In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

[basketcase]

jcpro's ideas are extreme, but not that far from mainstream there.
...

Hmm. Less than 5% of Israelis support that racists in Ben Gvir's party. Almost 50% of Palestinians support the racists of Hamas (last time they allowed an election).

It's pretty typical that you condemn Jewish racists while embracing Palestinian racists.


Speaking of all the same...

Shin Bet says it foiled Hadera bus bombing by Umm al-Fahm man recruited by Hamas

Agency alleges Muhammed Nadir Mahajneh was suffering financial pressure and mental distress before he was directed by Gaza-ruling terror group to carry out attack

www.timesofisrael.com

But at the same time some major differences...

3 Golani soldiers sentenced to jail for beating Palestinian man

IDF says trial of main suspect ongoing; two troops sent to prison for 60 days, third given 40 days and trio all demoted to private

www.timesofisrael.com

When was the last time the PA or Hamas jailed someone for attacks on Jews?

 

[jcpro]

I'm hopeful that without the insane rhetoric from those invested in hate, the average people will just get on with their lives. All you and franky are doing is trying to justify hateful violence.

You're hopelessly stuck in the past. The reality of today is that there's NO ONE to talk to in Gaza, not one entity that would dare to move the "peace process " forward. And it goes for the Territories as well. Abbas cannot make ANY deal with Israel because he doesn't represent anyone, he can't even hold elections. It's him and his cronies clinging to power while Hamas and Islamic Jihad are waiting for his death to take over. I don't hate the Palestinian Arabs, I simply don't believe that they deserve another chance from us, after they spat in our faces every time Israel tried to make peace. So, you go ahead and continue to "reason" with antisemites, quote them statistics, sources and even give history lessons. But, buddy, if it's anything but entertainment, you're wasting your time. They're irredeemable human debris laughing in your face.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm hopeful that without the insane rhetoric from those invested in hate, the average people will just get on with their lives. All you and franky are doing is trying to justify hateful violence.

By 'get on with their lives' you mean more 'death to Arab' marches to Al Aqsa and more colonization, land theft and settler colonialism, correct?
More of getting on with apartheid rule.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661205125300465665

 

[Frankfooter]

Have you actually read it?

The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.
...
The position toward Occupation and political solutions
18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.


But sure, back a group that admits they are a theocratically motivated supremacist group.

And then there's that whole thing about them refusing to be part of negotiations.

p.s. Pretty funny that you demand the Palestinians accept a One State peace that they hate then go on about Hamas wanting a Two State peace.

Funny that you now think the two state solution is evil.
Hamas:
However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

Meanwhile you think even saying 'Free Palestine' is antisemitic, support every new settlement, support every attack on Palestinians, are against the implementation of international law and really, really hate the idea of Palestinians gaining equal rights.

Hamas now has a much more progressive view than you and certainly way more than jcpro. Regardless, how are you going to get a two state solution done when only 32% of the occupying country supports it?

Most Israelis do not support a two-state solution, new poll shows

According to the results, 58 percent of Jewish Israelis opposed such a move, with another 11 percent undecided

www.middleeasteye.net

Israeli-Palestinian poll shows support for two-state solution at all-time low

***

www.haaretz.com

 

[Klatuu]

You're hopelessly stuck in the past. The reality of today is that there's NO ONE to talk to in Gaza, not one entity that would dare to move the "peace process " forward. And it goes for the Territories as well. Abbas cannot make ANY deal with Israel because he doesn't represent anyone, he can't even hold elections. It's him and his cronies clinging to power while Hamas and Islamic Jihad are waiting for his death to take over. I don't hate the Palestinian Arabs, I simply don't believe that they deserve another chance from us, after they spat in our faces every time Israel tried to make peace. So, you go ahead and continue to "reason" with antisemites, quote them statistics, sources and even give history lessons. But, buddy, if it's anything but entertainment, you're wasting your time. They're irredeemable human debris laughing in your face.

Clueless

 

[Klatuu]

Thanks skippy.


Has anyone (other than JC) justified that kind of racist violence the way you and franky do with racist violence from Palestinians?

That’s easy grandpa, you.

 

[Klatuu]

The Nakba….but not what was taught to Zionists ….they received a fictitious history completely based on anti Palestinian bigotry.

UK study of 1948 Israeli massacre of Palestinian village reveals mass grave sites

Researchers analysed cartographic data and aerial photos to identify three possible locations in former fishing village Tantura

www.theguardian.com

 

[Frankfooter]

The Nakba….but not what was taught to Zionists ….they received a fictitious history completely based on anti Palestinian bigotry.

UK study of 1948 Israeli massacre of Palestinian village reveals mass grave sites

Researchers analysed cartographic data and aerial photos to identify three possible locations in former fishing village Tantura

www.theguardian.com

The Nabka is ongoing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1659298185238532100

 

[basketcase]

By 'get on with their lives' you mean...

Still trying to live down where you pretended PIJ's war crime rocket commanders are innocent civilians but a woman driving her kids to visit others is a terrorist?

 

[basketcase]

Funny that you now think the two state solution is evil.
...

Wow your attempts are getting ever more dumb.

Palestinians (including Hamas) hate the One State farce you want them forced into. I, Canada, and the UN (who you pretend to endorse) say that a negotiated Two State peace is the only practicable way forward.



And yes, when you support targeting Canadian, American, or British Jews because you don't like Israel, you are supporting the basest anti-semitism. You know that targeting Muslims over dislike of what other Muslims do is extremely racist but you have a completely different view when it's Jews.

 

[basketcase]

You're hopelessly stuck in the past. The reality of today is that there's NO ONE to talk to in Gaza...

Of course not. Same as in the PA.

That doesn't change my hope that the Palestinian people will one day decide that their leaders are interested in nothing other than enriching themselves by propagating the conflict.

Israeli Arabs, the descendants of people who chose to peaceably live in Israel, want to remain Israeli despite the systemic racism in the country. Palestinians who don't want to live with Jews should have that opportunity though.

Israeli-Palestinian poll shows support for two-state solution at all-time low

***

www.haaretz.com

Yet still there is even less support for them being forced into living with Jews.

 

[basketcase]

That’s easy grandpa, you.

Thanks skippy.


Has anyone (other than JC) justified that kind of racist violence the way you and franky do with racist violence from Palestinians?

 

[Frankfooter]

Still trying to live down where you pretended PIJ's war crime rocket commanders are innocent civilians but a woman driving her kids to visit others is a terrorist?

The zionist woman, illegal settler, driving her kid, a volunteer in service?
Maybe they are both militants, and maybe both killings are war crimes that disproportionately killed civilians.

The only way to know is to support 3rd party investigations and both sides being held to international law.
So why won't you?

We both know why: because you know Israel commits far more war crimes and crimes against humanity.
You are afraid of Israel being held to the law almost as much as you are afraid of the demographics.
Instead you're just left defending apartheid again and again.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow your attempts are getting ever more dumb.

Palestinians (including Hamas) hate the One State farce you want them forced into. I, Canada, and the UN (who you pretend to endorse) say that a negotiated Two State peace is the only practicable way forward.

No, the two state solution is dead.
Killed by the settlements or 'facts on the ground' you keep claiming aren't the problem.

The apartheid one state solution is in place.
So now its time to support BDS to end apartheid and implement equal rights.

And yes, when you support targeting Canadian, American, or British Jews because you don't like Israel, you are supporting the basest anti-semitism. You know that targeting Muslims over dislike of what other Muslims do is extremely racist but you have a completely different view when it's Jews.

Tell us again how you think Israel killing American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was justified.
Tell us again why you think every Palestinian killed during the Great March of Return deserved to die.

The only way to end the violence is to end the apartheid occupation.
You can be part of the solution, not the problem.

 

[jcpro]

That doesn't change my hope that the Palestinian people will one day decide that their leaders are interested in nothing other than enriching themselves by propagating the conflict.

Israeli-Palestinian poll shows support for two-state solution at all-time low

***

www.haaretz.com

Yet still there is even less support for them being forced into living with Jews.

That's a nice sentiment, one shared by Dyan and Golda, a long, long time ago. Even by me. Of course it will never become a reality.

 

[Frankfooter]

That's a nice sentiment, one shared by Dyan and Golda, a long, long time ago. Even by me. Of course it will never become a reality.

Yes, the two state solution is dead.

 

[Klatuu]

Yes, the two state solution is dead.

The two state solution was always a fiction used to buy time to continue the Nakba - instituting apartheid and committing ethnic cleansing.

 

[Klatuu]

Death squads.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662152449778491392

 

[Klatuu]

The Nakba continues. Systematic and structural racism to ethnically cleanse Palestinians. The settlers and IDF are two tools used by this systematic racism.

Under settler terror, Palestinians tear down and flee their village

Twenty-seven Palestinian families made the devastating decision to leave their homes in 'Ein Samia, hounded out by Israeli settlers and army pressure.

www.972mag.com

 

[Frankfooter]

The Nabka continues.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662265467161964544

Zionism is the problem, not the Jewish people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662472580165427200