouse.and I am quite familiar with various mathematics. Especially those relating to budgets, assets and liabilities, averages, moving averages, meadians. Present value of money, forward value of money, and many many more not to mention economics.. Was sort of what I did for years in the financial district. I know how to spin them too.. most will get, “80%”….

I can tell you. My rebate…uh uh.
And I would expect most people that can’t walk here and there, don’t have public transit, put a lot of KMs, pay more for heating etc( means more tax)..

either way.
Who is actually destroying the environment. Urban growth? The brights lights and fast life?
And yet,……..

“Just saying”
 

Frankfooter

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Something I forgot about Carbon taxes. Other than farmers getting reamed ( feeding cities)

But first. Because I am a bit of a numbers nerd.
What is the liberals claim? 80% will get more back? Know how Canadians live in cities? About 75%

But heres the kicker I struggle to wrap my brain around. I am for doing what we can. Being a hunter, living in the country. Doing our parts right? Safe bet I like nature. So sometimes as I look at my hydro bill and compare it to what I paid in Whitby. I look out my window and I don’t see any street lights…wtf I can see stars too. I know I can’t see my street from the moon, but I can see “yours”…why the F do we need so much wind, nuclear power in Ontario. It’s certainly not my hood. But I’m paying for it???
That makes no sense…

then I look at my Propane bill, and compare that to the $1,200/year I paid in Whitby. I get it, have to save the environment, all do our parts. So I go to my deck, look out. I can hear a pin drop, no sirens and horns. I can smell the flowers, not ug. I can see for miles, but I don’t see 8 lane highways, super centre parking lots you could put a football stadium in. And not just one….they are everywhere….
So why I am paying for “your” lifestyle. It’s not me and my neighbors razing fields, sitting in grid lock polluting the air, send tonnes and tonnes of refuse to who knows where everyday.

and I think to myself. Wouldn’t it make way more sense to slap hefty taxes on those actually destroying the environment by postal code????? I mean if they can charge me more for Hydro based on my postal code……

Things I wonder about as I listen to the loons and look up at stars……..
Buy a heat pump and some solar cells.

 

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Re her/him. I’m staying out of that. Agree with both of you at times. I concern myself with who is power today. That’s all we should be concerned with. We can speculate and use supposition about what any “new” leader ( party) might do…or might not…that’s all it is. Supposition.

We know, the present snakes……

And I don’t concern myself too much about 10 years ago unless it’s very pertinent to the present day. Aka why we are where we are. And I concern myself with 10-30 years down the road…

I did read it Dinklemouse.and I am quite familiar with various mathematics. Especially those relating to budgets, assets and liabilities, averages, moving averages, meadians. Present value of money, forward value of money, and many many more not to mention economics.. Was sort of what I did for years in the financial district. I know how to spin them too.. most will get, “80%”….

I can tell you. My rebate…uh uh.
And I would expect most people that can’t walk here and there, don’t have public transit, put a lot of KMs, pay more for heating etc( means more tax)..

either way.
Who is actually destroying the environment. Urban growth? The brights lights and fast life?
And yet,……..

“Just saying”
Not actually true, ngy.
Infrastructure per person is way cheaper for urban vs rural citizens.
Think how much more roads need to be maintained, how much longer those hydro lines, all the gas deliveries vs pipelines, time to get other services.
And for what? You get a few acres where that one truck/saw/hammer ends up feeling way louder than background city noise.
In the 15 minute city it doesn't take nearly the resources to get food, water and energy per person.
 

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Something I forgot about Carbon taxes. Other than farmers getting reamed ( feeding cities)

But first. Because I am a bit of a numbers nerd.
What is the liberals claim? 80% will get more back? Know how Canadians live in cities? About 75%

But heres the kicker I struggle to wrap my brain around. I am for doing what we can. Being a hunter, living in the country. Doing our parts right? Safe bet I like nature. So sometimes as I look at my hydro bill and compare it to what I paid in Whitby. I look out my window and I don’t see any street lights…wtf I can see stars too. I know I can’t see my street from the moon, but I can see “yours”…why the F do we need so much wind, nuclear power in Ontario. It’s certainly not my hood. But I’m paying for it???
That makes no sense…

then I look at my Propane bill, and compare that to the $1,200/year I paid in Whitby. I get it, have to save the environment, all do our parts. So I go to my deck, look out. I can hear a pin drop, no sirens and horns. I can smell the flowers, not ug. I can see for miles, but I don’t see 8 lane highways, super centre parking lots you could put a football stadium in. And not just one….they are everywhere….
So why I am paying for “your” lifestyle. It’s not me and my neighbors razing fields, sitting in grid lock polluting the air, send tonnes and tonnes of refuse to who knows where everyday.

and I think to myself. Wouldn’t it make way more sense to slap hefty taxes on those actually destroying the environment by postal code????? I mean if they can charge me more for Hydro based on my postal code……

Things I wonder about as I listen to the loons and look up at stars……..
Sure. Until of course you want that cancer treatment and end up at a University Health Hospital for the best care. And the research that got it there. Or anything you order off Amazon. And the supply chain that gets it there. Or any of your entertainment, whether sports, movies online, tv, books, news, etc. Which is filmed in larger cities.

I think get the idea.
 

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Yes. Because PP is more incompetent and a bigger nincompoop.
not possible



Neither do I, that's why you know this guy is a white supremacist.
i never called him a white supremacist.
you called both a white supremacist. & a conservative


Don't have to. He's not upset about what children can't do. He's upset about what "white children" can't do
You say maybe it's climate change. Sure. That only affects white kids? No, it would affect all kids. But he doesn't care about all kids.
and you base that on half a sentence you admit you could not hear clearly?

If you think it's ok to only care about white kids, then there's a term for you.
what a nasty accusation that is
what is wrong with you?


what part of "I do not define children by race" can you not understand ?


You can't protect yourself by telling your enemies what your defenses are. PPs own party members who know the details and how the security apparatus works are telling him this is a mistake. These aren't Liberals trying to cover something up, there's are Conservatives sitting on the committees.
interference in our election process by an authorities communist regime is an assault on democracy and pretty much the most important threat to national security, short of a shooting war

had the majority of the MPS targeted for influence been conservatives you can bet your last dollar Justin Trudeau would have exposed their names
A perfect example of Justin Trudeau prioritizing his political objectives over the integrity of our election process and national security



It's an independent body. For the PM to fire the BoC chairman is actually more of an overstep then the SNC-Lavalin affair.
its an independent body given its mandate by the government
firing somebody who failed to deliver on the responsibilities attached to a very important mandate is not an overstep, it is prudent and responsible

the SNC-Lavalin affair was not an overstep. that was a perversion of our justice system
he should have resigned over that scandal

You're delusional.
Harper ,Jean Chrétien Mulroney governed based on their principles with pragmatism , common sense overlayed & each strived for country unity
Trudeaus liberal party is not the liberal party of Jean Chrétien

You literally just defended him getting involved in a scandal so clearly you heard that part of he speech.
again what part of this do you not understand?
"yeah ok
The rest of us must have missed the speech where he said he will engage in scandals
I do not think you understand what a scandal is "

The Justice Minister is legitimately part of the PMs cabinet and there are reasons the PM might discuss issues with them. But Trudeau pushed it and given that it's supposed to be independent it was an obserstep. But the BoC is supposed to be even more independent than the Justice Minister, and to fire the chairman is a bigger scandal.
no a scandal is when a politician act to hide information or evidence of wrongdoing from the public
PP was quite open & transparent that he did not think Macklin acted quickly enough & this needs to be replaced
if a PM can freeze bank accounts of citizens he most certainly replace the governer of the bank of canada

Once again you know the future?
I am pretty confident he is due for another self-inflicted wound- after all he is a moron

But again, can you be objective? Can you say anything bad about PP or do you think he's a Saint?
he has done nothing to upset me
where as Justin Trudeau has an eight year track record of corruption, scandals and incompetence

Wtf are you talking about? I've said he's not fit for the job. Oh course he needs to go. Are you not reading anything?
PP as the next prime minister is part of the package with " Oh course he needs to go'
you do understand that's how a Canadian Prime Minister is removed from office , don't you?

there is only one way he will go, but you will not vote for PP
all you done is defend Trudeau as better than PP

that is either unbelievable foolish or you are not being honest
 

JohnLarue

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Few thoughts. Thoughts only.
Let’s move over to an alternative reality and accept that the NDP have all the best policies…enough to solve poverty, save the planet, reduce taxes, save the middle class.
there is a reason the NDP has never formed a Federal Govt
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Jagmeet Singh is a political joke
he rails against Trudeau , but still props Justin up

why your lot punted Mulcair for Jagmeet Singh is perplexing
 

Not getting younger

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Sure. Until of course you want that cancer treatment and end up at a University Health Hospital for the best care. And the research that got it there. Or anything you order off Amazon. And the supply chain that gets it there. Or any of your entertainment, whether sports, movies online, tv, books, news, etc. Which is filmed in larger cities.

I think get the idea.
You, are treading on very, very, thin ice. You might want to use that thing god gave you between your shoulders…Never know what people you have no clue about have been through…..

Because you are right. I have had to travel to Lakeridge health, ever week bringing my wife for chemo and radiation……….

idiot.
No doubt you will disappear without a word. Not even man enough to say ah man fuck how could I know..my bad…

And on that note.
Yeah, have to wonder about that. No doubt you think all the infrastructure that built the 416/905, that draws companies, as well as all the corporate welfare, so they can pay people lots of money. And governments then use those tax dollars for services…

what you think building the GTA was free?
I bet you do.. So who paid for all of that?
 
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Not getting younger

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there is a reason the NDP has never formed a Federal Govt
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Jagmeet Singh is a political joke
he rails against Trudeau , but still props Justin up

why your lot punted Mulcair for Jagmeet Singh is perplexing
More people that either don’t read, or have trouble grasping things. What gives you the idea I have ever, or will even vote NDP?If you’re going to take a shot at someone you might want some ammo. All that is is a blank.

is the average IQ here less than 100?

what part of “let’s move to an alternative reality” is above your reading level, Or intelligence level.
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