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Parents threaten lawsuit, call for Lecce to act on Oakville trans teacher

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My understanding is that the OHR Tribunal was set up in the 1960's, prior to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms being added to the Constitution.

The OHRT allowed people to address perceived injustices to housing, employment, without the need to pay expensive legal fees. Often the the 1960's people could not find justice via the legal system due to economic circumstances.

Sorry did not dig deep enough to find references.
So there is another thing.
Are these stories of "it can fine you for obeying the law" only about the Ontario one?

I know the tribunals exist, what I am asking for is this whole story of lawlessness and weird jurisdictional issues that cause huge problems.
 

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So there is another thing.
Are these stories of "it can fine you for obeying the law" only about the Ontario one?

I know the tribunals exist, what I am asking for is this whole story of lawlessness and weird jurisdictional issues that cause huge problems.
This whole thing sounds like more of an urban myth on the Right than an actual, real thing.

Nobody advancing this claim has anything to support it beyond some Jordan Peterson YOUTUBE vids…I feel quite confident in calling BULLSHIT on this whole thing.
 

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He is biologically male, but mentally and emotionally gender fluid.
I am actually with King on this one… but not for his biased reasoning. I think buddy is trolling. He went all in. If he stops now he’s a joke and he’s fired. (I absolutely could be wrong here… but I’m not)

Once he does not need the job at the school… and he can grift on the right wing media circuit, write book exposing us leftists, blah blah blah…. Then it all stops.
 
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How are you an expert in this?... You ever been inside?..... You a criminologist?..... A jail guard?


How are you an expert in this?....

I actually know a couple of TG's and their "motives" appear simply that they identify as being members of their non-birth biological gender. Isn't your whole issue that you're personally obsessed and disturbed by this and have created this imaginary hellscape of evil acts and motives in your own mind?
My best friend has a Transgender kid. I will be honest… I was extremely uncomfortable at first… but it does not even phase me now.

I may not be qualified to understand it, or explain it, but when someone is willing to cut their dick off to be happy, I believe them.
 

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This whole thing sounds like more of an urban myth on the Right than an actual, real thing.
That's why I'm asking.

I have no doubt there have been decisions that piss people off.
But the rhetoric seems a lot stronger than that and yet details are thin on the ground.

Nobody advancing this claim has anything to support it beyond some Jordan Peterson YOUTUBE vids…I feel quite confident in calling BULLSHIT on this whole thing.
That Jordan Peterson is all in on it is a reason to be very suspicious.
Obviously, he sometimes says things that are factually true, but especially if it is something he has strong feelings about, caution is warranted.
 
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if there's a dress code for the students there should be one for the teachers. The school just doesn't want to be sued by the Trans teacher.


Public pressure hasn’t made the Halton District School Board change its policy regarding a teacher wearing huge fake breasts to class, but perhaps legal action will.

A group of parents has hired a lawyer to push the board to take action on the dress and deportment of teacher Kayla Lemieux.



Rishi Banhu, a labour law specialist from Oakville, has written to both the board and Education Minister Stephen Lecce asking for action.

“The board has refused to enforce any standards or expectations with regard to Ms. Lemieux’s work attire,” Bandhu wrote.

His letter goes on to demand the board explain their position on the lack of a dress code for teachers when Lemieux’s style of dress clearly violates the student dress code. He also demands the board engage with parents and the school council at Oakville Trafalgar High School on this matter.

“My clients reserve their rights to pursue all forms of legal action concerning this matter, including judicial review,” he wrote.
A group of parents calling themselves Students First Ontario is raising money to support legal action against the board. So far, they have raised just over $7,500 of their $10,000 goal.

Bandhu though is looking to the province to step in and solve the matter. In his letter to Lecce, Bandhu asks him to exercise his authority under Section 303(2) of the Education Act, which would allow the minister to impose a dress code.

“A board shall direct a principal to establish a local code of conduct if the board is required to do so by the Minister, and the local code must address such matters and include such requirements as the Minister may specify,” the act reads.

Lecce has been pushing the board to take action since the story broke in September. He referred the issue of professional standards to the Ontario College of Teachers, which ruled that the board had all the powers they needed to enforce a dress code similar to the one students must follow — but the board has refused to do so.

“I think the bottom line and our position is that when kids are in front of staff, we expect them to uphold the highest standards of professionalism,” Lecce said Monday.
He specifically said he doesn’t think the board has acted appropriately in this case and called on them to do so.

Despite public pressure, pressure from ministry bureaucrats and direct pressure from the minister himself, the board has not moved. Their claim is that imposing a dress code on teachers, Lemieux in particular, would be a violation of the Ontario Human Rights Code.

Kjerstin Karlsson, a post-op transwoman, wrote after a column earlier this week to say that Lemieux’s conduct is inappropriate for a school.

“This teacher is making it more difficult than ever, even if she doesn’t realize it, for trans individuals to live their lives and be respected,” Karlsson said, noting Lemieux’s conduct could be having a negative impact on trans students as well.
“Human rights only go so far, if she wants to wear prosthetic breasts that large may I suggest a nightclub and not a learning institution.”

That is a common sense and respectful view, which can’t be said for Lemieux’s choices or the Halton school board’s acceptance of them.
If the board hasn’t acted up until this point, it’s doubtful they will change course in the face of legal action. If the education act allows Lecce to order the board to establish a dress code, he should do it.

This ordeal has become a distraction for students, parents and teachers.

Bitch is standing right next to a chop saw. Problem easily solved.
 
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Bitch is standing right next to a chop saw. Problem easily solved.
Too funny and there are Libs think that the story is not real despite the pictures and many articles. A right wing conspiracy !!!!! 😂😂😂
 

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Merely 15 years ago, someone pulling this stunt would have been publicly excoriated, laughed at, mocked, and swiftly removed from their teaching position.

Today you have professional panels, politicians, advocacy groups, and multiple page online forum debates about it with no resolution in sight.

This is the problem. We've gone backward. We're regressing, not progressing on these social issues. It's an embarrassment.

It's partly because we now live in a hyper-feminine society where emotions drive decisions rather than reason. This is the kind of thing that women would sit around a coffee table talking about for hours and days in times gone by whereas men would absolutely crush the stupidity of it all within a New York minute. But everyone thinks like women now. Because being male and having testosterone and being masculine is evil (in the West only).
 

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Bitch is standing right next to a chop saw. Problem easily solved.
Too funny and there are Libs think that the story is not real despite the pictures and many articles. A right wing conspiracy !!!!! 😂😂😂
I don’t support what this person is doing. I think it is probably a right wing man making some sorta political stand against trans rights by making them look absurd. I think she should be fired for her clownish appearance but apparently the board will get sued if they do so.

It bothers me that such an obvious abuse of basic etiquette is allowed to exist but I don’t wish this person dead FFS. As I said earlier, I don’t think this person is harming the students in any way other than looking ridiculous.

I find it to be a weird kinda reaction from people on the Right who simultaneously are cheerleading this brilliant trolling of the Libs while simultaneously wishing her a painful death with a “chop” (shop?) saw?

Frankly, I think this is a right wing guy who feels he is being persecuted by the school board for some reason and has decided that he is gonna make his stand against tyranny on this issue. Anyone who would go to these lengths to make a point probably has a screw loose and should not be allowed to teach kids…or go skydiving with her giant prosthetic breasts either…but none of this is illegal I suppose.


 
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I don’t support what this person is doing. I think it is probably a right wing man making some sorta political stand against trans rights by making them look absurd. I think she should be fired for her clownish appearance but apparently the board will get sued if they do so.

It bothers me that such an obvious abuse of basic etiquette is allowed to exist but I don’t wish this person dead FFS. As I said earlier, I don’t think this person is harming the students in any way other than looking ridiculous.

I find it to be a weird kinda reaction from people on the Right who simultaneously are cheerleading this brilliant trolling of the Libs while simultaneously wishing her a painful death with a “chop” (shop?) saw?

Frankly, I think this is a right wing guy who feels he is being persecuted by the school board for some reason and has decided that he is gonna make his stand against tyranny on this issue. Anyone who would go to these lengths to make a point probably has a screw loose and should not be allowed to teach kids…or go skydiving with her giant prosthetic breasts either…but none of this is illegal I suppose.


😂 😂 😂 So its really a right wing man conspiring to make the trans people look bad? He's being persecuted by the school board so he decided to put on giant prosthetics? 🤣🤣🤣

You said earlier: "This whole thing sounds like more of an urban myth on the Right than an actual, real thing." SMH
 

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😂 😂 😂 So its really a right wing man conspiring to make the trans people look bad? He's being persecuted by the school board so he decided to put on giant prosthetics? 🤣🤣🤣

You said earlier: "This whole thing sounds like more of an urban myth on the Right than an actual, real thing." SMH
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Monty Python got it right 40 years ago.

 

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When chemical dependency keeps your biology in a state that you were not born in, it's false. And his chromosomes will ALWAYS remain as he was born.
Yes they will stay the same. I know it's hard for people to understand reality but sexual characteristics are determined by way more than one gene and some of them conflict with each other. The vast majority of people will have only male or female but there are more than enough genetic variations for people to have otherwise mismatched alleles.

There are developmental difference between brain structures in otherwise male and female people and one interesting study showed many trans people had brain structures aligned not with the gender of their dangly bits but with their identity.

Biology is complicated but that isn't an excuse to ignore it simply because trans people freak you out.
 
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I didn't say Olympic or world championships. In high level sports, all competitors can be considered the best in the world. Thankfully, the Olympics has NOT adopted this ridiculous behaviour.
All winning athletes win to a large extent because of their genetic advantages. Sports has always been okay with it in men's sports. The Caster Semenya debacle is stupid though as a guy with higher than average testosterone can become a champ while a woman with higher than average gets banned.

I get being sceptical when an elite male athlete transitions to female but I severely doubt many people would be willing to face the hatred trans people face simply to win a race.



p.s. The speculated sex tests on Semenya undermine your whole idea of men and women and nothing in between.
 

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I don’t support what this person is doing. I think it is probably a right wing man making some sorta political stand against trans rights by making them look absurd. I think she should be fired for her clownish appearance but apparently the board will get sued if they do so.
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If this is the case, the board refusing to act is the best punishment making the guy prolong his act indefinitely.
 
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😂 😂 😂 So its really a right wing man conspiring to make the trans people look bad? He's being persecuted by the school board so he decided to put on giant prosthetics? 🤣🤣🤣

You said earlier: "This whole thing sounds like more of an urban myth on the Right than an actual, real thing." SMH
Yes, there have been numerous unofficial claims that this guy has a disciplinary record for misogynistic behaviour in class. Makes more sense than an actual trans person choosing the most outlandish prosthetics. Add in the whole sky diving stunt of skipping work and blasting social media with what they were doing fits extremely well with someone trying to challenge their employer.
 
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Biology is complicated but that isn't an excuse to ignore it simply because trans people freak you out.
Trans people don't "freak me out". I believe they needed to be treated or at the very least, examined thoroughly for mental healthy issues. There are some studies (that I don't know the numbers) that show a large number regret their transition and or choices.

I also don't like the subtle "grooming" of children that trans and other bleeding hearts of the alphabet community try to impose on children and for that fact, the general public.

In the end, it's my option and I have the right to protest a belief or lifestyle that does not agree with my way of living or lifestyle, much like our little "John and Hooker" community does not agree with the general populace.
 

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Then pathetic that you think people have the right to deny service to people. Would you be okay with someone banning those Muslim barbers from their workplace?
I think your strawman response is pathetic; you are completely missing the crux of the matter, Basketcase. We are not talking about banning Muslims from the workplace because they are Muslims.

You have one group of people exercising their sincerely held religious beliefs, who now suddenly find themselves hauled in front of the Human Rights Tribunal because a militant lesbian doesn't get her way.

There are plenty of establishments in the downtown area who would have been happy to serve her; maybe even another Barber Shop; but no, she insists on getting her hair cut at the Barber Shop run by Muslims; who, as I explained earlier, cannot touch women other than their wives as that is haram.

If you can't see the problem with that - then you are part of the problem.
 
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I think your strawman response is pathetic; you are completely missing the crux of the matter, Basketcase. We are not talking about banning Muslims from the workplace because they are Muslims.

You have one group of people exercising their sincerely held religious beliefs, who now suddenly find themselves hauled in front of the Human Rights Tribunal because a militant lesbian doesn't get her way.

There are plenty of establishments in the downtown area who would have been happy to serve her; maybe even another Barber Shop; but no, she insists on getting her hair cut at the Barber Shop run by Muslims; who, as I explained earlier, cannot touch women other than their wives as that is haram.

If you can't see the problem with that - then you are part of the problem.
There are a number of human rights auditors that are game for causing issues for people/establishments. Much like the ever idiotic Sovereign Citizens who YouTube and audit police; normally, the end result is them getting arrested.

Our stupid society and bleeding heart SJW's have popularized this and made it acceptable. But I'm glad to see more and more people starting to push back and take a stand against this.
 
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