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Its still not clear it was sunk, but there is this.
Russia posted these photos but some are saying its not the same ship.
Its still unclear.
ROTFLMFAO!!!! If Russia uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine, America/NATO will do EXACTLY nothing.
You're really losing it, jc.
Is it the concussion?
Under what circumstances, pray tell, would NATO "retaliate " in kind, if Russia used nukes in Ukraine?????
Not really a counter-point as "never get defeated on the battlefield" is not a measure of seizing objectives, and also wrong. Battle of FSB Ripcord, Battle of LZ Albany, Operation Lam Son 719, etc. The US was defeated on the battlefield. They won every MAJOR engagement, sure. But they were definitely defeated on the battlefield a few times. But again, if those engagements don't achieve your objectives, you fail.
It's like the "lost cause" argument in the civil war: the claim that the South had a super military based on the early victories. You have to achieve your objectives to win and the South was defeated, so the lost cause argument is pointless.
By that same token, did the US remove the VC? No. Did they prevent the unification of Vietnam under a socialist state? No. Did they capture and hold the key strongholds? No. There is no metric by which Vietnam was not a defeat other than "the US killed more of them". But if that's your argument, are you saying Nazi Germany won against the Soviet Union? A Pyrrhic victory is still a victory.
I'm not going to get into a debate about what certain people may or may not have wanted as it's irrelevant to the topic. The fact is that the US lost Vietnam and I'm not sure why Canadians are arguing so hard to protect fragile American egos. Even for Americans, the important thing is to learn from your losses which they absolutely did and is the main reason why they haven't lost, even in similar asymmetric warfare, since.
If the ship is back in port then why is it that on airtracker Forte10 is still surveying the attack area at 1:21 pm Mar 26.
This morning there was a Turkish helicopter in the area as well.
Now overlay the above with the below and tell me why there would be (identified by the blue dots and blue ship shape) 7 tugs and special craft in the area of the strike due North of Zonguldak as well.
1: South VIetnam fell because the Americans lost interest.
2: When they did leave nam the south was mostly cleared of VC. Pacification did work.
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Pacification, once it had been fully
fleshed out, freed South Vietnam from communist subversion and forced the communists to
broker a peace with the United States and to carry out mass military offensives against South
Vietnam as they could no longer win by soft power and ideology. "
I've read similar elsewhere in actual books.
It was a long conflict and the Yanks eventually figured it out after many mistakes.
Also this rando makes a similar point
Letter: The U.S. didn’t lose the Vietnam War
I enjoyed reading Barbara Sweet’s July 4th article Vietnamese boat siblings “
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• No military movement across the DMZ.
• Would not use force of any kind to unify the country.
Sounds like a win to me. It didn't hold, but again, lost interest.
By the time the US left, South Vietnam was pretty much pacified and the VC couldn't do shit.
The yanks left with a treaty, the North upped the logistics unmolested by air attacks and in time launched a full on conventional attack.
The Americans were not beat by peasants in Pajamas, they beat them, they signed a treaty and lost interest allowing the North to go in and run over the South.
What is odd is that it is VERY hard to actually find this information on line, or maybe my google fu is shit.
It was the US that drove North Vietnam to the treaty table and had them agree to stop. The US was not drivin out of South VIetnam by combat, they just lost interest.
Just like Afghanistan. They were clearly in control, they just lost interest. Sometimes that is the right response.
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This was a bigger one.
Battle of Chosin Reservoir - Wikipedia
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Battle of Kasserine Pass - Wikipedia
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After they got over the shock, they drove the north et al back to the current DMZ and then lost interest in doing another dug out doug. But technically they went in to clear the south and they did.
As for the second one, well shit happens with noobs.
Also Guam, Wake [although they did very well there], probably come up with more if I was more sex nuts and retard strong over US military history.
Great thing about the Civil War is, no matter how bad either side did, still counts as a win for 'merica!
You do know that one can do something to retaliate without using nukes right?
"b) General Petraeus : "Any use of tactical nukes, the US would use conventional weapons to destroy every Russian military asset including the Black Sea fleet" Russia loses quicker if it uses nukes"
I guess this is where you respond with ROTFLMFAO like some sort of manic mentally ill person for establishing both your lack of understanding and your inability to read... because being shown up is just so funny???
Just looking forward to the day when you react to something honestly and show some self awareness that you are out of your depth.
Fact, the US can respond to nukes, not in kind,
2: At least one US general has explained how in a post above your comments.
An adult would admit they were wrong/mispoke, a child would respond with laughter.
Really? ROTFLMFAO!!!! America would attack Russia? Conventional weapons or not, that will kick off WW3 that can only end one way. Good explanation.
According to addyski, that is all fake msm propaganda!
Russia is the only source of information that history has shown is accurate and pravda!
Really? ROTFLMFAO!!!! America would attack Russia? Conventional weapons or not, that will kick off WW3 that can only end one way. Good explanation.
You really should get in touch with some country's military and offer them your astute, always certain, analysis.
And when they tell you that only fools are certain, you can tell them you are certain you are no fool.
That's what I think would happen. If Russia escalates and uses a tactical nuke to 'show zey myean beeeeznyezz,' , the US would then realize that Russia is even more in need of a little tickle... like sinking their entire Black Sea fleet.
Certain about what? I asked a simple question and got a mindless Petraeus quote from another poster.
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