Andrew Tate is arrested and his luxury villa in Romania is raided by police

[Frankfooter]

I would have hoped The Top G would have made all of these bribes made well in advance. At his local level of law enforcement I suspect he did- but once the Romanians started getting calls from the US Embassy things got beyond the ability of the local cops to hide or suppress.

Don't be ridiculous, Knuckle Ball.
If you're Top G you don't need to bribe anyone, cuz you're Top G.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Don't be ridiculous, Knuckle Ball.
If you're Top G you don't need to bribe anyone, cuz you're Top G.

Of course…what was I thinking?

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621453331850829826

 

[mandrill]

Law & Crime is a reasonable account.

The pretty female lawyer doing the talk show news circuit is pretty much what you would expect. It's simply getting the Tait's PR spin out there.

 

[dirtyharry555]

We see the lengths people will go to in tolerating injustice towards those they dislike.

We've seen this ugliness throughout history where human groups abuse and slaughter others and justify it by casting aspersions at their victims.

The violation of international law should not be allowed to continue.

 

[mandrill]

We see the lengths people will go to in tolerating injustice towards those they dislike.

We've seen this ugliness throughout history where human groups abuse and slaughter others and justify it by casting aspersions at their victims.

The violation of international law should not be allowed to continue.

Except international law isn't Romanian law. Romania is allowed to have its own law and procedure and I've explained it above. While the English speaking world demands that charges be laid before the accused is arrested, Romania works backward. It allows a judge to order the accused detained while the cops and prosecutor work on the investigation. The cops have to satisfy the judge that the evidence is real and the investigation is producing results to get the detention orders. It's just a different way of doing things.

Maybe Romanians aren't allowed to upgrade charges once their laid or change them. Canadian prosecutors can totally change the charges at any time before trial and they can keep investigating the accused, even after the charges are laid. Maybe Romanians prosecutors aren't allowed to do that - IDK. If that's the case, the Romanian cops have to have ALL their legwork done BEFORE the charges are laid. I'm not an expert in Romanian law....

 

[Valcazar]

The violation of international law should not be allowed to continue.

That's the Romanian Government position, isn't it?
Human Trafficking is a violation of international law.

 

[mandrill]

That's the Romanian Government position, isn't it?
Human Trafficking is a violation of international law.

Dirty is picking up the current war cry of the Po-Taito People that detaining someone before charges are laid is a violation of international law - which it is probably is if international law is modeled on Anglo-American procedural concepts, as opposed to European concepts.

 

[dirtyharry555]

That's the Romanian Government position, isn't it?
Human Trafficking is a violation of international law.

First the narrative was abuse, sexual assault.

Then it became human trafficking.

Now it's money laundering.

The prosecution is floundering, trying to find any evidence of anything that will stick and is coming up short. So the latest update is that one woman "escaped" the compound and wanted to make a complaint. All the other 74+ models could come and go as they pleased but this one person was somehow imprisoned to host webcam shows. It's utterly ridiculous.

This has been investigated for almost a year, and nothing yet. Not even any formal charges.

The entire process stinks of political expediency.

 

[mandrill]

First the narrative was abuse, sexual assault.

Then it became human trafficking.

Now it's money laundering.

The prosecution is floundering, trying to find any evidence of anything that will stick and is coming up short. So the latest update is that one woman "escaped" the compound and wanted to make a complaint. All the other 74+ models could come and go as they pleased but this one person was somehow imprisoned to host webcam shows. It's utterly ridiculous.

This has been investigated for almost a year, and nothing yet. Not even any formal charges.

The entire process stinks of political expediency.

But it's monitored by teams of judges and if there's no evidence, it's the judges' responsibility to let Tait out of jail. So there must be evidence.

If there's no evidence and Romania is corrupt, evidence will be manufactured to convict Tait. If Romania is NOT corrupt, there must be actual, real evidence because the judges keep extending the detention.

So how is this "political expediency"?... The detention must end at 180 days. If there was never any evidence, what do the prosecution and the Romanian judges do then?.... Say "Who gives a fuck?" ???... Clearly they're not going to do that. So there must be some significant evidence. Right?...

What's probably happening is that Tait is trying to get to the remaining female witnesses and bribe / threaten them to recant their testimony. He can then go to trial and watch the state's witnesses refuse to testify against him. And that will enable him to claim that there was NEVER any evidence. He is ALREADY DOING THAT. 2 girls have apparently recanted. Tait is hoping to reach and pressure the last 4. And that's why the Romanians extend the detention. He's too dangerous and nasty for them to let out before the case is fully investigated because he will fuck with the witnesses.

Aside from being a HUGE flight risk, of course.

 

[The Oracle]

First the narrative was abuse, sexual assault.

Then it became human trafficking.

Now it's money laundering.

The prosecution is floundering, trying to find any evidence of anything that will stick and is coming up short. So the latest update is that one woman "escaped" the compound and wanted to make a complaint. All the other 74+ models could come and go as they pleased but this one person was somehow imprisoned to host webcam shows. It's utterly ridiculous.

This has been investigated for almost a year, and nothing yet. Not even any formal charges.

The entire process stinks of political expediency.

They're being kept because of ''social insecurity''...Like seriously, LOL.

The prosecutor here quite possibly knows he doesn't have much and is desperately trying to build anything to justify their incarceration.

Charge them or free them. As for being a flight risk..I'm sure all of their passports have been confiscated. Where the hell can they go? They're known all over the world. This just reeks......

 

[mandrill]

They're being kept because of ''social insecurity''...Like seriously, LOL.
The prosecutor here quite possibly knows he doesn't have much and is desperately trying to build anything to justify their incarceration.
Charge them or free them. As for being a flight risk..I'm sure all of their passports have been confiscated. Where the hell can they go? They're known all over the world. This just reeks......

But the judge reviews the evidence to extend the detention every 30 days. And the detention order can be appealed to a 3-judge panel. So the prosecutor has to show a judge what he's doing and satisfy the judge that it's a real investigation with real evidence.

You just don't understand how the Romanian justice system works procedurally.

 

[mitchell76]

But it's monitored by teams of judges and if there's no evidence, it's the judges' responsibility to let Tait out of jail. So there must be evidence.

If there's no evidence and Romania is corrupt, evidence will be manufactured to convict Tait. If Romania is NOT corrupt, there must be actual, real evidence because the judges keep extending the detention.

So how is this "political expediency"?... The detention must end at 180 days. If there was never any evidence, what do the prosecution and the Romanian judges do then?.... Say "Who gives a fuck?" ???... Clearly they're not going to do that. So there must be some significant evidence. Right?...

What's probably happening is that Tait is trying to get to the remaining female witnesses and bribe / threaten them to recant their testimony. He can then go to trial and watch the state's witnesses refuse to testify against him. And that will enable him to claim that there was NEVER any evidence. He is ALREADY DOING THAT. 2 girls have apparently recanted. Tait is hoping to reach and pressure the last 4. And that's why the Romanians extend the detention. He's too dangerous and nasty for them to let out before the case is fully investigated because he will fuck with the witnesses.

Aside from being a HUGE flight risk, of course.

As that Romanian lawyer, said in one of the videos, "this puts extra pressure on the Romanian judge to not be corrupt." Thanks to the Tate brothers, "literally tons of media, are watching how the Romanian judicial system, conducts themselves, very carefully!!"

 

[Valcazar]

Except international law isn't Romanian law. Romania is allowed to have its own law and procedure and I've explained it above. While the English speaking world demands that charges be laid before the accused is arrested, Romania works backward. It allows a judge to order the accused detained while the cops and prosecutor work on the investigation. The cops have to satisfy the judge that the evidence is real and the investigation is producing results to get the detention orders. It's just a different way of doing things.

Maybe Romanians aren't allowed to upgrade charges once their laid or change them. Canadian prosecutors can totally change the charges at any time before trial and they can keep investigating the accused, even after the charges are laid. Maybe Romanians prosecutors aren't allowed to do that - IDK. If that's the case, the Romanian cops have to have ALL their legwork done BEFORE the charges are laid. I'm not an expert in Romanian law....

I'm not even sure it has anything to do with when charges are laid or whatnot.
It just seems that Romania has a whole system of keeping people on remand before trials, with a median stay of something like 2 months.
So the whole thing with two extensions might be really normal and banal and say nothing about the evidence at all.

 

[mandrill]

I'm not even sure it has anything to do with when charges are laid or whatnot.
It just seems that Romania has a whole system of keeping people on remand before trials, with a median stay of something like 2 months.
So the whole thing with two extensions might be really normal and banal and say nothing about the evidence at all.

That couldn't be. Why would they have a judge vet the case and a right of appeal if there were no criteria about how solid the evidence and the case were?!

If there was an automatic 2 month detention remand, they'd just have the prosecutor file the necessary government form with the jail.

 

[Valcazar]

Dirty is picking up the current war cry of the Po-Taito People that detaining someone before charges are laid is a violation of international law - which it is probably is if international law is modeled on Anglo-American procedural concepts, as opposed to European concepts.

Well that makes no sense either.
The US detains people pre-trial all the time, and so does Canada and the UK.

There are rules about it, of course, and limits that are supposed to be respected.
But that seems the same here from that document you posted earlier.

They had to bring the brothers to the judge, get permission to hold them, and need to bring that back again every 30 days or so.

Do we know for a fact no charges have been laid? I thought they were accused of rape and trafficking or some such.
Are those not the charges? The whole point of "knowing the charges" is so that there is some way of mounting a defense, right?