Because they are. That is the explicit intent of their movement. They don't hide it so why are you afraid to admit it? Neither of us has an issue calling out religious extremist terrorists in the settler movement so what makes Hamas so sacred to you? is it because you think Palestinians aren't capable of moral behaviour or is it simply that you are okay with anything that harms Jews?
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Your statement on Hamas' intent sound like an andrewx post, or like phil talking about antifa or LGBTQ.
Its just pure hate, isn't it?
Palestinians are just people, just like Jews.
There are good ones and bad ones, you have get over your stereotyping hatred.
Try and find some good Palestinians, if you can, they are out there and there are a lot of them.
Its so easy to find Jewish groups with morals who are antiracist.
Start by finding some common ground.
(Sorry, obviously that's not good language here)
Is Factual. I know you don't criticize people you feel are beneath you but both the Hamas Charter and their more recent policy document are very clear. Do you even know what the name Hamas is an acronym for?
The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988
avalon.law.yale.edu
Hamas in 2017: The document in full
Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net
But amazing you keep saying it is racist to say Hamas is a designated terrorist entity while also saying Jews are legitimate targets simply by being in "Palestinian land".
As for common ground, how about admitting that Kach, Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Al Aqsa's Martyr Brigade, and Lions Den are all terror groups?
I could quote the Likud party charter, which reads as particularly hateful.Is Factual. I know you don't criticize people you feel are beneath you but both the Hamas Charter and their more recent policy document are very clear. Do you even know what the name Hamas is an acronym for?
The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988
avalon.law.yale.eduHamas in 2017: The document in full
Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
But amazing you keep saying it is racist to say Hamas is a designated terrorist entity while also saying Jews are legitimate targets simply by being in "Palestinian land".
As for common ground, how about admitting that Kach, Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Al Aqsa's Martyr Brigade, and Lions Den are all terror groups?
But really, its better just to note that you intentionally used a 30 year old document and not the Hamas charter they published and run by in 2017. Also a few years after they mostly stopped from using terrorism.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
But I'm sure the part that you have the most problem with is the part where they declare their right to self defence or resistance against an occupation that has since been officially ruled as illegal.
In fact, compared to the Likud charter and Netanyahu's recent statements saying that he thinks Jews have the right to all of the land of Palestine/Israel, Hamas' claim for the 1967 borders seems down right civil.
Its actually incredibly close to what you think should be the two state solution. Yet somehow you think Hamas wanting the same solution you claim to support is 'genocide'.
That's wacked.
25. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.
26. Hamas rejects any attempt to undermine the resistance and its arms. It also affirms the right of our people to develop the means and mechanisms of resistance. Managing resistance, in terms of escalation or de-escalation, or in terms of diversifying the means and methods, is an integral part of the process of managing the conflict and should not be at the expense of the principle of resistance.
Hamas in 2017: The document in full
Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net
You do endlessly to try and justify groups like Hamas.
It's pretty pathetic that you keep trying to say it's racist to quote what Hamas says. They are overtly anti-semitic. They are unquestionably authoritarian. They freely admit their goal is an Islamic Caliphate in all of Mandate Palestine. They unquestionably abuse rights of people in Gaza. They openly say that they will never accept a permanent peace that involves a Jewish presence. They openly admit that they don't distinguish between Jewish civilians and military targets.
And despite them contradicting all of your claimed moral stances, you happily cheer them on and make excuses because you like their aims.
As for common ground, how about admitting that Kach, Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Al Aqsa's Martyr Brigade, and Lions Den are all terror groups?
No, the very hilarious part is that you claim to have the same goals as Hamas.
Both you and Hamas want to settle for the two state solution based on the 1967 borders.
The bigger difference is that Hamas is willing to call out antisemitism as well as Islamaphobia, while you will only call out antisemitism.
Not to mention that part of your Islamaphobia is denying Palestinians the right to self determination along with the right to self defence.
By the way, I'm sorry to have to be the one to pass what must be bad news for you but....
Other than your love of zionism and settler colonialism, Hamas seems more anti-racist than you.
17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
Wow your attempts to hide you disgustingly racist immorality get stupider and stupider.
And speaking of stupid, that's a good description for people who listen to what Hamas says about Jews and believes they are actual against anti-semitism. I will agree that they will likely stop their overt anti-Semitic attacks once they eliminate the Jewish presence. What is funny about suckers who happily swallow Hamas' claims is that Arab anti-Jewish violence long predates the Holocaust. It also includes Arab states enacting anti-semitic laws and inciting mob violence to chase Arab Jews out of their long time homes.
p.s. Just a reminder you keep calling out Israel and Likud for being racist. You then say Likud is just like Hamas. Thankfully you keep your xenophobic blinders on so that claim doesn't run afoul of your claims that Hamas is not racist.
Hamas says their goal is a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders in their charter.
You used to say you supported the two state solution based on the 1967 borders.
But it is true that you have changed and like Netanyahu say that you will not support giving any land back to Palestinians.
Which makes your position into a war crime of land acquisition through war along with apartheid.
That now makes your moral stance worse than than the Hamas charter. Congrats.
That's just plain Islamaphobia and hate speech. That makes you more racist than Hamas, since they are against antisemitism and Islamaphobia. Two strikes.
The old Hamas charter was like the old Likud charter. Hamas updated theirs, I don't think Likud did. That's strike three as Hamas removed all the land grabbing, hate talk while Likud did not.
You have now convinced me that your moral position is more racist and hateful than Hamas.
Congrats.
These polls from around the world now make sense.
In Norway, 38% believe Israel treats Palestinians like how Nazis treated Jews, survey shows
Survey says anti-Semitism in Norway is limited and comparable to that of Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden.
www.haaretz.com
At least if you lie about what they say.
The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.
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Jerusalem
10. Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. Its religious, historic and civilisational status is fundamental to the Arabs, Muslims and the world at large. Its Islamic and Christian holy places belong exclusively to the Palestinian people and to the Arab and Islamic Ummah. Not one stone of Jerusalem can be surrendered or relinquished. The measures undertaken by the occupiers in Jerusalem, such as Judaisation, settlement building, and establishing facts on the ground are fundamentally null and void.
11. The blessed al-Aqsa Mosque belongs exclusively to our people and our Ummah, and the occupation has no right to it whatsoever. The occupation’s plots, measures and attempts to judaize al-Aqsa and divide it are null, void and illegitimate.
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The position toward Occupation and political solutions
18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
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25. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.
All those statements are backed by international law and UN resolutions, basketcase.
Of course you deny Palestinians the rights to stay in Palestine, the right to self defence, the right of return and UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
You support apartheid Israel and you refuse to admit Palestinians have any human rights.
Even Israel allows 'Israeli Arabs' to stay in the area that was Palestine. You seem to take offence with this.
Which makes your stance more extreme that Ben Gvir and way more extreme than Hamas.
The only way forward is to deescalate through sanctions that will end apartheid.
The two state solution is dead.
Time to end apartheid.
No wonder these polls are now global.
In Norway, 38% believe Israel treats Palestinians like how Nazis treated Jews, survey shows
Survey says anti-Semitism in Norway is limited and comparable to that of Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden.
www.haaretz.com
You have a really inventive version of international law. Not surprising because the stupid accusations you make to avoid admitting your racist double standard are pretty creative too.
Hamas is open with their goals and their methods. They reject being part of any kind of peace talks and have held that stance from the beginning. They say their goal is an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine. They openly say that only Jews there before 1919 will be allowed to stay (I doubt there are many 104 year old Israeli Jews). they say violence is their preferred solution.
You pretend to be pro-peace, against racism, and against extremist religion but you happily endorse Hamas.
Hamas has the same stated goal as you, the two state solution based on 1967 borders.
However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Israel has been occupying Palestine for 56 years now.
As you stated, the problem is now an Israel that thinks it owns all the land and won't give back any for the two state solution.
Hamas is more moderate than you.
Amazing that you can cut and post from their documents and still make that claim.
p.s. Talk about obsessive double standard. you condemn me for supporting a negotiated Two State peace (as does Canada, the UN, and the Arab league) while cheering the obviously false claims from Hamas on it.
Hamas won't even try to get along with the actual Palestinian government. Do you think that a party explicitly founded on violent removal of Israel is willing to work alongside Jews?
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And your stupid attempts to warm quotes from me are just more of your pathetic obsession. You edited out the part that there was never a Palestinian state so the negotiation will create a new state.
A Palestinian state briefly existed on paper but was rejected by the Arab League and Palestinian leaders and was then taken by Jordan and Egypt. There could have been a Palestinian state at numerous occasions but Arafat and Abbas have made a career (and their millions) by rejecting the concept.
According to the UN (you know, the guys overseeing those reports you keep endorsing) the only way forward is a Negotiated Two State peace
A Palestinian state briefly existed on paper but was rejected by the Arab League and Palestinian leaders and was then taken by Jordan and Egypt. There could have been a Palestinian state at numerous occasions but Arafat and Abbas have made a career (and their millions) by rejecting the concept.
According to the UN (you know, the guys overseeing those reports you keep endorsing) the only way forward is a Negotiated Two State peace
Your posts are just Islamaphobic hate speech, basketcase.
Why would anyone take your views on Hamas seriously?
You've already stated that you don't think taking Palestinian land through settlements is 'the problem', have stated that Israel will never give back the land they took and claim that its Hamas' fault that the occupying power hasn't held peace talks in a decade.
Hamas is way more reasonable than you, they stated in their charter that they think Palestinians have a right to all of Palestine but are willing to go along with Palestinian consensus and settle for the 1967 borders.
That's so much more reasonable than you.
Heck, even Hamas doesn't support shooting children the way you defended Israel for doing so. Hamas has committed terrorist acts but there were 144 settler terrorist attacks one night this weekend that you refuse to even mention or call out. I say bring in the ICC and charge both sides based on all accusations in human rights orgs reports.
Starting with this one.
Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity
Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new
www.amnesty.ca
Quotes?
There are links to the quotes included. People can check them out in context, should they care.
Like this one:
Which of course was followed by you claiming it was self defence when Israel shot 619 children and killed 49 of them.
Its hardly self defence when it happens every Friday for a year and the snipers doing the shooting are safely hiding on the other side of the prison walls.
Go ahead, report me to the authorities for admitting Hamas is a designated terrorist entity and quoting what Hamas says.
Fuck you're pathetic.
Your posts are Islamaphobic hate speech, basketcase.
You repeatedly label all Palestinians as 'Hamas' and therefore 'terrorists' so that you can justify apartheid and attacks on them.
You push a supremacist ideology.
I back sanctions to end Islamaphobia and apartheid.
66% of Canadians back sanctions.
Even Hamas takes a stand against both antisemitism and Islamaphobia.
Even Hamas backs international investigations.
You don't, you back a supremacist view.
66% of Canadians say sanctions on Israel would be ‘reasonable’: poll - National | Globalnews.ca
Over three quarters of Canadians deemed Palestinian calls for boycotts on Israel to be reasonable.
globalnews.ca
In typical religious zealot style, they regard the very land as a gift from their God (as described in a book written by ancient devotees of said God) This strikes a chord with those who regard themselves as God's gift...
Your comments are so obviously lies yet it's all you have to try and defend being caught out as an elite level anti-semite and defender of totalitarian extremist regimes.
p.s. speaking of double standards, you keep telling me I'm a war monger when I support sanctions against Iran's nuclear program
