Rant: Another annoying trend on YouTube

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These people with no lives whatsoever, start filming inside of businesses. The owners come out and ask, why are you filming, and ask them to stop.


They continue to film and try to provoke the owners, and when the owners get upset, they make the point that they are legally allowed to.

So this gives these jackasses the sense that what they are doing is not only legal but also right, and they try to make the owners look stupid and ignorant because they don’t know the law.

They then post this on YouTube and get millions of views, fame and money.

Don’t these losers have anything better to do ? Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right to do.

And just because you know something that someone else doesn’t, and you pointed it out to them doesn’t make you smart.
 
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Like if I go to the mall, I could legally stare at a girl the entire time. If she asks me why, and I reply, "Oh because I want to. And it's legal." Then she gets upset, and I post it to Youtube to try to make her look like an idiot for not knowing the law and getting upset, who's the real asshole?

The sad thing is that there are youtubers who do this with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of subscribers, and tney get paid thousands for each video they churn out.

Meanwhile, I know of very talented musicians who post their work on Youtube and get very few views, and no money. Something is wrong.
 

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Like if I go to the mall, I could legally stare at a girl the entire time. If she asks me why, and I reply, "Oh because I want to. And it's legal." Then she gets upset, and I post it to Youtube to try to make her look like an idiot for not knowing the law and getting upset, who's the real asshole?

The sad thing is that there are youtubers who do this with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of subscribers, and tney get paid thousands for each video they churn out.

Meanwhile, I know of very talented musicians who post their work on Youtube and get very few views, and no money. Something is wrong.
This isn't actually legal.
 

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No stinky youre being a twit. If you're on public property you can observe and film whatever you can see. If you are staring at some girl and she is afraid of you and you're creeping her out thats gonna get you in legal troubles. Remember in canada you dont actually have to assault someone for it to be assault.

As for videoing the businesses who cares, maybe the musicians should sit outside the filmed businesses.
So it would be okay with you if they film outside of abortion clinics or clinics for STI testing?
 
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This isn't actually legal.
Actually if you are just staring and not “following” or “harassing” it is not illegal.

And proving “following” is hard in a public domain like a mall because you could just be walking the same way.

Now the filming - depending on how it is done - that can maybe bring the cops involved but still - I can promise you not much will come if it. A warning to him with proof of deleting the footage. If it is already on YouTube then they say they are a content creator and just making videos. Tons of excuses that cops will buy so they don’t have extra paper work to do by charging the guy with a criminal offence. Recording someone in public is not illegal. So trying to prove actual harassment would be difficult. We all know what it is but it is the proving part that is the issue.

As a woman - trust me when I say stoping a creep staring at you legally is impossible. Hell - stopping a full blown stalker who is doing illegal things is almost impossible too. Just like sexual assault as well. Women have been dealing with this legal/illegal/what can you prove game for eons.
 
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Actually if you are just staring and not “following” or “harassing” it is not illegal.

And proving “following” is hard in a public domain like a mall because you could just be walking the same way.

As a woman - trust me when I say stoping a creep staring at you legally is impossible. Hell - stopping a full blown stalker who is doing illegal things is almost impossible too.
You certainly don't know how to abuse The police force then . Professor Richard Hummel From 1989 that was the mind when leering Convictions Started To get on the books.


Like all laws if there enforced random. Even billionaires lime the Sherman's which We're murdered but the police refused to do anything about it until the family embarrassed in the media.

Basically any crime is a luck of the draw for police action.
 

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You certainly don't know how to abuse The police force then . Professor Richard Hummel From 1989 that was the mind when leering Convictions Started To get on the books.


Like all laws if there enforced random. Even billionaires lime the Sherman's which We're murdered but the police refused to do anything about it until the family embarrassed in the media.

Basically any crime is a luck of the draw for police action.
We agree there but again - there is no law against staring at some for long periods of time and there is no law against filming people in public. So any man can go to the mall and starting filming who ever he wants.

and yes - I don’t know how to abuse the police. Not my forte
 

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I know that courts have ruled that in a public place no one has any reasonable expectation of privacy and so the act of taking a video in an of itself is legal in a public place. I do wonder, though - Is a mall considered "public"? Malls are privately owned. Would the owner of the mall not have the right to set and enforce policies against taking videos inside the mall? Not arguing the point. Just curious. (Agreed that I don't think it would be possible to legally prevent someone from staring.)
I think because the mall is “open to the public” it therefore becomes a public space. I think.

But then masks were able to be enforced so who knows. Laws are funny. We can sell sex but you can’t buy it. So maybe this is the same.
 
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I think because the mall is “open to the public” it therefore becomes a public space. I think.

But then masks were able to be enforced so who knows. Laws are funny. We can sell sex but you can’t buy it. So maybe this is the same.

The law is actually undecided on this issue. Both the Quebec and Ontario courts Have different views on this at the lower court ruling but neither have reached the supreme court of the province. I'm leaving then it won't matter until it reaches the supreme court of Canada to get a ruling.

However malls are not public places not public places What are the owner makes Rules of policies the default is as if they are public place.

For example if you go to a concert they can forbid you from using your phone as can a spa. However using your phone for certain things Is a charter right and thus the problem...

charter can be limited For example religion does not allow polygamy in bc.

Ontario the law is before the lower courts.

Personally I think that wall should be made into public squares Because we no longer use public square like a mall like we used to .
 

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They then post this on YouTube and get millions of views, fame and money.
They don't make money from these types of videos. The new youtube algorithm doesn't allow it. They may get millions of views but no real value in the video that attracts advertisers.

Videos that do product reviews, travel advice, cruise travel, financial advice, etc that offer value attract advertisers and make you $$$.
 

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These people with no lives whatsoever, start filming inside of businesses. The owners come out and ask, why are you filming, and ask them to stop.


They continue to film and try to provoke the owners, and when the owners get upset, they make the point that they are legally allowed to.

So this gives these jackasses the sense that what they are doing is not only legal but also right, and they try to make the owners look stupid and ignorant because they don’t know the law.

They then post this on YouTube and get millions of views, fame and money.

Don’t these losers have anything better to do ? Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right to do.

And just because you know something that someone else doesn’t, and you pointed it out to them doesn’t make you smart.
You might wish to blame Tom Green for that.....
 

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These people with no lives whatsoever, start filming inside of businesses. The owners come out and ask, why are you filming, and ask them to stop.


They continue to film and try to provoke the owners, and when the owners get upset, they make the point that they are legally allowed to.

So this gives these jackasses the sense that what they are doing is not only legal but also right, and they try to make the owners look stupid and ignorant because they don’t know the law.

They then post this on YouTube and get millions of views, fame and money.

Don’t these losers have anything better to do ? Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right to do.

And just because you know something that someone else doesn’t, and you pointed it out to them doesn’t make you smart.
I wonder what would happen if these people did that at an elementary school.....
 

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Section 150 of the Criminal Code of Canada defines the term "public place" as it relates to Part V of the Code, which deals with offences against public order. The section states that a public place includes any location that is accessible to the general public by right or by invitation, either explicitly or implicitly. This definition is essential to the interpretation of the criminal offenses outlined in Part V of the Code, as many of these offences are only considered crimes if they are committed in a public place. Some examples of offences that require a public place include causing a disturbance, behaving in a disorderly manner, and engaging in indecent public acts. The inclusion of both explicit and implied invitations in the definition of a public place is also important. An explicit invitation would be an open invitation made by the owner of the property, while an implied invitation would arise when a person enters a location without being expressly denied access. This means that individuals cannot necessarily argue that they did not know they were in a public place if they entered without express invitation.

Public Places means enclosed areas within publicly and privately owned buildings, structures, facilities, or complexes that are open to, used by, or accessible to the general public. Public places include, but are not limited to, stores, banks, eating establishments, bars, hotels, motels, depots and transit terminals, theaters and auditoriums, enclosed sports arenas, convention centers, museums, galleries, polling places, hospitals and other health care facilities of any kind (including clinics, dental, chiropractic, or physical therapy facilities), automotive service centers, general business offices, nonprofit entity offices and libraries. Public places further include, but are not limited to, hallways, restrooms, stairways, escalators, elevators, lobbies, reception areas, waiting rooms, indoor service lines, checkout stations, counters and other pay stations, classrooms, meeting or conference rooms, lecture rooms, buses, or other enclosed places that are open to, used by, or accessible to the general public.

Section 213(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada defines what is meant by a "public place" in the context of prostitution-related offences. The section states that a public place includes any place to which the public has access by right or by invitation, whether it is a physical location like a park or a building, or a transient location like a motor vehicle. The definition also covers any location that is open to public view, regardless of whether it is an indoor or outdoor space.

From what I can tell, it's not so much the legality of recording someone (video and/or audio) in a public place, but more about what you can legally do with the recordings after the fact,
 
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That kinda mirrors the topic of this post. The original point was that filming may be legal, but doing so makes you an asshole. So basically we have the legal right to be assholes. Just like Mrbjx.
 
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That kinda mirrors the topic of this post. The original point was that filming may be legal, but doing so makes you an asshole. So basically we have the legal right to be assholes. Just like Mrbjx.
Yup. Agree. And I have the legal right to think anyone who is an asshole the sake of being an asshole is well …. An asshole.

Filming doesn’t make you an asshole. Filming for the purpose of pissing people off to get reactions that you purposely create is being an asshole. We all have choices. I choose not to be.

Honestly - how shitty to you have to be as a person to get off on being an asshole??? And then to be proud of it …. 🙄
 

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You certainly don't know how to abuse The police force then . Professor Richard Hummel From 1989 that was the mind when leering Convictions Started To get on the books.


Like all laws if there enforced random. Even billionaires lime the Sherman's which We're murdered but the police refused to do anything about it until the family embarrassed in the media.

Basically any crime is a luck of the draw for police action.
I knew professor Hummel. He was a harmless man who just liked to observe and admire things around him. That was definitely a situation that went awry in such a short order. Note that there are situations where looking becomes leering and makes it most uncomfortable for the ones being leered at, that I understand and empathize with. However, I believe that in Professor hummel’s case, it was harmless observation. He was a brilliant scholar and scientist/engineer, a Perdue University graduate.
 
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Yup. Agree. And I have the legal right to think anyone who is an asshole the sake of being an asshole is well …. An asshole.

Filming doesn’t make you an asshole. Filming for the purpose of pissing people off to get reactions that you purposely create is being an asshole. We all have choices. I choose not to be.

Honestly - how shitty to you have to be as a person to get off on being an asshole??? And then to be proud of it …. 🙄
I think that the type of harassment could be considered as being criminal harassment under the criminal code. It might be difficult to prosecute, however.
 

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I think that the type of harassment could be considered as being criminal harassment under the criminal code. It might be difficult to prosecute, however.
That is the problem. It is harassment but no one will actually prosecute.

Look at the incel who would go around, film himself harassing girls with comments like “why won’t you fuck me?” When first walking up to a girl and then spraying them with pepper spray when then declined/reject him.

He only got arrested because of the pepper spray. He wasn’t being charged until he escalated to assaults.
 
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