Ukraine To Receive Military Support 'For As Long As It Takes'

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A two-day summit of European Union leaders dominated by talk of the Ukraine war and boosting defenses continued overnight on June 29-30 with a statement reiterating commitments "to provide sustainable military support to Ukraine for as long as it takes."

The leaders of the bloc's 27 members also said they "stand ready to contribute, together with partners, to future security commitments to Ukraine, which will help Ukraine defend itself in the long term, deter acts of aggression, and resist destabilization efforts."

A majority of the EU's members are also in NATO, and the transatlantic alliance is expected to seek ways to provide nonmember Ukraine additional security guarantees but stop short of full Ukrainian membership at an upcoming NATO summit on July 11-12.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg joined the EU summit and highlighted perceived weaknesses in Russia's leadership that spilled into the open during the June 24 mutiny by Wagner leader Yevgeny Prighozhin and thousands of his mercenaries.

"The mutiny we saw at the weekend demonstrates that there are cracks and divisions within the Russian system," Stoltenberg said. "At the same time, it is important to underline that these are internal Russian matters."

Speaking by video link to the EU gathering, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the recent failed mutiny by the Wagner mercenary group in Russia demonstrated the country's "weakness," adding that this will aid Kyiv in its fight against Moscow's brutal 15-month-old invasion.

"We are seeing their weakness, which we so badly need," he said.

"The weaker Russia is, and the more its bosses fear mutinies and uprisings, the more they will fear to irritate us. Russia's weakness will make it safe for others," he added.
The comments come as Kyiv has said it is making gains in "fierce" fighting in the country's east but also as deadly Russian shelling continues to take a toll on the civilian population in Ukraine.

Zelenskiy has pushed both for additional military aid, especially advanced fighter jets, and NATO membership for his country.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz told reporters ahead of the summit that "it's important that we consult and say we're ready to hold on for the long term, with financial and humanitarian support that's necessary for Ukraine but also when it comes to weapons."

In a reference to the June 24 Wagner rebellion, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell warned ahead of the summit that "a weakened Putin is a greater danger," adding that "Now we have to look at Russia as a risk because of internal instability."

Since launching a counteroffensive earlier in June, Ukraine says it has reasserted control over clusters of villages in the southeast.

The claims could not be independently verified.

 

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Wait I thought Ukraine was going to fall this summer and the west was going to give up on them... he said sarcastically.
 

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Wait I thought Ukraine was going to fall this summer and the west was going to give up on them... he said sarcastically.
Shhhhhh, let them have their opinion. One learns from their mistakes, sometimes.

Just like you one day even you will embrace the Beib!!!
 

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China is loving this.
They are just sitting back watching the West burn through their weapons before they invade Taiwan.
China will be fully stocked and ready to go and the West will be low on weapons and public won't support another major conflict.
 
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China is loving this.
They are just sitting back watching the West burn through their weapons before they invade Taiwan.
China will be fully stocked and ready to go and the West will be low on weapons and public won't support another major conflict.
The west has been holding back enough.
The USAF and Navy is hardly touching or not touching their assets and those will be the big deal breakers of a Chinese invasion.
ALso in terms of land assets the US has fuck tones in reserve and they are ramping up ammo production if anything, end result would be even a more robust ability to respond if they keep the new production ability on line, at least in the medium run.
So not a bad thought but I don't see it going down that way.

There are also a lot of other issues involving invading Taiwan. The lack of lift capacity, the USN and AF doing a blockade, even sanctions. China seems to be in a bit of an Economic tizzy and sanctions would make things much worse. Yeah it would fuck us up as well, but people are saying that the Communist party has an unspoken agreement that they get to stay in power in exchange for stability and reasonable prosperity. Fuck with that and their ability to stay in power becomes questionable and they know it. You lose an election life goes on, you get overthrown and it's either death or Holiday in North Korea [better than Cambodia but still]. Also Taiwan has a load of reservists, granted they are barely trained, but a lot of Taiwan is a rough terrain which seems purpose built for some damn dirty ape warfare.

The more we go balls deep for Ukraine, the more it should scare off China from trying anything with Taiwan. Never mind that Taiwan is more useful as a distraction boogyman. Sure it would be wonderful if they could take the Island but not at the best case scenario cost.
 
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Shhhhhh, let them have their opinion. One learns from their mistakes, sometimes.

Just like you one day even you will embrace the Beib!!!
1; This is the Internet, nobody learns from their mistakes and even if they did they would never admit it.
2: I will never embrace the Beib unless it's with my hands around the neck of the First Evil.
 

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Israeli Prime Minister rejects calls to arm Ukraine with Iron Dome
June 29, 2023

Despite appeals from Washington and Ukrainian officials, Israel stands firm in its decision not to allow the transfer of the Iron Dome system to Ukraine, fearing it would fall into Iranian hands.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has dismissed appeals from some Washington lawmakers and Ukrainian officials to join Western efforts to arm Ukraine, specifically approving the transfer of the “Iron Dome” air defense system. Netanyahu commented to the Wall Street Journal that Israeli weaponry could be captured on the battlefield in Ukraine and ultimately end up in the hands of Iranians, who have recently established closer military ties with Russia.

Netanyahu stated that Israel cannot allow the US to provide Ukraine with the Iron Dome system, which was jointly developed with the United States.

Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel, Yevhen Korniychuk, dismissed fears that the weaponry would supposedly fall into Iranian hands as “completely fabricated and speculative assumptions.”

Last year, Defense Minister Reznikov said that the Iron Dome would not be effective in Ukraine as it does not protect against cruise and ballistic missiles.

A few days ago, US Senators Chris Van Hollen and Lindsey Graham urged the Senate Armed Forces Committee to assist in strengthening Ukraine’s air defense, particularly with Iron Dome systems. The senators are not asking Israel to give up its air defense batteries but want the country to allow the US to transfer American systems.

 

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Australia announces another $110 million for US-NATO proxy war in Ukraine
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26 June 2023

The Australian Labor government yesterday announced a further $110 million in aid to Ukraine, taking the total so far to $790 million in a little over a year. The government is continuing to bill Australia as one of the most significant non-NATO contributors to the Ukraine war effort.

Announcing the latest spend, senior Labor politicians, including Foreign Minister Penny Wong, highlighted that $10 million of the funding was going to United Nations “humanitarian operations.” Even if this were the case, $100 million, or more than 90 percent, is being allocated directly to weapons of war.

The pledge for more military assistance comes amid a Ukrainian counter-offensive that is resulting in the deaths of up to 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers a day. The disastrous operation, with Ukrainian youths and conscripts treated as cannon fodder, is being ever-more openly directed by the US and NATO, which provoked the war and have used it to advance long-standing plans for a conflict with Russia.

Defence Minister Richard Marles said: “Australia continues to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes for Ukraine to resolve this conflict on its own terms.”

That is a declaration, in line with the Biden administration’s position, that there will be no negotiated settlement to the war. Instead, it will be fought to the last Ukrainian, with the aim of inflicting a major defeat on Russia, which is viewed as an obstacle to the untrammeled pursuit of American imperialist interests globally.

The latest shipment will include 70 military vehicles, including 28 M113 armoured vehicles, 14 Special Operations Vehicles, trucks and trailers. News reports have indicated that previous deliveries of Australian Bushmaster military vehicles are being used extensively on the battlefield. This is not indirect military aid, therefore, but direct Australian participation in the counter-offensive and the hostilities against Russian forces.

In addition, Australia will send an undisclosed amount of ammunition. In the past, Australian governments have also dispatched rifles. The precise destination of the weapons remains unclear. It appeared likely that at least some of the rifles were going to end up with volunteer and irregular Ukrainian units, many of which are infested with fascist and Nazi elements.

The announcement was couched in aggressive militarism. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese proclaimed that the Ukrainian forces “continue to show great courage in the face of Russia’s illegal, unprovoked and immoral war.”

Australia has participated in every illegal, unprovoked US war of the past eighty years, from Korea to Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia’s reactionary invasion, moreover, was plainly provoked by the decades-long eastward expansion of NATO, and the transformation of Ukraine into a hostile garrison state on Russia’s border.

Albanese’s comments form part of a broader pattern, with the Australian government increasingly dispensing with even a pretence of diplomacy in its attitude to Russia. The new shipment was unveiled a week after the parliament came together to pass extraordinary legislation barring the construction of a new Russian embassy in Canberra on nebulous “national security” grounds.

Albanese touted the fact that: “We are continuing to train Ukrainian forces in the United Kingdom, and we will continue to engage with Ukraine for as long as it takes to support President Zelenskyy and the people of Ukraine in this struggle.”

It remains unclear precisely which forces Australia is training, and in what. Again, the question of fascistic paramilitaries that are prominent in Ukraine is raised, but not answered.

The announcement of the shipment, despite its bellicose framing, received a mixed response. The opposition Liberal-National Coalition condemned the package as inadequate. The most hawkish sections of the media adopted a similar line.

Media reports had indicated discussions of even more extensive weapons shipments. There was talk of Hawkei armored vehicles, which are capable of transporting a major Norwegian-American air defence system. Marles indicated that these would not be forthcoming, based on unspecified advice.

Media reports earlier in the month also revealed advanced discussions between the Labor government, the US administration and the Ukrainian regime about the dispatch of Australian Hornet fighter jets to Kiev. That would be a vast escalation of the conflict, with US and NATO leaders previously admitting that the deployment of Western military aircraft could be a direct prelude to a world war.

In any event, the escalatory trajectory, and Labor’s full commitment to it, are clear. Albanese will attend the NATO summit in Lithuania next month, planning the next stages of the Ukraine war. Previous such visits have been accompanied by announcements of military aid, so Labor is likely keeping some of the big-ticket items up its sleeve for unveiling next month.

Australia’s role in the conflict, despite its geographical distance from the battlefield, again underscores the fact that the Ukraine war is increasingly morphing into a global confrontation. As it is committing hundreds of millions to the front in eastern Europe, Labor is playing a central role as an attack dog for Washington’s aggressive confrontation with China in the Indo-Pacific.

This has included hectoring and bullying countries throughout the region, as well as embarking on the biggest Australian military build-up in post-World War II history.

Australia’s involvement was also underlined by a report last week in the Australian. It revealed that Albanese will visit Germany on July 10, for talks with Chancellor Olaf Scholz, prior to the July 11-12 NATO summit. They will reportedly “discuss closer military ties and co-operation on critical minerals and technologies.”

Australia and the US have struck a far-reaching deal on critical minerals, aimed at guaranteeing US supply in a sector heavily-dominated by China. The US and Europe have reached a similar deal. The arrangements have the character of a wartime bloc, with national economies being readied for major conflict.

A huge arms export from Australia to Germany is being finalised. As per the Australian: “German-owned Rheinmetall is working on a deal to supply its home country with an extra 150 Boxer combat reconnaissance vehicles built at its Brisbane-plant, on top of an earlier 123-vehicle export pledge. The proposal to sell Boxers to Germany would lift the value of the planned transaction to about $6.5bn, a source said, making it Australia’s largest defence export deal by a wide margin.”

Even the Murdoch-owned publication acknowledged that the deal is in the context of a massive German remilitarisation. That, like the similar rearmament underway in Japan, evokes the worst horrors of the 20th century.

All these military preparations are being conducted behind the backs of the population. The vast aid packages to Ukraine, now approaching a billion dollars, are simply announced, without even a figleaf of democratic discussion or debate. So it was with Labor’s announcement of a $368 billion AUKUS program for Australia to acquire US and UK nuclear-powered submarines for use against China.

While there are almost limitless funds for war, Labor, together with the entire ruling elite, is insisting that workers must accept “sacrifice” in the face of the worst cost-of-living crisis in decades.

 

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Israeli Prime Minister rejects calls to arm Ukraine with Iron Dome
June 29, 2023

Despite appeals from Washington and Ukrainian officials, Israel stands firm in its decision not to allow the transfer of the Iron Dome system to Ukraine, fearing it would fall into Iranian hands.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has dismissed appeals from some Washington lawmakers and Ukrainian officials to join Western efforts to arm Ukraine, specifically approving the transfer of the “Iron Dome” air defense system. Netanyahu commented to the Wall Street Journal that Israeli weaponry could be captured on the battlefield in Ukraine and ultimately end up in the hands of Iranians, who have recently established closer military ties with Russia.

Netanyahu stated that Israel cannot allow the US to provide Ukraine with the Iron Dome system, which was jointly developed with the United States.

Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel, Yevhen Korniychuk, dismissed fears that the weaponry would supposedly fall into Iranian hands as “completely fabricated and speculative assumptions.”

Last year, Defense Minister Reznikov said that the Iron Dome would not be effective in Ukraine as it does not protect against cruise and ballistic missiles.

A few days ago, US Senators Chris Van Hollen and Lindsey Graham urged the Senate Armed Forces Committee to assist in strengthening Ukraine’s air defense, particularly with Iron Dome systems. The senators are not asking Israel to give up its air defense batteries but want the country to allow the US to transfer American systems.

I can understand Netanyahu's concern, he does have a legitimate security concern. I believe the US is sending modified Abraham tanks to not allow certain technology to fall into the evil Soviet's hands.

Australia announces another $110 million for US-NATO proxy war in Ukraine
Oscar Grenfell
26 June 2023

The Australian Labor government yesterday announced a further $110 million in aid to Ukraine, taking the total so far to $790 million in a little over a year. The government is continuing to bill Australia as one of the most significant non-NATO contributors to the Ukraine war effort.



Good on Australia supporting a sovereign country to be able to defend their land from a tyrannical want to be a "superpower". Imagine Russia had no nukes, they would have been decimated by the US a long time ago. Probably within the 3 days Putin thought he would roll over Ukraine.

Hey Oil, the US is considering sending cluster munitions to Ukraine to help in the counter-offensive. Imagine what that will do to the entrenched Russians and how many more will surrender in droves?



The U.S. is leaning toward providing cluster munitions to Ukraine, and the announcement could come as early next month, two senior U.S. officials said.

A third U.S. official said the U.S. is considering providing dual purpose improved conventional munitions, or DPICMs, to Ukraine but declined to provide any timeline for an announcement.


DPICMs are surface-to-surface warheads that explode and disperse multiple small munitions or bombs over wide areas — bringing more widespread destruction than single rounds. The rounds can be shape charges that penetrate armored vehicles, or they can shatter or fragment to be more dangerous and deadly for personnel.
 

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1; This is the Internet, nobody learns from their mistakes and even if they did they would never admit it.
2: I will never embrace the Beib unless it's with my hands around the neck of the First Evil.
You are too cruel to the Beeb. I saw him loyally attend Maple Leafs playoff games with an Auston Matthews sweater and look confused and depressed as the Leafs lost yet another playoff round. My heart went out to him. For even the evil and wicked have their sorrows.
 

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You are too cruel to the Beeb. I saw him loyally attend Maple Leafs playoff games with an Auston Matthews sweater and look confused and depressed as the Leafs lost yet another playoff round. My heart went out to him. For even the evil and wicked have their sorrows.
I think we all need to go for some Tim Beib and corner Ndoc into a booth for an intervention.

 
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China is loving this.
They are just sitting back watching the West burn through their weapons before they invade Taiwan.
China will be fully stocked and ready to go and the West will be low on weapons and public won't support another major conflict.
You really think if China and the US went to war the little shit weapons being used in Ukraine will matter?? there will be no ground fighting,, just a lot of nuke threats, like who wants to end the world first..
 

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China is loving this.
They are just sitting back watching the West burn through their weapons before they invade Taiwan.
China will be fully stocked and ready to go and the West will be low on weapons and public won't support another major conflict.
The Chinese are not going to invade Taiwan anytime soon. They don't have the military equipment capability to do an amphibious invasion without huge losses. Taiwan has one generation less the USA ewuipment.

Don't get me wrong, they could throw enough bodies in the long run to win. But the loss would be catastrophic. More importantly would be the loss of trade that would occur. All for an island that beyond its chip manufacturinghas little strategic value compared to the cost to take it. Remember China has to import food, fuel and craploads of basics. If sanctions go up they literally(unlike Russia) couldn't feed their population.
 

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Dude. They sent in WW2 era tanks strapped with explosives and a video game remote control to try to break Ukrainian lines. It was destroyed with no effort.
They may well be about a year from throwing rocks
i bet someone told the Germans the same thing in 1942

Russia's defense industry employs 2.5 – 3 million people and accounts for 20% of all manufacturing jobs in Russia.
i would not count on the Russians running out of weapons
 
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i bet someone told the Germans the same thing in 1942

Russia's defense industry employs 2.5 – 3 million people and accounts for 20% of all manufacturing jobs in Russia.
i would not count on the Russians running out of weapons
Unfortunately the dimwits on here are incapable of critical thinking.

They get all their info from twitter.

Germany and France are still buying energy from Russia and it will never stop.
 

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You are too cruel to the Beeb. I saw him loyally attend Maple Leafs playoff games with an Auston Matthews sweater and look confused and depressed as the Leafs lost yet another playoff round. My heart went out to him. For even the evil and wicked have their sorrows.
Or maybe he is trying to encourage people to become fans of the leafs knowing they will keep disapointing bringing sadness and productivity will go down down down. Yeah that's the ticket.
 
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