Its offical : Transphobia is here to stay!
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Like her, you're completely detached from reality.Seems like this is your Research:
My views are opposite MTG's warped far right BS!!
However, her views are very similar to yours. Well then you are confirming that you are totally detached from reality. Thanks for finally agreeing!!
So is she the type of escort that meets your sexual desires? Wow, you love this despicable woman who did this to the Parkland School Shooting survivor:
Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims
Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims
Video of Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg before she was elected to Congress went viral Wednesday amid an uproar over newly surfaced comments she made in 2018 and 2019 as reported by CNN's KFile.
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Even the Republicans with a little iota of common sense will not defend such shameful actions. But you seem to love the far right bigoted individuals like MTG!!
Well how did Biden react to the Nashville trans shooter, who killed six people??So is she the type of escort that meets your sexual desires? Wow, you love this despicable woman who did this to the Parkland School Shooting survivor:
Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims
Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims
Video of Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg before she was elected to Congress went viral Wednesday amid an uproar over newly surfaced comments she made in 2018 and 2019 as reported by CNN's KFile.
Even the Republicans with a little iota of common sense will not defend such shameful actions. But you seem to love the far right bigoted individuals like MTG!!
Im taking the view that many gay people have been spreading. In the case of kids and adolescents its wrong to start puberty blocking or make any diagnosis at that age. That many gay people as they start their sexual awakening are confused as to why they are same sex attracted and it can easily be mistaken for gender disphoria. Add in some men are just naturally effeminate and some women more masculine.
They go on to say that usually by early adulthood, depending on social conditions of acceptance they "settle down" and realize they are just gay and not trans. And with minimal support can just be normal people.
Quite simply once you chop things off and chemically change someone its done. So really its something that should not happen to kids. At all. And with adults a lot of testing and councilling is needed to be sure.
They go on to say that usually by early adulthood, depending on social conditions of acceptance they "settle down" and realize they are just gay and not trans. And with minimal support can just be normal people.
Quite simply once you chop things off and chemically change someone its done. So really its something that should not happen to kids. At all. And with adults a lot of testing and councilling is needed to be sure.
Although the joke may have not been appropriate as usual the right wing blows it out of proportion and does not show the full context of his speech. So listen to the video and tell us what how this compares to MTG's disgusting attacks on the Parkland School Survivor:
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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Frankly, I am perplexed what is happening to the lefties. They used to at least talk a good talk about defending the weak and the vulnerable. There's no one weaker and more vulnerable than a child. And, yet, here we are. Sickening.
Then it is a perfect question to pose to some of your right winger buddies like JCpro as to why they get attracted to these Transexual genders. Otherwise, would he even want to go and see these same transgenders if they remained as gay male escorts? Will be interesting to hear jcPro's response!!
Anyway, as stated before, these procedures are NOT conducted on children and the minimum age is 18 years as stated before. No wonder that there were false flags against an Institution like Boston Children's Hospital where the far right conspiracy theories accused them of child abuse. One of the Trump supporters even threatened to bomb it and has been charged for it!!
So according to butler some minimal support to these individuals who seem to be morphing towards being transgenders, could then reverse it and they would just be Normal Gay individuals. Then when you go to visit all these Trans escorts is it true that they would have been just plain gay individuals if they somehow were given "normal support"? Well then would you have had a sexual session with them if they were just gay individuals instead of being transexual? Yes or No?
You guys are so hilarious!!
I've heard that said about right wingers, that sometimes people can show them how to care about others and they realize they wasted their lives.
But usually by then its too late and the damage is done.
The answer my friends are saying is don't make assumptions towards extremes when there is a good chance it isn't neccessary. And that filling kids heads with false diagnoses is wrong. They are far better to just wait and let the kid see where they are. That in most cases the person comes to realize they are just fine in their body.
As to JC what I'm hearing firstly is kink shaming. From you and a few others. And on this site that's a no no. So stop it. Secondly lots of terms get thrown around, and he will have to confirm this but I think he is more into "ladyboy" types on that end. But either way if he also likes pre op with boobs so what?
In the end this take has an Occam's razor quality to it of heading to the simple explanation of both sexual attraction and certain behaviors. That's who they are, its ok, and no need for hormones and surgery.
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Hearts in the right place, but there is a certain level of almost hysteria over this and other topics. Amplified by Social media, fear of cancelation, lack of real knowledge.
The fact is there is a certain level of cavalier attitude about this that disturbs me. Its arguably one of the worst traumas and psychological conditions a human could experience when its true. It needs to be treated with the gravitas it deserves.
Also the fact they are essentially sterilized in the process seems to have been lost on people. The destruction of someone's reproductive system is absolutely something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Cripes the advocates want to make it easier than for a regular dude to get a vasectomy.
If Russia or China were to assume control of the west, they would come to a communism friendly country like Canada long before they would attempt a US takeover. (I could argue that China is already here!)
p.s. the only thing photoshopped about the crocodile video thumbnail was the superimposed graphic. Have you never watched a documentary about crocodiles and their symbiotes? Is it your theory that Canada would be in the same place that we are today without: a) sovereignty that that has been assured by US military might, rather than our own, b) economic development primarily by US owned corporations combined with a largely open US market for exports, and c) independence from the UK won through the model of successful US independence from the UK? If you think so, please don't drive or operate any heavy equipment!
A nature analogy didn't help you, so let's go with a sports analogy.
You are a quarterback with a slight build. Do you want: a) an offensive lineman with a mean streak, who is willing to break the rules when necessary, has a public image you'd never want for yourself, but who has never allowed you to be sacked, or b) a meek choirboy who thinks that quarterback sacks are all part of the game and what's most important is to play fair at all times?
The lesson is - if you want an effective protector in a ruthless world, don't complain that they are rougher around the edges than you are. Maybe those rough edges make them exactly who you want them to be.
You're free to assert that, but the problem is that you quoted a scientific study and said that it showed Watchful Waiting was better when it did no such thing and even the people who did the study say it did no such thing in their paper.
You don't understand scientific papers and controls at all, then?
Who do you think the control population is in this study?
Bullshit.
Look at how you wrote it in the original.
Bolding is yours.
Yes, that is written explicitly to imply that the causative factor is the sex reassignment surgery.
You want to back away from that now, that's fine.
Why are you hoping for reactions based on you trolling if you are supposedly presenting a serious argument?
Since you don't seem to want to provide the Littman link - here it is for the peanut gallery:
This is the corrected version that was republished: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157
(If you want Littman's original, it is still accessible.)
Here is the apology by the journal for publishing the original and why they got Littman to publish a correction: https://everyone.plos.org/2019/03/19/correcting-the-scientific-record-and-an-apology/
Here is the formal comment about the paper: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0212578
Yes, he wrote "The Man Who Would Be Queen" and was involved in that embroglio and has been a longstanding colleague of Blanchard.By Bailey, I assume you're referring to Dr. Michael J. Bailey who published a recent paper titled, "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases"
RETRACTED ARTICLE: Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases - Archives of Sexual Behavior
During the past decade there has been a dramatic increase in adolescents and young adults (AYA) complaining of gender dysphoria. One influential if controversial explanation is that the increase reflects a socially contagious syndrome: Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD). We report results from...link.springer.com
It's been a thing for just over 7 years now!
It's been the line to push since it first gets asserted as an explanation for trans youth in February of 2016. (It goes big in August that year, as Littman starts recruiting for her paper.)
The idea of "social contagion" goes back much farther of course.
ROGD doesn't get formalized as a name for another few months until Littman starts recruiting for her paper in August.
But yeah - it's been a thing since the summer of 2016!
As for Bailey's paper, it's new and I haven't read it.
Sadly, he seems to repeat Littman's approach of interviewing the parents and not the kids, and also recruiting them specifically from a website whose parents are concerned their children became trans due to ROGD.
So, since we are discussing the literature - let's bring to the table some peer-reviewed studies that have yielded results inconsistent with or even directly contradict the ROGD and “transgender social contagion” hypotheses (Restar et al., 2019; Kuper et al., 2019; Kennedy, 2020; Bauer et al., 2021; Sansfaçon et al., 2021; Sorbara et al., 2021; Puckett et al., 2022; Turban et al., 2022)
Any comments on any of those?
The major difference between watchful waiting (which is the "Dutch model") and affirmative care seems to be the emphasis they place on social transitioning. Watchful waiting encourages the kid to express their gender as they see fit, but doesn't recommend social transition (and the push to have the community support that which that entails). The gender affirmative care is more in favor of letting the kid social transition as they see fit. Within those broad categories, exactly when and how puberty blockers should be employed, or hormones and surgery brought in, can vary quite a bit.The watchful waiting model
The “watchful waiting” model was designed by the members of the interdisciplinary team at the Amsterdam Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, under the leadership of Dr Peggy Cohen-Kettenis. Borrowing from the medical use of GnRH agonists for children exhibiting precocious puberty, the Netherlands team is responsible for introducing the use of puberty blockers for gender purposes, to put a pause on pubertal growth and allow more time for a youth to explore their gender and consolidate their adolescent gender identity, with the future possibility of cross-sex hormone therapy to align their bodies with their affirmed gender identity. In contrast to the live in your own skin approach, a young child’s demonstration of gender nonconformity, be it in identity, expressions, or both, is not to be manipulated in any way, but observed over time. If a child’s cross-gender identifications and affirmations are persistent over time, interventions are made available for a child to consolidate a transgender identity, once it is assessed, through therapeutic intervention and psychometric assessment, as in the best interests of the child. These interventions include social transitions (the shift from one gender to another, including possible name change, gender marker change, and gender pronoun changes), puberty blockers, and later hormones and possible gender-affirming surgeries. No attempts are made to alter a child’s gender identity or expressions; yet it is postulated in this model that it would be better to hold off until puberty on any social transitions of a child from one gender to another, and instead give them safe spaces to fully express their gender as they prefer before facilitating any full gender transitions.18,19 The rationale for holding off on any social transitions until adolescence is not to ward off a transgender identity but rather that 1) it would be advantageous that a child experiences the first stages of physical puberty for that child to best make a determination of the gender that feels most authentic to him/her; 2) given developmental stages of childhood, facilitating a social transition from one gender to another at a young age may create a form of cognitive constriction – the child may be prematurely blocked from considering any other possibilities once moved into a cross-gender status and socially constricted from further childhood gender exploration because now they know the cross-gender identity is what everyone has come to expect from them; 3) socially transitioning a child at a very young age may preclude the child from maintaining a realistic understanding of their body and historical status – as a penis-bodied (once a boy) or a vagina-bodied (once a girl) person. In informing their practices, this model, like the live in your own skin model, relies on the data gathered about “persisters” and “desisters”, both at their own clinic in the Netherlands and in other international studies, particularly those conducted at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH) gender program in Toronto. In the most recent review of these studies, it was found that 63% of the children seeking services at a gender clinic at a young age, and diagnosed with gender dysphoria, no longer had that diagnosis at puberty, while 37% did have the diagnosis consistently from early childhood to adolescence.20 Since a large majority of gender nonconforming young children seeking services at gender clinics desist in their gender dysphoria by adolescence, best practices would be to wait and see if the child persists into adolescence before making any significant changes in a child’s gender identity.
During the preadolescent waiting period, the children are followed carefully by the clinical team in the watchful waiting model, with the support of outside therapists in the community (which is required before a child can receive medical services), to assure that the children are growing well and getting their emotional needs met, and in preparation for later transitioning and medical interventions if the child proves to be a good candidate. Like in the live in your own skin model, the children going through the program also receive a full battery of psychological tests, documenting not only their gender status but also their cognitive–social–emotional functioning. Some of these instruments are delivered to the children directly, some to their parents or teachers.
If the mother asking for help with her 4-year-old were to attend the Amsterdam clinic with her child, the team might do an assessment and advise that the 4-year-old be followed over time, with the understanding that if her son’s declarations of wanting to be a girl persisted over time and if he continued to be drawn only to “girl” toys and activities, consideration of puberty blockers to buy more time to explore gender could certainly happen later, but for now it would be best to let her son continue to be a son free to explore whatever activities he enjoyed, with no corrections on his expressed desire to be a girl.
Gender nonconforming youth: current perspectives - PMC
Beginning with a case vignette, a discussion follows of the reformulation of theories of gender development taking into consideration the recent upsurge of gender nonconforming and transgender youth presenting for gender services and also in the ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Watchful waiting doesn’t mean no puberty blockers: Anti-trans researchers misrepresent academic…
In the latest issue of the American Journal of Bioethics, a peer commentary by Michael Laidlaw, Michelle Cretella, and G. Kevin Donovan…medium.com
As I apprehend "watchful waiting" and the "Dutch model" from the 2 above articles, hormone therapy and gender choice reinforcement are simply delayed to 12 years old. Correct me if I am wrong.
Like I said, there is a lot of serious, sober debate about how best to provide care to this population.
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