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I spent some time in that building.

Samuel Bronfman made his fortune "selling" liquor. He really wanted to be the first Jewish Canadian senator but was denied that honour (David Croll was the first).
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Samuel Bronfman Building (mcgill.ca)
 
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Kautilya said:
Right wing Canadians will celebrate it, because it is the closest they can come to experiencing their right wing utopia.
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Canadian universities never had (officially) affirmative action. So, no need to get rid of something that never existed. However, some Canadian universities did have a quota on Jewish students but that was before my time.
 
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Darts said:
Canadian universities never had (officially) affirmative action. So, no need to get rid of something that never existed. However, some Canadian universities did have a quota on Jewish students but that was before my time.
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waterloo is a good example of merit trumping race
 
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Kautilya said:
IQ tests don't mean much as they are just standardized tests that test math, data or pattern interpretation etc., which is academic at best. This has nothing to do with problem solving abilities or success later on in life.

Example 1:

It is generally agreed that Einstein was a genius and had a very high IQ. If you were to take Einstein however and put him in the African bush, he will probably end up dead by morning, when tribals who live in the region know how to survive. Aka, they know how to problem solve in that environment better than Einstein. The same tribals would probably score very low on an actual IQ test because they are uneducated and therefore don't know math or fare poorly at the modern workplace.

Example 2:

From my own personal life. There was this guy I used to go to school with and was in the same class from kindergarten to 12th grade, back in India where I grew up. He was not that smart and he did not really score that well in school. Fast forward to today, he is now a music composer (we did not have any idea he had any music skills when we were in school) in the Indian film industry. Drives a lambo and makes approx. $5M a year, way ahead of the rest of us who consistently had higher scores than him. I would show you his wiki page, but I will refrain in order to maintain discretion.
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if a recruit has a low IQ the US Army finds him/ her counterproductive and punts him/ her
Source of 83 IQ Minimum for the US military? : r/JordanPeterson (reddit.com)
 
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toguy5252 said:
Legacies simply insure that schools remain the domain of "our kind of people".
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do not be ridiculous
legacy admissions are incentives to have alumni contribute $ to the school
that is big $ in the US

Why would you want to exclude race, gender and many other criteria.
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because race, gender are both irrelevant to judging a persons character

Not sure why I have to keep repeating that marks alone do not make the best candidate for anything and marks today are culturally biased.
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Not sure why you feel you need to repeat falsehoods
 
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I sense a certain level of hypocrisy with certain posters, who don’t like affirmative action, because it might give a university spot to a visible minority, but they are just fine with legacy students who may not be as qualified taking a spot from a more qualified student.
 
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Nathan 88 said:
www.theguardian.com

How elite US schools give preference to wealthy and white 'legacy' applicants

A lawsuit focused on race-conscious admissions at Harvard has added fuel to a fiery debate about wealth and privilege at elite institutions
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that legacy students are not getting in on merit alone. Next you will be suggesting that the child of someone who endows a building or makes a large contribution is not being admitted on merit alone. Say it ain't so.
 
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Nathan 88 said:
I sense a certain level of hypocrisy with certain posters, who don’t like affirmative action, because it might give a university spot to a visible minority, but they are just fine with legacy students who may not be as qualified taking a spot from a more qualified student.
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How about addressing and getting rid of both?
 
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How many (or few) legacy students are there? Don't they usually end up working in their family business?
 
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Nathan 88 said:
I sense a certain level of hypocrisy with certain posters, who don’t like affirmative action, because it might give a university spot to a visible minority, but they are just fine with legacy students who may not be as qualified taking a spot from a more qualified student.
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affirmative action is driven by ideology and virtue signaling

legacy placements is driven by self interest of alumni, their kids & the universities

imagine the delight of a successful alumni who has been donating $100,000 / year to his alma mater to hear the school reject his kids application while the same school supports affirmative action

just as soon as your ideology and virtue signaling can provide the funding for a new science building or endowment scholarships you might have a real argument
 
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