Russell Brand Goes Off On John Heilemann Of MSNBC...Classic Exposure

[krealtarron]

It's not a proxy war. The Ukrainians are fighting for freedom. It's a popular resistance war. The West is helping Ukraine.

The West had no interest in conflict with Russia prior to 2022. Russia existed in its own kleptocratic, repressive state of being. It pumped ONG to Western Europe, which said "thank you" and paid off the corrupt oligarchs who control the ONG. Those same oligarchs laundered their rubles in London real estate. The west largely ignored the low level violence in Donbas.

As long as The Poo was not an overt problem to anyone but his own sad, victimized people, he was largely ignored except as a source of wealth to others.

For the Ukrainians it is a fight for their homeland.

For the US and the rest of NATO and the west, it is a proxy war. They are fighting Russia via proxy (the Ukrainians). They were the ones who got Ukraine involved in the war in the first place by deftly maneuvering the politics of the region.

 

[mandrill]

You said Ukraine had no choice in the matter.
They had a choice to loudly declare that they would stay neutral and wont join NATO.
They did not do that, they chose to do the opposite.

If you say they did not have a choice, then it means they were a puppet of the west doing the west's bidding. That makes it an existential threat to Russia.

In geo-politics, existential threats dont always mean invasions, especially with regards to countries like Russia. It is an existential threat even if it threatens Russia's sphere of influence and ability to project power.

This is the same reason why China has conflicts with the US in the South China Sea for example.

They were not allowed to join either the EU or NATO. I am now repeating myself because you are obtuse and ignorant. How many times to we have to go through this shit?

That does not make them a "western puppet". NATO has a choice as to who to admit. Sweden wishes currently to join, but is opposed by Turkey. That does not make Sweden a "Turkish puppet".

No one was threatening Russia. The west was co-existing with Russia. Prove that the west intended to threaten Russia?

 

[squeezer]

They wont.

So then what's your point? If they don't someone will have too. If the West were to jump in and rebuild Ukraine it will be far from the Banana Republic you claim it to be and will do much better economically than Russia.

No. The west will be handed contracts and Ukrainian infrastructure privitized. Essentially foreign corporations will own Ukraine. It will be a true banana republic.

United Fruit Company and Honduras ring a bell?

 

[mandrill]

For the Ukrainians it is a fight for their homeland.

For the US and the rest of NATO and the west, it is a proxy war. They are fighting Russia via proxy (the Ukrainians). They were the ones who got Ukraine involved in the war in the first place by deftly maneuvering the politics of the region.

No.

Tell me how the West can determine what an independent country of 45m people chooses to do?

Does the US tell Canada what to do?

Admit that the Ukrainians have agency for their own actions and are not western puppets.

 

[squeezer]

They were not allowed to join either the EU or NATO. I am now repeating myself because you are obtuse and ignorant. How many times to we have to go through this shit?

Kreal, Chicken it's all the same soup. lmao

 

[squeezer]

For the Ukrainians it is a fight for their homeland.

For the US and the rest of NATO and the west, it is a proxy war. They are fighting Russia via proxy (the Ukrainians). They were the ones who got Ukraine involved in the war in the first place by deftly maneuvering the politics of the region.

Wow, you are something.

 

[krealtarron]

No.

Tell me how the West can determine what an independent country of 45m people chooses to do?

Does the US tell Canada what to do?

Admit that the Ukrainians have agency for their own actions and are not western puppets.

They can influence and maneuver the corrupt political leadership of Ukraine. Which is what they did.

 

[krealtarron]

So then what's your point? If they don't someone will have too. If the West were to jump in and rebuild Ukraine it will be far from the Banana Republic you claim it to be and will do much better economically than Russia.

You make it sound like the West is going to spend their own money and rebuilt Ukraine for charity.

They will privatize everything in Ukraine and make billions and pretty much own the country. That is 21st century colonialism.

 

[krealtarron]

They were not allowed to join either the EU or NATO. I am now repeating myself because you are obtuse and ignorant. How many times to we have to go through this shit?

That does not make them a "western puppet". NATO has a choice as to who to admit. Sweden wishes currently to join, but is opposed by Turkey. That does not make Sweden a "Turkish puppet".

No one was threatening Russia. The west was co-existing with Russia. Prove that the west intended to threaten Russia?

That is not true. They were WELCOMED BY NATO in a press statement they put out in 2008. I am the one repeating myself here.

And I said this several times, the existence and expansion of NATO challenges the Russian ability to project power, and establish their sphere of influence, which in and of itself is a threat. Added to that you have an enemy military alliance at their borders with nukes. It IS a threat.

 

[squeezer]

You make it sound like the West is going to spend their own money and rebuilt Ukraine for charity.

They will privatize everything in Ukraine and make billions and pretty much own the country. That is 21st century colonialism.

Where did I say they would do it for nothing??? All I said if the west gets involved in rebuilding the country it will be better for it. The people of Ukraine will benefit while the people of Russia will continue to suffer under a tyrannical leader.

 

[mandrill]

That is not true. They were WELCOMED BY NATO in a press statement they put out in 2008. I am the one repeating myself here.

You are deliberately ignoring what I wrote. They were welcomed in 2008 and NOT after 2014. This is common fucking knowledge. Smarten up.

And I said this several times, the existence and expansion of NATO challenges the Russian ability to project power, and establish their sphere of influence, which in and of itself is a threat. Added to that you have an enemy military alliance at their borders with nukes. It IS a threat.

NATO has been on Russia's doorstep since the 1990's with the Baltics. Again you are attempting to survive in this thread by ignoring what I write and simply posting the same crap in post after post after post.

 

[squeezer]

That is not true. They were WELCOMED BY NATO in a press statement they put out in 2008. I am the one repeating myself here.

And I said this several times, the existence and expansion of NATO challenges the Russian ability to project power, and establish their sphere of influence, which in and of itself is a threat. Added to that you have an enemy military alliance at their borders with nukes. It IS a threat.

If the US wanted to unleash its nukes on Russia WHICH THEY DON'T do you really believe it makes a bit of difference as to where they are located now? Do you believe the final outcome would change for the world? The answer is NO before you say something silly.

Reading is your friend. Read it and read it over instead of pulling bullshit and nonsense out of your ass

Relations with Ukraine

A strong, independent Ukraine is vital for the stability of the Euro-Atlantic area. Relations between NATO and Ukraine date back to the early 1990s and have since developed into one of the most substantial of NATO’s partnerships. Since 2014, in the wake of Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea...

www.nato.int

 

[krealtarron]

Where did I say they would do it for nothing??? All I said if the west gets involved in rebuilding the country it will be better for it. The people of Ukraine will benefit while the people of Russia will continue to suffer under a tyrannical leader.

The people of Ukraine will be owned by the west and its corporations. Thats why I asked look up United Fruit Company and Honduras.

It is amazing how easy it is for you to accept such colonial attitudes.

 

[krealtarron]

You are deliberately ignoring what I wrote. They were welcomed in 2008 and NOT after 2014. This is common fucking knowledge. Smarten up.


NATO has been on Russia's doorstep since the 1990's with the Baltics. Again you are attempting to survive in this thread by ignoring what I write and simply posting the same crap in post after post after post.

They were never "unwelcomed" by NATO. The direction has ALWAYS been that Ukraine will more closer to EU, be a part of EU and eventually NATO.

You are absolutely correct in saying NATO has been on Russia's doorstep since the 90s. Finally some truth. NOW LOOK UP RUSSIAN RESPONSES TO THAT. THROUGHOUT THE LAST 25 YEARS.

Then come back to me and tell me that Russia did not have a problem with that and tell me you did not see this coming.

They have ALWAYS considered NATO a threat. ALWAYS and yet, NATO kept pushing east towards their borders.

Whichever way you spin it, an anti-Russia military alliance moving closer and closer to their borders IS a legitimate threat.

We have been through this on another thread.

Your line of argumentation lacks nuance and you are repeating simplistic bullshit over and over again. Which is making me repeat myself.

 

[krealtarron]

If the US wanted to unleash its nukes on Russia WHICH THEY DON'T do you really believe it makes a bit of difference as to where they are located now? Do you believe the final outcome would change for the world? The answer is NO before you say something silly.

Reading is your friend. Read it and read it over instead of pulling bullshit and nonsense out of your ass

Relations with Ukraine

A strong, independent Ukraine is vital for the stability of the Euro-Atlantic area. Relations between NATO and Ukraine date back to the early 1990s and have since developed into one of the most substantial of NATO’s partnerships. Since 2014, in the wake of Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea...

www.nato.int

Yeah read NATOs statement about relations with Ukraine, when the accusation is that NATO is the primary reason for war. You dont see through your own stupidity on this? You are a piece of work.

And yes, where nukes are placed MATTERS. Reaction times will significantly be less for one. The Russian sphere of influence and ability to project power will greatly be diminished. These are all legitimate threats for a country like Russia.

Your idea that Ukraine is this innocent nation, that is just making the choice to align itself with the west and Russia is unfairly invading is so naive it is laughable.

 

[Frankfooter]

WE are fighting a proxy war though the Ukrainians. That is the meaning of the word proxy. Using someone else to indirectly fight your enemy.

Except that Russia would never invade the US or Canada.

 

[krealtarron]

Except that Russia would never invade the US or Canada.

Irrelevant. Challenging a countries ability to project power in their sphere of influence is just as much a threat.

 

[chickenriceandbeans]

Veterinary use
Ivermectin is routinely used to control parasitic worms in the gastrointestinal tract of ruminant animals. These parasites normally enter the animal when it is grazing, pass the bowel, and set and mature in the intestines, after which they produce eggs that leave the animal via its droppings and can infest new pastures. Ivermectin is only effective in killing some of these parasites, this is because of an increase in anthelmintic resistance.[114] This resistance has arisen from the persistent use of the same anthelmintic drugs for the past 40 years.[115][116]

In dogs, ivermectin is routinely used as prophylaxis against heartworm.[117] Dogs with defects in the P-glycoprotein gene (MDR1), often collie-like herding dogs, can be severely poisoned by ivermectin. The mnemonic "white feet, don't treat" refers to Scotch collies that are vulnerable to ivermectin.[118] Some other dog breeds (especially the Rough Collie, the Smooth Collie, the Shetland Sheepdog, and the Australian Shepherd), also have a high incidence of mutation within the MDR1 gene (coding for P-glycoprotein) and are sensitive to the toxic effects of ivermectin.[119][120] Clinical evidence suggests kittens are susceptible to ivermectin toxicity.[121] A 0.01% ivermectin topical preparation for treating ear mites in cats is available.[122]

Ivermectin is sometimes used as an acaricide in reptiles, both by injection and as a diluted spray. While this works well in some cases, care must be taken, as several species of reptiles are very sensitive to ivermectin. Use in turtles is particularly contraindicated.[123]

A characteristic of the antinematodal action of ivermectin is its potency: for instance, to combat Dirofilaria immitis in dogs, ivermectin is effective at 0.001 milligram per kilogram of body weight when administered orally.[76]

For dogs, the insecticide spinosad may have the effect of increasing the toxicity of ivermectin.[124][125]

Ivermectin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why dont you click the "Medical Uses" section of the same article you linked and read. Here is the very first sentence. Do you think making such obviously dishonest arguments is smart?

"Ivermectin is used to treat human diseases caused by roundworms and a wide variety of external parasites.[29"

 

[Frankfooter]

That is not true. They were WELCOMED BY NATO in a press statement they put out in 2008. I am the one repeating myself here.

And I said this several times, the existence and expansion of NATO challenges the Russian ability to project power, and establish their sphere of influence, which in and of itself is a threat. Added to that you have an enemy military alliance at their borders with nukes. It IS a threat.

Welcomed to apply.
They weren't given membership and welcomed in.

By the way, now that Finland is joining NATO does that mean Putin is justified in nuking them before it gets official?
And you wouldn't want anyone to interfere or rebuke Putin for that justified action I assume?

 

[Frankfooter]

Irrelevant. Challenging a countries ability to project power in their sphere of influence is just as much a threat.

But only for Russia, not for Canada or the US?