Tough Justin
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I've already admitted he's a useless tool. I'm not deflecting at all. I'm pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy of the right. Your point doesn't have to be my point. I didn't even post initially in reply to you; you replied to be.
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You just suck at reading and made assumptions. I literally said "the white supremacist". Singular. You tell me how I could've been more clear.
Lol The anti-Liberal in the video, the Conservative, was the one who made this about race. That's my point: sheer hypocrisy. Conservatives have been talking about the left always play victims, how they make everything about race, etc. Not we have Conservatives playing victims and making stuff about race. Which I'm ok with; sometimes people seem victims and sometimes things are about race. That's why I'm not a hypocrite. But if you're going to defend a guy playing the victim and making things about race after you've complained about that for years, than you're a hypocrite.
Sure doesn't. But then I never said it did. You're strawmanning.
And again, that's not up for dispute. It's a strawman.
I'm white I've got no shame. Are you feeling guilty about something? Can you name one thing white children aren't allowed to do?
I might. But you can't know that. You're not an Oracle.
PP said he's going to withdraw funding from universities who don't toe his line. That's ideology. PP had been advised by his own party members and the intelligence apparatus that a public enquiry into election interference poses a grave risk to national security but he's adamant he wants to do it anyway. That's ideology. PP has said he will overstep the PMs authority and fire the chair of the BoC. That's ideology.
PP, like JT and every other PM before him, will govern based on ideology. That's not new.
PP is a moron too
PP has already said he would do things which would overstep his authority. He doesn't even have the job and he's already telling us he'll engage in scandals to achieve his objectives regardless of what's good for Canada, and he's already supported things (ie Unfair Elections Act) that are bad for Canada because they achieve his objectives.
And PP doesn't smack of arrogance??? Have you never listened to him speak?
He's already committed to overstepping. Clearly he doesn't understand the responsibilities, or the power, of the office.
Time will tell. If he even wins.
What's crazy is I admit Trudeau sucks. Can you tell me reasons why you think PP sucks? Or are you so blinded you think he's going to be the first truly decent, honest, altruistic politician in history? Because if you can't, then you're not objective and there's no point talking.
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If PeePee wins the next election, he will do exactly what McCarthy is doing in the States.
He will no attempt to govern the country. Instead, he will hold endless sham "inquiries" into the Liberals being too woke and give tax breaks to his rich donors.
You can already tell this in advance. PeePee has no ideas, no platform, no solutions, no real opinions. It's all about blaming and anger-farming. That's all he will ever do. If he was a stand-up guy and not just a slimebag asshole, he would already have worked out a real platform and be contributing ideas. But he's a whiny little grifter.
I would have voted for O'Toole if I thought for a second that the CPC wouldn't have undermined him and destroyed him within a few months of him being elected. But O'Toole was a decent leader and an okay human being. And PeePee is neither of those two things.
Some things I’m left of center. Some right. Centrist? Maybe, depends on topic.
Brass tacks for me?
change.
Go back 30-40 years. Parties were kicked to the curb for lying. These days platforms mean shit. Not sure why anyone pays much attention to them. Scandals? Kicked to the curb for 600,000 or 6 million Ad scam.
See the same thing provincially.
Tae Harris? Booted quickly. McWynne?
There isn’t a party out there that holds a candle to their crap.
Trudeua.
SNC, WelE more I might mention.
That bar, just gets lower and lower and lower.
Why?
Because we let them. Why should any of them even try to be better if we don’t boot them..
People are afraid of change.better the devil you know. Really? Once we learn to do our jobs again and start holding them to account. Booting them…They’ll get the message. Want a second term? Earn it.
PP. I’ll be voting for him. No matter what useless platform they have.
“cough coug” small deficit, electoral reform, transparency.
yeah right
Brass tacks for me?
change.
Go back 30-40 years. Parties were kicked to the curb for lying. These days platforms mean shit. Not sure why anyone pays much attention to them. Scandals? Kicked to the curb for 600,000 or 6 million Ad scam.
See the same thing provincially.
Tae Harris? Booted quickly. McWynne?
There isn’t a party out there that holds a candle to their crap.
Trudeua.
SNC, WelE more I might mention.
That bar, just gets lower and lower and lower.
Why?
Because we let them. Why should any of them even try to be better if we don’t boot them..
People are afraid of change.better the devil you know. Really? Once we learn to do our jobs again and start holding them to account. Booting them…They’ll get the message. Want a second term? Earn it.
PP. I’ll be voting for him. No matter what useless platform they have.
“cough coug” small deficit, electoral reform, transparency.
yeah right
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I hear people say JT is dishonest and scandal plagued but the flip side of that is that as we get more partisan the opposition tries to make everything into a scandal and that devalues the word and its effect.
SNC - state what the scandal was, who personally profited and how far up and down the system went, include numbers and sources.
Then compare that to something like DoFo and the Greenbelt
Scandal - donors/developers request to buy greenbelt, donors get inside tips and buy greenbelt land, DoFo recategorizes it as residential
Who - Donor developers spent $278 million on greenbelt land, the profit yet to be tallied. Donors spent at least $500,000 on conservative 'donations'. Video is out of DoFo telling these donors before the public announcement.
Source:
Developers who bought Greenbelt land after Ford’s win set to profit | The Narwhal
Over half the parcels of land set to lose Ontario's Greenbelt protections include properties purchased since Ford was first elected
thenarwhal.ca
That is a classic political scandal.
SNC I'm not so sure.
Need to get rid of ANY party after 8ish years because the feather bedding, entitlement, and corruption just gets so bad a house cleaning is needed.
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If I thought anyone was actually serious about electoral reform they’d have my vote. Especially if part of that, was a two term limit like the US.
As much as I think they are messed up, they got that part right.
As much as I think they are messed up, they got that part right.
perhaps by not adding this trailer in the same paragraph right after you mentioned white supremacist"
You got caught & now you are back peddling
you just did again equating white supremacist & Conservative
and why do Liberals always make everything about race?
sure you did , you keep going back to the white supremacist & Conservative as you define it
you acknowledge Justin Trudeau's incompetence and his lack of intelligence , yet you still claim he is a better choice than PP
this classic denial by liberals
I am ashamed every time Justin Trudeau represents Canada
I do not define children by race
It is likely more about what all children are being subjected to ie. climate propaganda and gender identity nonsense
you have already admitted you did not hear the last part of your white supremacist / Conservative boggy man was saying
so you do not have a clue what he is upset about
but you are damn sure you hate it
No honestly
One could not possibly fuck things up worse than Justin Trudeau unless one intentionally decided to fuck things up
you mean universities who apply affirmative action, a flawed practice based on flawed ideology.
seems to me he is trying to remove ideology
good, interference by communist china is a massive risk to national security
no thats called protecting democracy from the commies
The bank of Canada is given its mandate by the government
the current governor Tiff Macklem fell asleep at wheel and allowed inflation to accelerate
price stability is the primary objective of the mandate
people get fired when they are given important responsibilities and then fall asleep at the wheel
no
Harper ,Jean Chrétien Mulroney governed based on their principles with pragmatism , common sense overlayed & each strived for country unity
Justin's thinking is one dimensional, does it fit his ideology?, overlayed by his political ambition to retain power
hardly
more importantly he is not Justin Trudeau
You do not seem to grasp the most important point
We can not continue to have a corrupt incompetent fool, continue to make messes
He has to go
PP is not Justin Trudeau
yeah ok
The rest of us must have missed the speech where he said he will engage in scandals
I do not think you understand what a scandal is
If he is going to take action, he will tell you
Justin prefers to deceive the public about his ongoing corruptions- BTW he is due for another self-inflicted wound soon
He does alright and will speak directly about an issue.
more importantly PP is not Justin Trudeau
BTW
Have you ever observed Justin Trudeau answer a direct question in the house of commons?
He does not
the house of commons where you are represented & expect to hear direct answers to direct questions - but He does not
he does, far better than Justin Trudeau who has an scandal filled 8 years track record to prove he doesn't understand the responsibilities, or the power, of the office
enough is enough, Justin Trudeau needs a different occupation
PP is not Justin Trudeau
well if you truly believe Trudeau is corrupt, incompetent and a moron, you had better hope PP wins
PP is not Justin Trudeau
There is not a human alive who does not have some issues
So far PP has done nothing that makes me upset
PP is not Justin Trudeau
PP is not Justin Trudeau
I am not one conflicted here
you truly believe Trudeau is corrupt, incompetent and a moron,, but you refuse to admit he needs to go
PP is not Justin Trudeau
there is there's no point talking if you refuse to admit he needs to go
that is either unbelievable foolish or you are not being honest
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That house cleaning will uncover a lot of dirt
Why do we let them? Because our FPTP lets them gain a majority with less than 40% of the vote.
Go for it then.
It would pretty much guarantee a lib/ndp minority for a long time.
I can “live” with that. Apathy is the devil. Voter turn out the last 20-30 years has hovered between 60-65%. Many say “what’s the point”.
The gripe about some Con, or some Lib or simply polls closing in Ontario. Election done while polls are just opening in Alberta/BC.
so those numbers, typically between 36-39% really don’t say a whole lot..woohoo JT won with “36% of the 60% that actually voted……Ditto for the Cons with 40%. The biggest problem with FPTP. Aside from regional differences…..who ever loses, whether con or liberal. Sucks to be you. You have no representation, no voice. Theoretically 100% of eligible voters could go out. 49% vote A, 51% vote B and getting a majority of seats. Sucks to be you A
FPTP was probably a decent system 60-100 years ago.Canada was still huge back then but very different.
The gripe about some Con, or some Lib or simply polls closing in Ontario. Election done while polls are just opening in Alberta/BC.
so those numbers, typically between 36-39% really don’t say a whole lot..woohoo JT won with “36% of the 60% that actually voted……Ditto for the Cons with 40%. The biggest problem with FPTP. Aside from regional differences…..who ever loses, whether con or liberal. Sucks to be you. You have no representation, no voice. Theoretically 100% of eligible voters could go out. 49% vote A, 51% vote B and getting a majority of seats. Sucks to be you A
FPTP was probably a decent system 60-100 years ago.Canada was still huge back then but very different.
Always been for proportional rep. Trudeau hid behind the skirt of a junior minister and a committe to justify
abandoning his promise proving he's just another slimeball politician. Ironically he hasn't won a majority since.
SMH at the NDP, they've had a golden opportunity to force the libs, only a matter of time before the NDP is irrelevant again in FPTP,
Jagmeet is a decent man but an incompetent politician.
Don't be so sure, the landscape will be different, cons will adapt and change (or die), there will always be left/center/right no matter what.
It's literally what I've said from the beginning.
No I didn't. Read better. And this is a Conservative making it about race. Hypocrites.
Yes. Because PP is more incompetent and a bigger nincompoop. There were a half dozen Cons I would've voted for, but none of them won the leadership race. The Cons instead put a guy in charge who caters to their populist die-hard base. Congrats, you appeased the people who were already going to vote for you no matter what. Morons.
Neither do I, that's why you know this guy is a white supremacist.
Don't have to. He's not upset about what children can't do. He's upset about what "white children" can't do. You say maybe it's climate change. Sure. That only affects white kids? No, it would affect all kids. But he doesn't care about all kids.
If you think it's ok to only care about white kids, then there's a term for you.
No, that's not what he's threatening.
You can't protect yourself by telling your enemies what your defenses are. PPs own party members who know the details and how the security apparatus works are telling him this is a mistake. These aren't Liberals trying to cover something up, there's are Conservatives sitting on the committees.
It's an independent body. For the PM to fire the BoC chairman is actually more of an overstep then the SNC-Lavalin affair.
You're delusional.
You literally just defended him getting involved in a scandal so clearly you heard that part of he speech. The Justice Minister is legitimately part of the PMs cabinet and there are reasons the PM might discuss issues with them. But Trudeau pushed it and given that it's supposed to be independent it was an obserstep. But the BoC is supposed to be even more independent than the Justice Minister, and to fire the chairman is a bigger scandal.
Once again you know the future?
I've watched PP not answer them either. PP asks his question and when he doesn't get an answer he says, "That's not what I asked" and repeats the question. I watched him not answer a question, and when he was told that wasn't what was asked, he said something to the effect of "I'm going to answer the question I want to answer, not the one you asked."
Wtf are you talking about? I've said he's not fit for the job. Oh course he needs to go. Are you not reading anything?
But again, can you be objective? Can you say anything bad about PP or do you think he's a Saint?
They will shed the far right and the populists as other parties become more viable for them. Their focus will narrow, they'll move back towards the center. They'd have a real shot. Fiscal Conservative but social Liberal defines the vast majority of Canadians and the pre-merger PC did that better than anyone.
Maybe after PeePee, he's too busy doing MAGA north. Whine, whine whine.
The bigger question is how do end the heavy partisanship and get back to big tent politics.
We're talking after FPTP is changed, if it's ever changed. PP never would've win the CPC leadership if we didn't have single member plurality. As it is he's not really a Conservative and probably wouldn't even stay with them. He didn't join the PCs afterall, he was Reform and only ended up in the CPC because of the merger.
I believe we'd see more conservative governments under any systems except for single member plurality (FPTP) and ranked ballot. Those are the two worse systems for Conservatives in Canada.
Few thoughts. Thoughts only.
Most parties….govern to a greater or lessor degree by their ideology. First and foremost though is he need to win enough seats. As Gerald Butts said during the JWR fiasco. “We can have the best policies, they do no good if we don’t win”…
And it’s absolutely true. Let’s move over to an alternative reality and accept that the NDP have all the best policies…enough to solve poverty, save the planet, reduce taxes, save the middle class.
if they aren’t in power……………
All parties will, have prioritized seats over anything else for about as long as I’ve been old enough to vote. These days it’s a pretty simple numbers game. And if you doubt how much we are data mined, to what extents they will go to win/hold seats, especially swing ridings ( cough cough ) that area where elections are won or lost….don’t know what to say.
The House: it’s a joke.
Pollievre does answer some. not all but more than….however with the bar now so low…when they do win and they will. The pendulum here always swings. My bet, it will be even worse.
Miss Jack Layton he’d torch them both.
Most parties….govern to a greater or lessor degree by their ideology. First and foremost though is he need to win enough seats. As Gerald Butts said during the JWR fiasco. “We can have the best policies, they do no good if we don’t win”…
And it’s absolutely true. Let’s move over to an alternative reality and accept that the NDP have all the best policies…enough to solve poverty, save the planet, reduce taxes, save the middle class.
if they aren’t in power……………
All parties will, have prioritized seats over anything else for about as long as I’ve been old enough to vote. These days it’s a pretty simple numbers game. And if you doubt how much we are data mined, to what extents they will go to win/hold seats, especially swing ridings ( cough cough ) that area where elections are won or lost….don’t know what to say.
The House: it’s a joke.
Pollievre does answer some. not all but more than….however with the bar now so low…when they do win and they will. The pendulum here always swings. My bet, it will be even worse.
Miss Jack Layton he’d torch them both.
So is that like calling anyone that questions immigration a racist and I’m not referring to that Quebecor. Anyone that questions “irregular” immigrants as xenophobic. Is that like telling an indigenous person at a swank Liberal fund raiser who just wanted clean drinking water “thanks for the donation”. Is that like telling and while I can’t remember it exactly there was a bad one he had to walk back shortly after not long ago….
To pretend JT hasn’t had monumental brain farts with some things and outright moments himself. Again they all do it. The problem with being todays woke. If you don’t see the world the way they do…you’re a b c. But when they do it. It’s ok.
Ps. Many liberals today. In politics and the public are raging bigots. Drives me nuts when people throw words like bigot, misogynist around without knowing what they actually mean.
Bigot
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Those who live in glass houses and all that.
not defending this specific incident btw…
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