Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.

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By encouraging Lavigne’s daughter to begin a gender transition without informing Lavigne, Roy appears to have violated at least two district policies.

According to publicly available district policies, school personnel are supposed to call a meeting of stakeholders when students express symptoms of gender dysphoria or who show signs of gender confusion. In those meetings, multiple school employees and the student’s parents or guardians are supposed to develop a plan best suited for the student.

That meeting never happened with Lavigne’s daughter, and it’s not clear why. School officials haven’t said anything that might clarify the issue.

The other policy Roy appears to have violated involves asking students to keep secrets.

According to the policy, school employees are prohibited from asking students to keep secrets.

But that’s exactly what Roy asked of Lavigne’s daughter, according to Lavigne.

Everything I said in this thread is correct.
 
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Hilarious.





Everything I said in this thread is correct.
And the social worker, conditionally licensed and basically an under-grad, will still keep his job.
This is beyond comprehension.
My lawyers would be all over the school board and the "social worker".
 
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I'd hazard a guess that your kids would never have talked to you if they were thinking of transitioning.
He's got kids and you don't, so I guess that still qualifies you as a know-it-all when it comes to kids.
Still judging the parents eh Frank.
Hey what do you think about your social worker now? Still not as bad as the parents in your eyes right?
 
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A 13 year old doesn't know their gender identity. Heck, at 13, you dont know your own body even from a sexual standpoint. So a decision to transition should not be encouraged. Rather a wait and watch approach should be taken and the parents informed.

Anyone who says otherwise regarding gender identity, is just pushing liberal mumbo jumbo.
You are going to have to define what you mean by a "wait and watch" approach in this context, since I know very well it get used in different ways.
(I'm curious about your choice of the word "encouraged" here as well, but will wait to see how you define "watch and wait" before commenting further.)
 

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He's got kids and you don't, so I guess that still qualifies you as a know-it-all when it comes to kids.
Still judging the parents eh Frank.
Hey what do you think about your social worker now? Still not as bad as the parents in your eyes right?
I don't talk about my private life here.
The first article, by the same paper, which appears to be the only one writing about this, said the counsellor was operating under school board rules.
Now they say he wasn't.
That makes the reporting suspect.

You need third party verification of what happened and what the board rules are now.
 

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Everything I said in this thread is correct.
It may turn out to be true, although it then begs the question why they didn't simply fire Roy on the spot for violating policy if this is nothing but Roy going rogue.
Why the previous social worker, here identified as Jessica A. Allen-Fumarola, hasn't spoken up is also curious. After all, she could immediately point out that the child had never spoken of transitioning or that in fact the child has been repeatedly talking about transitioning this whole time.

One of the many curious things about this is that Lavigne new her child had been assigned to a new social worker.
Why did the switch happen? What was wrong with Allen-Fumarola?

We're still waiting on the school to give any side of the story here, as opposed to simply not commenting.
I had hoped we would get something in this January meeting, but now the "the school is just covering its ass" story has some plausibility.
All that seems to have been released is “When administrators receive concerns from parents and/or students about potential issues in school, the board has specific policies and procedures in place that must be followed when addressing those concerns. "

The problem is that we have basically no coverage of the situation.
We have the mainewire, which has a clear editorial position on the situation, and the local weekly (which reported on the first meeting, but not the most recent one)

Any real journalistic inquiry would get on record what the hell those "specific policies and procedures" were and what they meant in terms of why the school board isn't answering and when answers would be forthcoming. We're not going to get that from the mainewire - which clearly wants to demagogue this for culture war hits, and the Lincoln County News doesn't looks like it does investigative reporting of any kind.

My little sojourn into the local reporting on the issue did bring up this recent policy by a neighboring school board - (https://www.themainewire.com/2022/1...-gender-identity-changes-secret-from-parents/) - explicitly stating when and why the school might not tell the parents.

What would be interesting is if the school district had an unwritten policy similar to their neighboring board's and Roy was following that even though it hadn't been formally adopted.
That could explain some of the behavior here.

Now that there are signs this isn't just right wing media whipping up culture war froth (although that still might be all it is) and that there are some genuine mysteries due to the slack reporting, I'm even more curious about what the real story is here.
 
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You are going to have to define what you mean by a "wait and watch" approach in this context, since I know very well it get used in different ways.
(I'm curious about your choice of the word "encouraged" here as well, but will wait to see how you define "watch and wait" before commenting further.)
Wait till they are 18 or of legal age and then see how they feel about it, and then if they want it go ahead and transition, medically or otherwise.
 

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I don't talk about my private life here.
The first article, by the same paper, which appears to be the only one writing about this, said the counsellor was operating under school board rules.
Now they say he wasn't.
That makes the reporting suspect.

You need third party verification of what happened and what the board rules are now.
So, your concern is the reporting, not the fact that the "social worker" hired by the board violated board policies,
secretly transitioning a young girl without the parents' knowledge.
You think he should still keep his job with the board, or are you still worried about the maga dad?
 
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So, your concern is the reporting, not the fact that the "social worker" hired by the board violated board policies,
secretly transitioning a young girl without the parents' knowledge.
You think he should still keep his job with the board, or are you still worried about the maga dad?
You would think whether or not one has kids, it would be common sense for people to support keeping the parents informed. But apparently, being pro-trans and liberal trumps common sense.
 
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So, your concern is the reporting, not the fact that the "social worker" hired by the board violated board policies,
secretly transitioning a young girl without the parents' knowledge.
You think he should still keep his job with the board, or are you still worried about the maga dad?
Yes, the reporting in the first article said the counsellor was abiding by board policy while this one says they weren't.
Clearly one is wrong, we don't know which.

I didn't ever say the kid had a MAGA father, either.

Do you think one of your kids could want to transition or start transition without you knowing?
 

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It may turn out to be true, although it then begs the question why they didn't simply fire Roy on the spot for violating policy if this is nothing but Roy going rogue.
Why the previous social worker, here identified as Jessica A. Allen-Fumarola, hasn't spoken up is also curious. After all, she could immediately point out that the child had never spoken of transitioning or that in fact the child has been repeatedly talking about transitioning this whole time.

One of the many curious things about this is that Lavigne new her child had been assigned to a new social worker.
Why did the switch happen? What was wrong with Allen-Fumarola?

We're still waiting on the school to give any side of the story here, as opposed to simply not commenting.
I had hoped we would get something in this January meeting, but now the "the school is just covering its ass" story has some plausibility.
All that seems to have been released is “When administrators receive concerns from parents and/or students about potential issues in school, the board has specific policies and procedures in place that must be followed when addressing those concerns. "

The problem is that we have basically no coverage of the situation.
We have the mainewire, which has a clear editorial position on the situation, and the local weekly (which reported on the first meeting, but not the most recent one)

Any real journalistic inquiry would get on record what the hell those "specific policies and procedures" were and what they meant in terms of why the school board isn't answering and when answers would be forthcoming. We're not going to get that from the mainewire - which clearly wants to demagogue this for culture war hits, and the Lincoln County News doesn't looks like it does investigative reporting of any kind.

My little sojourn into the local reporting on the issue did bring up this recent policy by a neighboring school board - (https://www.themainewire.com/2022/1...-gender-identity-changes-secret-from-parents/) - explicitly stating when and why the school might not tell the parents.

What would be interesting is if the school district had an unwritten policy similar to their neighboring board's and Roy was following that even though it hadn't been formally adopted.
That could explain some of the behavior here.

Now that there are signs this isn't just right wing media whipping up culture war froth (although that still might be all it is) and that there are some genuine mysteries due to the slack reporting, I'm even more curious about what the real story is here.
lol 2 hours ago you were a diehard child privacy above all advocate.

And you know damn well why Sam Roy wasn't fired. I explained everything in this thread.
 
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And the social worker, conditionally licensed and basically an under-grad, will still keep his job.
This is beyond comprehension.
My lawyers would be all over the school board and the "social worker".
Hopefully she sues and get a huge payout. What they did to the child can be damaging for the rest of her life.

Too many things were done wrong for it to be a coincidence.

Anyone exercising a bit of commen sense could tell something was wrong.
 

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Hopefully she sues and get a huge payout. What they did to the child can be damaging for the rest of her life.

Too many things were done wrong for it to be a coincidence.

Anyone exercising a bit of commen sense could tell something was wrong.
People dont think about the fact that a 13 year old is very impressionable.

Many kids in my school - boys were effeminate, girls were tomboyish. But this sort of culture didn't exist then. They eventually grew up into cis men and women and are happy with families and kids. You dont put ideas into a 13 year old kids head, in this day and age with the kind of woke culture that dominates our schools and colleges. Wait, watch and if at a legal age they are still feeling that way, then yes, go ahead and do whats right for you. And keep parents informed. Dont know why this is unacceptable.
 

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Yes, the reporting in the first article said the counsellor was abiding by board policy while this one says they weren't.
Clearly one is wrong, we don't know which.

I didn't ever say the kid had a MAGA father, either.

Do you think one of your kids could want to transition or start transition without you knowing?
Your solution is insane.
If a kid has some crazed MAGA type father with an uncontrollable temper you'd take one of the few avenues for the kid to talk to someone.

That would make kids way more unsafe.
 

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People dont think about the fact that a 13 year old is very impressionable.

Many kids in my school - boys were effeminate, girls were tomboyish. But this sort of culture didn't exist then. They eventually grew up into cis men and women and are happy with families and kids. You dont put ideas into a 13 year old kids head, in this day and age with the kind of woke culture that dominates our schools and colleges. Wait, watch and if at a legal age they are still feeling that way, then yes, go ahead and do whats right for you. And keep parents informed. Dont know why this is unacceptable.
Or they grow up to be closeted republicans.
 

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People dont think about the fact that a 13 year old is very impressionable.

Many kids in my school - boys were effeminate, girls were tomboyish. But this sort of culture didn't exist then. They eventually grew up into cis men and women and are happy with families and kids. You dont put ideas into a 13 year old kids head, in this day and age with the kind of woke culture that dominates our schools and colleges. Wait, watch and if at a legal age they are still feeling that way, then yes, go ahead and do whats right for you. And keep parents informed. Dont know why this is unacceptable.
This thread is becoming more and more idiotic.

It has descended from a post with a completely misleading headline to spreading an absurd claim that young people can be groomed into changing their sexuality or sexual orientation.

Do you really think an "impressionable" young person can be talked into becoming gay or trans.
 

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Wait till they are 18 or of legal age and then see how they feel about it, and then if they want it go ahead and transition, medically or otherwise.
So they can't talk about it until then, and they can't in any way socially discuss it?
Or are you advocating they can socially transition but no institution can formally recognize it?
Are people expected to actively discourage them during this time or can people talk to them about it and make it so that at 18 they can go ahead with what they wanted to do?

I find "wait until they are 18" incredibly vague.

(And this is, which you may know, not what "watch and wait" means in the medical community discussing this, as my understanding goes.)
 

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So they can't talk about it until then, and they can't in any way socially discuss it?
Or are you advocating they can socially transition but no institution can formally recognize it?
Are people expected to actively discourage them during this time or can people talk to them about it and make it so that at 18 they can go ahead with what they wanted to do?

I find "wait until they are 18" incredibly vague.

(And this is, which you may know, not what "watch and wait" means in the medical community discussing this, as my understanding goes.)
None of that. It means just give it time and dont put pressure one way or another. How would the parents be kept informed without them talking about it? Let them make a decision when they reach legal age.
 
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