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A German walks into a bar and orders a fancy beer.

The bartender tells him : "100 euros!"

The German is shocked - "100 euros? yesterday it was only 10 euros !"

"Well, today it is 100 euros." - "But why 100, damn it?"

Bar tender : "I'll explain it,

-10 euros is the beer, -

10 to help Ukraine,

-20 assistance to European countries who have imposed sanctions and are not members of the EU.

-20 euros in aid to the UK, for successful implementation of sanctions against Russia. -Then 30 euros are sent to the Balkan countries as aid to buy furnace coal/keep their corrupt politicians. - and finally,

10 euros for a gas subsidy for the EU and fund to help maintain sanctions!"

The German silently with internal anger took out the money and gave the bartender 100 euros.

The bartender took them, entered in the cash register and gave him 10 euros back.

German in disbelief : "Wait, you said 100 euros, right ?

I gave you 100, why are you giving me back 10 euros?" ".....There is no beer."
 

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More did not die, thats the point.

Canada's deaths/million = 1335
India deaths/million = 377

Despite being a country that is more densely populated and having a lower overall vaccination rate.
Ah, so you believe India actually reported the deaths? Yeah, OK, sure.

If this is the case, why on earth would you have taken the jab? There is no excuse to take the jab if you believe it's useless.
 

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Ah, so you believe India actually reported the deaths? Yeah, OK, sure.

If this is the case, why on earth would you have taken the jab? There is no excuse to take the jab if you believe it's useless.
I do believe the vaccine saves lives. Dont forget India has a pretty good vaccine rate, just a tad bit lower than Canada though.

And yes, India reported all their deaths. This calling into question whether or not India did, is a tactic used without any evidence in the west about developing countries. Because the authorities need to grasp at any straw they can to justify their own lack of justifications for extensive lockdowns and shutdowns.
 

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A German walks into a bar and orders a fancy beer.

The bartender tells him : "100 euros!"

The German is shocked - "100 euros? yesterday it was only 10 euros !"

"Well, today it is 100 euros." - "But why 100, damn it?"

Bar tender : "I'll explain it,

-10 euros is the beer, -

10 to help Ukraine,

-20 assistance to European countries who have imposed sanctions and are not members of the EU.

-20 euros in aid to the UK, for successful implementation of sanctions against Russia. -Then 30 euros are sent to the Balkan countries as aid to buy furnace coal/keep their corrupt politicians. - and finally,

10 euros for a gas subsidy for the EU and fund to help maintain sanctions!"

The German silently with internal anger took out the money and gave the bartender 100 euros.

The bartender took them, entered in the cash register and gave him 10 euros back.

German in disbelief : "Wait, you said 100 euros, right ?

I gave you 100, why are you giving me back 10 euros?" ".....There is no beer."

Somebody (literate) hijacked Addict2rimmingPutin's account.
 
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Frankfooter

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More did not die, thats the point.

Canada's deaths/million = 1335
India deaths/million = 377

Despite being a country that is more densely populated and having a lower overall vaccination rate.
As someone who has travelled repeatedly to India do you really think they both tested all who died and honestly reported the numbers of cases and deaths?
 

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I do believe the vaccine saves lives. Dont forget India has a pretty good vaccine rate, just a tad bit lower than Canada though.

And yes, India reported all their deaths. This calling into question whether or not India did, is a tactic used without any evidence in the west about developing countries. Because the authorities need to grasp at any straw they can to justify their own lack of justifications for extensive lockdowns and shutdowns.
You just lost a lot of credibility here with this post.
 
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As someone who has travelled repeatedly to India do you really think they both tested all who died and honestly reported the numbers of cases and deaths?
This is the first link that shows up on google. And I KNEW you would try to pass this off as some sort of credible "data". Its just a random poll. Again playing off of the stereotypical notion, that "India is a developing country, so they dont report anything right or data coming out of there is inaccurate".

Try again. You just lost a lot of credibility with your post.

While I agree that deaths regarding covid or even infections go unreported, that is the case everywhere. Infact case in point - I got covid 3 times, but I never got an official PCR test. I used the at home testing kit. So my case never made it into the system. There are tons of cases like that, but it happens anywhere.

There was also the allegation that other causes were being passed off as COVID deaths in the west. Perhaps if those were eliminated the death rate would show closer to what it was in India.

You therefore go by official figures on this.
 
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This is the first link that shows up on google. And I KNEW you would try to pass this off as some sort of credible "data". Its just a random poll. Again playing off of the stereotypical notion, that "India is a developing country, so they dont report anything right or data coming out of there is inaccurate".

Try again. You just lost a lot of credibility with your post.

While I agree that deaths regarding covid or even infections go unreported, that is the case everywhere. Infact case in point - I got covid 3 times, but I never got an official PCR test. I used the at home testing kit. So my case never made it into the system. There are tons of cases like that, but it happens anywhere.

There was also the allegation that other causes were being passed off as COVID deaths in the west. Perhaps if those were eliminated the death rate would show closer to what it was in India.

You therefore go by official figures on this.
Modi is a populist as racist and trustworthy as trump, you know that. India also has a few systematic issues with reporting deaths and illness, you likely also know that.
And you also likely know how common rapid covid tests in India were.

In short, you must know that those numbers aren't accurate. I've only travelled in the south, but know enough to see you're bullshitting to try to make a point.

 
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Modi is a populist as racist and trustworthy as trump, you know that. India also has a few systematic issues with reporting deaths and illness, you likely also know that.
And you also likely know how common rapid covid tests in India were.

In short, you must know that those numbers aren't accurate. I've only travelled in the south, but know enough to see you're bullshitting to try to make a point.

What does Modi's politics have anything to do with this? Their healthcare system is well developed. They can certainly track and report on COVID numbers and deaths. Like I said there is error in all data, but it is not inaccurate to the extent that all these articles are alleging. By the same measure we dont know if numbers in the west are accurate either because of non-reporting or differences in how deaths are categorized. Again not erroneous enough to warrant that data is significantly inaccurate.

So given all this, we can only go by what we know, which are the official figures. You simply cant take what you dont know and make a definitive statement as if it is the truth.
 

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That best you can do! LOL!

All This people lare waking up like Ron Paul, General McGregor and other conservatives like Tulsa Gabbard are telling the truth to the American people
Give up …. With the lies and propaganda…Just look at the fact …Urkraine is losing the war they will run out artillery shell by the summer ! NATO / USA couldn’t even beat a bunch a goat herders in Afghanistan and European and Germany people waking up to the fact they want peace with Russia! . Now you expect this US proxy war through Ukrainian will win against a superpower Russia . All this shows unnecessarily Ukraine lives & Russian lives will die until Russia deNazify Ukraine and get the unconstitutional surrendered of Ukraine this will happened.

The modern country Ukrainian and their border will change drastically. It will split into 3 part up …they Poland will get western Ukraine which historically part of Ukraine belong to Poland and Russia will get all the Ukraine territory they annex including Odessa. Then whatever left area of Ukraine territory will become a permanent neutral demilitarized zone and what ever left remnant of Ukraine government will run that territory providing Zelensky either fled to Florida or kill by his own generals or by CIA ( Remember CIA kill they South Vietnam leader government when they losing the war).

Then USA
/ NATO will pivot toward China only after Germany leaves NATO. NATO & Military Industrial Complex need a enemy and money to justify their military budget!


In a CNN panel last week, the head of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) Samantha Power issued some very revealing words on the Russia-Ukraine war, wherein she admitted that the US is at war with Russia but that it's "Ukrainians doing the fighting".


At one point in forming a response she actually gave what ranks among the most ridiculously simplistic clichés sometimes uttered by D.C. policymakers - that America stands up to "bullies".

"I think Americans understand bullies and the importance of standing up to bullies," she said. But here's where she said the quiet part out loud, letting it slip that in some sense the US sees Ukraine as a pawn in the greater geostrategic game of ultimately defeating Russia: She explained the need for a broad coalition of countries in order to show "This isn't just the United States and Russia, this in fact is Ukrainians on the front lines, Ukrainians doing the fighting..." The set of assumptions behind this statement by a top Biden admin official is very revealing, however casually she may have slipped it in. Watch the clip below:
Where did Samatha Power say that The USA is at war with Russia? Obviously, you do not need a degree in Law to know or comprehend that Ukraine are on the frontlines against Putin's invasion of their nation. They are in fact at the front lines of DEMOCRACY vs an Autocratic Nation that wants to install a puppet regime in Ukraine and annex the Donbas region like they did in Crimea. The Ukrainians are standing up to this tyrant called Putin and we as Democratic nations need to support Ukraine in this instance. If Putin takes Ukraine, that is not when he will stop, as the other former Soviet Nations will be next on Putin's bucket list. Otherwise, tell us why did Poland and all those nations opt to join NATO?

Obviously, those conspiracy theorists do make up all that BS that the right wingers only can buy. No wonder that Fox News was caught out lying to their viewers when they knew that the 2020 Elections were in no way stolen or a fraud!!

Ron Paul is full of BS along with the likes of this General McGregor. Tulsi Gabbard became an outcast from the Democrats when she was the first one eliminated in the Democratic Nominations. Hence she now sucks up to the likes of Fox News and was always Pro-Russian in her stance on this Russian v Ukraine War!!

This is the Tulsi Gabbard that talks shit:


Where did you get the notion that NATO will "pivot towards China"? Never heard such nonsense when China is considered to be a threat towards the allies of NATO in Asia and generally a threat against Democracies around the Globe!!
 
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Where did Samatha Power say that The USA is at war with Russia? Obviously, you do not need a degree in Law to know or comprehend that Ukraine are on the frontlines against Putin's invasion of their nation. They are in fact at the front lines of DEMOCRACY vs an Autocratic Nation that wants to install a puppet regime in Ukraine and annex the Donbas region like they did in Crimea. The Ukrainians are standing up to this tyrant called Putin and we as Democratic nations need to support Ukraine in this instance. If Putin takes Ukraine, that is not when he will stop, as the other former Soviet Nations will be next on Putin's bucket list. Otherwise, tell us why did Poland and all those nations opt to join NATO?

Obviously, those conspiracy theorists do make up all that BS that the right wingers only can buy. No wonder that Fox News was caught out lying to their viewers when they knew that the 2020 Elections were in no way stolen or a fraud!!

Ron Paul is full of BS along with the likes of this General McGregor. Tulsi Gabbard became an outcast from the Democrats when she was the first one eliminated in the Democratic Nominations. Hence she now sucks up to the likes of Fox News and was always Pro-Russian in her stance on this Russian v Ukraine War!!

This is the Tulsi Gabbard that talks shit:


Where did you get the notion that NATO will "pivot towards China"? Never heard such nonsense when China is considered to be a threat towards the allies of NATO in Asia and generally a threat against Democracies around the Globe!!
 

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What does Modi's politics have anything to do with this? Their healthcare system is well developed. They can certainly track and report on COVID numbers and deaths. Like I said there is error in all data, but it is not inaccurate to the extent that all these articles are alleging. By the same measure we dont know if numbers in the west are accurate either because of non-reporting or differences in how deaths are categorized. Again not erroneous enough to warrant that data is significantly inaccurate.

So given all this, we can only go by what we know, which are the official figures. You simply cant take what you dont know and make a definitive statement as if it is the truth.
The India numbers are anomalous. There is no explanation for why the death rates would be different other than reporting and testing differences.
Modi is relevant, same way trump tried to hide covid deaths at first its entirely likely Modi could have buried reports.
Even a quick google finds reports that he buried Malaria numbers previously.

You say you've travelled there a lot and don't think this is possible?
That's on your credibility.
 

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The India numbers are anomalous. There is no explanation for why the death rates would be different other than reporting and testing differences.
Modi is relevant, same way trump tried to hide covid deaths at first its entirely likely Modi could have buried reports.
Even a quick google finds reports that he buried Malaria numbers previously.

You say you've travelled there a lot and don't think this is possible?
That's on your credibility.
I did not read the Malaria article.

But as far as COVID goes, there is a very good explanation in that India is a very young country. The average age is in the mid 20s. Also given even our deaths were primarily amongst people in their 80s and 90s, its understandable India has lower deaths as their average life expectancy is much lower. It is also a very hot country and as you know COVID and even the Flu is more prevalent in colder temperatures. The people there are also mostly rural with poor connectivity to cities where the virus is more likely to spread. So its likely the lack of infrastructure in many cases kept populations isolated.

And no I dont see any evidence that the numbers are anomalous based on a couple of articles or polls here and there. I lived in India for 6 or 7 months back in 2005-2008 due to an extended work engagement, and I have received treatment a couple of times for health issues over there and I was actually quite surprised and impressed with their doctors and their professionalism, their documentation etc.,

In these cases there are always doubts about COVID numbers of all countries including the west. The only numbers with sources are the ones officially available and that is what we have to use.
 

krealtarron

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Not true.

India has a 70% fully vaccinated rate. 2% more than the US lol. Yours is a 2 year old article 3 months after the vaccines were released.

 

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I did not read the Malaria article.

But as far as COVID goes, there is a very good explanation in that India is a very young country. The average age is in the mid 20s. Also given even our deaths were primarily amongst people in their 80s and 90s, its understandable India has lower deaths as their average life expectancy is much lower. It is also a very hot country and as you know COVID and even the Flu is more prevalent in colder temperatures. The people there are also mostly rural with poor connectivity to cities where the virus is more likely to spread. So its likely the lack of infrastructure in many cases kept populations isolated.

And no I dont see any evidence that the numbers are anomalous based on a couple of articles or polls here and there. I lived in India for 6 or 7 months back in 2005-2008 due to an extended work engagement, and I have received treatment a couple of times for health issues over there and I was actually quite surprised and impressed with their doctors and their professionalism, their documentation etc.,

In these cases there are always doubts about COVID numbers of all countries including the west. The only numbers with sources are the ones officially available and that is what we have to use.
That's two strikes against your claim that India's covid policy was more successful.
1) The numbers clearly aren't trustworthy
2) You think the lower life expectancy in India, itself a health policy failure, had to play in the numbers, not government policy.
 
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