That's the Romanian Government position, isn't it?
Human Trafficking is a violation of international law.
Andrew Tate is arrested and his luxury villa in Romania is raided by police
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Human Trafficking is a violation of international law.
Dirty is picking up the current war cry of the Po-Taito People that detaining someone before charges are laid is a violation of international law - which it is probably is if international law is modeled on Anglo-American procedural concepts, as opposed to European concepts.
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First the narrative was abuse, sexual assault.
Then it became human trafficking.
Now it's money laundering.
The prosecution is floundering, trying to find any evidence of anything that will stick and is coming up short. So the latest update is that one woman "escaped" the compound and wanted to make a complaint. All the other 74+ models could come and go as they pleased but this one person was somehow imprisoned to host webcam shows. It's utterly ridiculous.
This has been investigated for almost a year, and nothing yet. Not even any formal charges.
The entire process stinks of political expediency.
But it's monitored by teams of judges and if there's no evidence, it's the judges' responsibility to let Tait out of jail. So there must be evidence.
If there's no evidence and Romania is corrupt, evidence will be manufactured to convict Tait. If Romania is NOT corrupt, there must be actual, real evidence because the judges keep extending the detention.
So how is this "political expediency"?... The detention must end at 180 days. If there was never any evidence, what do the prosecution and the Romanian judges do then?.... Say "Who gives a fuck?" ???... Clearly they're not going to do that. So there must be some significant evidence. Right?...
What's probably happening is that Tait is trying to get to the remaining female witnesses and bribe / threaten them to recant their testimony. He can then go to trial and watch the state's witnesses refuse to testify against him. And that will enable him to claim that there was NEVER any evidence. He is ALREADY DOING THAT. 2 girls have apparently recanted. Tait is hoping to reach and pressure the last 4. And that's why the Romanians extend the detention. He's too dangerous and nasty for them to let out before the case is fully investigated because he will fuck with the witnesses.
Aside from being a HUGE flight risk, of course.
They're being kept because of ''social insecurity''...Like seriously, LOL.
The prosecutor here quite possibly knows he doesn't have much and is desperately trying to build anything to justify their incarceration.
Charge them or free them. As for being a flight risk..I'm sure all of their passports have been confiscated. Where the hell can they go? They're known all over the world. This just reeks......
But the judge reviews the evidence to extend the detention every 30 days. And the detention order can be appealed to a 3-judge panel. So the prosecutor has to show a judge what he's doing and satisfy the judge that it's a real investigation with real evidence.
You just don't understand how the Romanian justice system works procedurally.
I'm not even sure it has anything to do with when charges are laid or whatnot.
It just seems that Romania has a whole system of keeping people on remand before trials, with a median stay of something like 2 months.
So the whole thing with two extensions might be really normal and banal and say nothing about the evidence at all.
That couldn't be. Why would they have a judge vet the case and a right of appeal if there were no criteria about how solid the evidence and the case were?!
If there was an automatic 2 month detention remand, they'd just have the prosecutor file the necessary government form with the jail.
Well that makes no sense either.
The US detains people pre-trial all the time, and so does Canada and the UK.
There are rules about it, of course, and limits that are supposed to be respected.
But that seems the same here from that document you posted earlier.
They had to bring the brothers to the judge, get permission to hold them, and need to bring that back again every 30 days or so.
Do we know for a fact no charges have been laid? I thought they were accused of rape and trafficking or some such.
Are those not the charges? The whole point of "knowing the charges" is so that there is some way of mounting a defense, right?
They haven't been formally charged. That's the difference between Romania and North America. Here formal charges start the procedure. There, they can start by getting a detention order and lay formal charges later. That's what the Po-Taiters are complaining about.
Since I'm not following this closely, can you link to an article or report where they talk about how there are no formal charges filed yet?
And how that relates to normal procedure in Romania?
What is the expected situation and how is this deviating from it?
You say above that they are dropping the trafficking and rape charges and now it is money laundering?
Or did they add money laundering?
And if they did the latter, how is adding charges odd? That happens all the time in our system as well.
And if this is just the list of things he is being investigated for, but no charges have been laid, then again - please show what the rules are for keeping someone in detention without charges in Romania so I can decide for myself whether or not I should be upset.
That's the thing.
If Romania is hopelessly corrupt, charges will either be irrelevant and shown to be as a way to show how you can't win against the system, or charges will be manufactured.
Nothing Tate can do.
If it is really "The Matrix" that is so afraid of him they are taking him out, the least of his worries is how the evidence will be manufactured, he has to be worried about being killed.
But "The Matrix" can crush Tate like a fucking bug.
They can just pay women to testify against him and they can even deepfake video if they need it.
If he was really a threat and this was a political witch hunt, he's doomed.
The only way there can be ambiguity about the charges is if there is a real investigation.
Are we sure?
The rules for detention aren't clear for me.
It may be that the evidence doesn't have to be very good if there is a flight risk or a witness tampering risk.
But we also - not being experts in Romanian law and not having enough Romanian language skills to read things for myself - don't really know what the proper procedure here is.
What had to be presented at that initial hearing?
What has to be presented to extend the remand?
Remember, this isn't an adversarial system, but an inquisitorial one, most likely. So the judge isn't here to arbitrate procedure, the judge is getting the evidence and investigating the issue themself.
All very speculative, but not implausible.
This is obviously true, since he bragged about his ability to flee to other countries before as I understand, did flee the UK because he wanted to live in a jurisdiction where he was less likely to be arrested for the types of crimes he has been arrested for, and has shown off his multiple passports I think.
It's not automatic - there's just a thing in that report on the remand procedures about the median being 2 months (with the max being 180 days).
Evidence for that?
A bunch of Tate fanboys saying it is true isn't convincing to me.
But presumably, as you have been saying, there is still some sort of "reason for the detention".
The Tate fan club wouldn't be able to talk about how unfair it is that they keep changing the accusation (charges) if there wasn't someone talking about what they were holding him for.
So how different is this from the Anglo system really?
We arrest you - we tell you why - a judge decides if you need to be held until your trial - then there is a trial.
What's the difference? The systems seem basically identical here, just with a difference on whether the initial charges are recorded and in how much detail (and even that I'm not too convinced of since no one seems to know what the actual procedure is.)
Huh?.....How about his lawyer saying he hasn't been charged. Is that good enough? Like really...
You were doing well there for a while too.
Like I said, I haven't been following.
I also don't trust English language press to report on a criminal system they aren't familiar with.
And it turns out from what I can gather about the Romanian system (and indeed many inquisitorial ones), charges don't ever get laid until it goes to the trial part. The first part where the judge investigates you have the accusations told to you, but they aren't formally written up until the trial where all the investigation is analyzed.
So this is all boringly standard procedure, from what I can tell.
The Tate bros may have not paid tax in the jurisdictions of where they made their webcam money, so they may be wanted in the UK as well as Romania for tax evasion. They may also have pissed of the local Ma'fi-A. All the crime bosses have to do to take the casinos and web cam biz from the Tater heads is to lean on a few of their Andrew's girls and have them testify against them to run them out of the country.
That's my understanding also. It's just a different structure to the English-speaking systems.
It seems to be a question of who leans on the girls the hardest - the Romanian police of the Taits. I'm guessing that the Taits broke the law, but they are trying to get the girls to recant their statements to the cops.
Standard pimp operating procedure. Tait is basically a small-time thug with a big time management / PR / internet marketing apparatus behind him.
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