Merkel Admits Minsk Agreement was to Trick Russia

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Merkel Admits Minsk Agreement was to Trick Russia

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/russia/merkel-admits-minsk-agreement-was-to-trick-russia/

Posted Dec 9, 2022 by Martin Armstrong

Merkel has basically said that the Minsk Agreement was to buy time for Ukraine to build up its army and never was there any intention of allowing the Russians in the Donbas to vote on their own future. Merkel admitted that they negotiated in bad faith with Putin simply to allow Ukraine time to fortify itself thereby buying time to build its army. She also said that at the time, NATO was weak and could not provide support to Kyiv to the extent they do currently. The Minsk agreements were signed to pretend to resolve the Donbas conflict.

The region was never Ukrainian territory. It was occupied by Russians for centuries. The people there had a right to their own lives. The Ukrainians demanded they no longer speak Russian and they sought to deny them even their own religion and they were to report to Kyiv – not Moscow. This was like Mexico reclaiming Texas and demanding English was to be outlawed and only Spanish was to be spoken and all religions were to be outlawed except allegiance to the Archbishop of Mexico.

Furthermore, two heads of state of Russia came from this region Ukraine claims is now theirs and not Russia’s. Does that mean that Kruschev who rebuilt Kiev after World War II and grew up in the Donbas and, of course, Brezhnev who was born there in the Donbas, were really Ukrainian? So the whole Cuban Missile Crisis was not with Russia but with Ukraine?

In truth, during

In truth, during the final signing of the agreement in Minsk, Belarus,
the Ukrainian authorities had promised to commit to reforming their
Constitution granting autonomy to Lugansk and Donetsk, allowing them.
to hold local elections in both regions to establish their own independent governments.
Yet the Western press calls the Russian action an invasion of Ukrainian territory when Ukraine has refused to honor their word and negotiated in bad faith from the outset.

Make no mistake about it, the Ukrainians would create genocide and slaughter every last Ukrainian Russian as they immediately did in Odesa. Now Zelensky is desperate to create World War III all for Ukrainian hatred of Russians no different than the whole issue involving the Serbs v Austrians that started World War I. We are to die and risk nuclear war for Ukraine that has NEVER been anything but deceitful? We are being played for fools.

Merkel has been frank and one must question WHY would Putin ever agree to any agreement with Ukraine when they NEVER comply with what they agree to. It is now abundantly clear that the Minsk agreements were NEVER intended to be carried out by the current Kyiv government. They were simply used to buy time to build up their forces for war against Russia.

While Merkel told Die Zeit that there should now be a negotiated settlement, the West has supported effectively genocide and refuses to acknowledge anything with regard to the Ukrainian Nazis who they have supported and protected against any prosecution. that they carried out against the German Nazis for their war crimes.


Ukraine is at least the most corrupt country in Europe if not the entire world. Even the IMF refused

IMF puts Ukraine on pause over corruption concerns

A recent IMF mission to Ukraine ended without reaching any decision on a new tranche. IMF concerns over Ukraine's anti-corruption efforts will increase the pressure on President Zelenskyy.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

to provide money last year because of the unbelievable corruption. Hunter Biden was put on a board to gain influence with Biden. I refused to deal with them because of unimaginable corruption. You do not count your fingers after shaking hands with the Ukrainian government, you check to see if you still even have an arm.

Western Media refuses to tell the truth and is pushing us into World War III by championing Ukraine without ever looking closely at the facts. We are on the wrong side of history that will be written how the West collapsed for the third time, but this time, taking America with it out of sheer arrogance.


PS. As much as I don’t like Putin. I failed to see why we Canadians govt should defend a corrupt country like Urkanine …Guess it not the first time western countries like USA or UK lied to the general public ie.. IRAQ WMD !!! We are in the wrong side of history… Urkanine is not strategic important to the west…but if other hand if it was Taiwan or South Korea or Japan that would different case. Why are we wasting livees or money and risk of nuclear war for a sake of a corrupt country like Urkraine!

 

[KDK13]

Sucks that a kind hearted decent and honest gentleman like Putin is always treated so badly.

 

[Addict2sex]

Sucks that a kind hearted decent and honest gentleman like Putin is always treated so badly.

Putin is scum also!! Let put both Zelensky and Putin in a WFF ring cage and let them fight to the death! Who ever wins get ukraine ..just leave the west alone! Not our fight, not our problem …and don’t use our taxpayers money!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Wait, I thought the right wingers said Merkel was stupid.
Now you're saying she outsmarted Putin?

 

[Valcazar]

Wait, I thought the right wingers said Merkel was stupid.
Now you're saying she outsmarted Putin?

They are also misrepresenting the interview, of course.

https://archive.vn/DNuvQ

 

[Addict2sex]

They are also misrepresenting the interview, of course.

https://archive.vn/DNuvQ

Trying to spin all you want! History shows we the west is in the wrong here! Just like IRAQ WMD which I foolishl support at that time When I was young and naive!!

Merkel's Confession On Duplicity Of Minsk Accords: Cold War 2.0 Just Got Colder

WEDNESDAY, DEC 14, 2022 - 02:00 AM
Authored by Patrick Lawrence via Consortium News,
"Germany is Hamlet," Gordon Craig once wrote. The great historian of that nation (1913–2005) was noted for pithy summations of this kind, insights that cast light into the innermost recesses of the German psyche, the what-makes-them-tick of its people.
Does Germany face westward to the Atlantic or eastward to the Eurasian landmass? From which tradition does it draw? Where lie its loyalties? These are questions geography; a rich, old culture; and a long, complicated history bequeathed to Germans. I do not think Craig meant to suggest this condition was burdensome. No, there was nothing to resolve. In its ambiguous state — in the West but not wholly of it, in the East but not wholly Eastern — Germany was most truly itself.

Germans lived this way, making no apologies, for a long time. They could allow the U.S. to station 200,000 troops on their soil — the figure at the Cold War’s end — while pursuing Willi Brandt’s Ostpolitik, the Federal Republic’s opening to the German Democratic Republic and by extension the whole of the East Bloc. It was Germany that invested with Gazprom, the Russian energy conglomerate, in the Nord Stream I and II pipelines even amid rising East–West tensions.
On the long drive into Moscow from Domodedovo International Airport, the broad thoroughfares are lined with German car dealers, German construction cranes, the factories of German companies. German businesses, along with many German citizens, were vociferous critics of the sanctions regime the U.S. imposed on Russia — and effectively on Europe, indeed — after the U.S.-choreographed coup in Kiev eight years ago set in motion the current crisis in Ukraine.
I read those two extraordinary interviews Angela Merkel granted Der Spiegel and Die Zeit last week against this history, this record, this ordained state of ambiguity. If there is one truth that may stand above all others in the former chancellor’s astonishing revelations of Berlin’s duplicity in its dealings with Moscow, it is that the Federal Republic has abandoned its inheritance — its natural state, indeed —and so the considerable responsibilities the past and geography awarded it.





East-West Alienation
It would be hard to overstate the significance of this turn for all of us. The global divide just got wider. Cold War II just got colder. The alienation of East and West is now down as a more or less permanent state of affairs. And the world just lost the one country capable of mitigating these dreadful circumstances by dint of its special, maybe singular position in the community of nations.

Germans lived this way, making no apologies, for a long time. They could allow the U.S. to station 200,000 troops on their soil — the figure at the Cold War’s end — while pursuing Willi Brandt’s Ostpolitik, the Federal Republic’s opening to the German Democratic Republic and by extension the whole of the East Bloc. It was Germany that invested with Gazprom, the Russian energy conglomerate, in the Nord Stream I and II pipelines even amid rising East–West tensions.

On the long drive into Moscow from Domodedovo International Airport, the broad thoroughfares are lined with German car dealers, German construction cranes, the factories of German companies. German businesses, along with many German citizens, were vociferous critics of the sanctions regime the U.S. imposed on Russia — and effectively on Europe, indeed — after the U.S.-choreographed coup in Kiev eight years ago set in motion the current crisis in Ukraine.

I read those two extraordinary interviews Angela Merkel granted Der Spiegel and Die Zeit last week against this history, this record, this ordained state of ambiguity. If there is one truth that may stand above all others in the former chancellor’s astonishing revelations of Berlin’s duplicity in its dealings with Moscow, it is that the Federal Republic has abandoned its inheritance — its natural state, indeed —and so the considerable responsibilities the past and geography awarded it.

It is odd to consider the view of Prince Heinrich XIII, the German aristocrat just arrested for leading a plot to overthrow the Berlin government (a set of absurd allegations, I must mention right away, I do not for a minute take seriously absent credible evidence, and I do not expect we will ever see any). It seems the prince has long argued that Germany did not become a new nation after World War II but a wholly owned subsidiary of the U.S.

“We are not Germans. We are not in a real German state,” his alleged followers are quoted as saying in a (highly misleading) New York Times piece published Sunday. “We are just a branch of a GmBH,” this last meaning a limited liability company.

How strange to read this the same week that Merkel removed all doubt this is precisely the German condition — arguably since the early postwar years, certainly since Washington committed itself and its allies to its all-out, all-in campaign to bring NATO to Russia’s very doorstep and ultimately to subvert the Russian Federation.

And while I do not know much about the prince’s politics, how interesting to hear a German citizen object, in effect, that the Federal Republic has betrayed itself and its historical inheritance the very week its former chancellor told Germany’s leading newsmagazine and one of its leading dailies that the fruitful ambiguity of the nation’s past is gone now in favor of the manipulative, Russophobic dishonesty that lies at the heart of the proxy war the U.S. now wages against Russia in Ukraine.

As has been widely reported and excellently analyzed — except in the mainstream American press, where Merkel’s remarks last week go unmentioned — the former German leader described her cynical, treacherous betrayal of Moscow during negotiations of the two Minsk Protocols, the first signed in September 2014 and the second the following February.

Berlin, Paris, the post-coup Kiev regime and Moscow were signatories to those accords. How well I recall the earnestness with which Russian President Vladimir Putin entered into the talks. How hopeful many of us were that, with Kiev having swiftly breached Minsk I, the second accord would produce what the Russian president sought — a lasting settlement that would leave Ukraine united and stabilize the security order on Russia’s southwestern border and Europe’s eastern flank.

Earlier this year Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine’s first post-coup president, shocked everybody when he stated publicly that Kiev never had any intention of honoring the commitments it made when it signed the Minsk Protocols: The talks in the Belarusian capital and all the promises were meant simply to buy time while Ukraine built fortifications in the eastern regions and trained and armed a military strong enough to wage a full-dress war of aggression against the Russian-tilted Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

There was never any interest in the federal structure envisioned in Minsk II. There was never any intention of granting the breakaway regions the measure of autonomy Ukraine’s history and its mixed languages, cultures and traditions called for. Committing to all that was a ruse intended to deceive Moscow and the Donbass republics while Ukraine rearmed and shelled the latter in anticipation of the war that broke out in February.

Shocking, O.K. But Poroshenko was a jumped-up candy magnate running the wildly irresponsible, rabidly Russophobic regime that had seized power in Kiev. So: Shocking but also in keeping with the conduct of a corrupt-up-to-the-eyebrows pack of nobodies with no notion or regard for statecraft or responsible governance.

It is another matter, to state the very obvious, for Merkel to say the very same things. The former chancellor was supposed to be leading the West’s diplomatic démarche along with François Hollande, France’s president at the time and plainly a junior partner to Europe’s most powerful political figure. By her own account, she was using diplomacy just as Kiev was, to scuttle the accord she pretended to sponsor.

The U.S., to remind readers, was not part of the Minsk talks. On the one hand, it stood squarely against any settlement with either Russia or the breakaway regions. On the other, there was no point inviting the U.S. to Minsk because its position was obvious and its presence would be counterproductive. Now that Merkel has spoken of these matters, the German position seems to have been that the West needed the accord nobody in the West wanted if time was to be bought for Ukraine’s rearming.

Merkel’s interviews with Der Spiegel and to Die Zeit, which are here and here, were in the way of sprawling retrospectives during which friendly correspondents pitched a series of softballs to a chancellor given to looking back. Minsk and the Ukraine conflict were two topics among many. The documents give the impression that Merkel spoke casually and unguardedly of them. The damning passages are brief but very clear.

Der Spiegel:

“She believes that… later during the Minsk talks, she was able to buy the time Ukraine needed to better fend off the Russian attack. She says it is now a strong, well-fortified country. Back then, she is certain, it would have been overrun by Putin’s troops.”

In Die Zeit, the second of the two interviews, Merkel described the Minsk talks as “an attempt to give Ukraine time… to become stronger,” later expressing satisfaction that this strategy — a straight-out abuse of the diplomatic process — has succeeded.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600745894365736960

There are various interpretations of Merkel’s remarks. They are generally taken at face value, as an offhandedly delivered admission of her duplicity — and by extension the West’s — in her dealings with Russia on the Ukraine question. Moon of Alabama, a German publication, reads the interviews as Merkel’s attempt to protect her political reputation as Germany’s leadership circles succumb to the kind of Russophobia common in the U.S. but not, heretofore, in the Federal Republic.

I find both of these readings plausible. Either way, the important topic now before us is the damage Merkel did in 2014 and 2015 and the consequences of her comments last week.

Much has been written and said about the fatal blow that Merkel dealt to trust in diplomatic affairs, and I think “fatal” is our word. Ray McGovern was eloquent on this topic, bringing a lifetime’s professional experience to the question, during a long exchange with Glenn Diesen and Alexander Mercouris last week.

A measure of trust was essential between Washington and Moscow even during the Cold War’s most perilous passages. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved as it was because U.S. President John F. Kennedy and the Soviet premier, Nikita Khrushchev, were able sufficiently to trust one another. This trust no longer exists, as Putin and other Russian officials have made clear in responding to publication of the two German interviews.

Moscow and Beijing have said repeatedly since Joe Biden assumed office not quite two years ago that there is no trusting the Americans. The follow-on thought is that there is no point negotiating with them in a diplomatic context. For various Russian officials, from Putin on over and down, Merkel’s revelations seem grimly to have confirmed these conclusions.

It is a major turn that Moscow now includes the Europeans, and especially the Germans, in this assessment. Germany now tells the lies of which the American empire is made — a matter of anxiety and sadness all at once. If scorched-earth diplomacy is a fitting name for what the West has been up to in its dealings with Russia since 2014, as I think it is, the German bridge between West and East has been burnt.

The gravity of these conclusions, the implications as we face forward, are immense for the West and non–West alike. A world replete with hostilities is one we all know. A world devoid of trust and talking will prove another matter. As we now see in the Ukraine context, there is no possibility for diplomacy, negotiation or dialogue of any kind without trust. We read daily of the result in those few publications reporting this war honestly.


PS.For everyone sake hope there no nuclear war for everyone fighting over a corrupt country urkraine with no strategic value for the west. The real enemy is CCP China not Russia! The only winner is Miltary Industrial Complex in USA they are getting rich of diminishing weapons of stockpile.

 

[Valcazar]

Trying to spin all you want! History shows we the west is in the wrong here! Just like IRAQ WMD which I foolishl support at that time When I was young and naive!!

Wait.
You supported the US invasion of Iraq and you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Then at least you are consistent that anyone with more military might has the right to overthrow and invade whoever they want no matter how bullshit the reason.

I disagree, but at least you are consistent.
Own it!

 

[Addict2sex]

Wait.
You supported the US invasion of Iraq and you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Then at least you are consistent that anyone with more military might has the right to overthrow and invade whoever they want no matter how bullshit the reason.

I disagree, but at least you are consistent.
Own it!

I did support of US invasion of IRAQ based on false information! I owe it … Not my proud moment ! I was youmg and navie! I was wrong !! I believe in mainstream media that they never lie and they always. tell the truth! I got fooled by the mainstream media and the lies from the Bush Administration and from UK( Tony Blair ) .
I don’t support the west NATO ( USA proxy war with Russia)! I don’t support any war!! I don’t support Urkraine!!! I support the truth!!
I don’t support lies and propaganda spin by NATO or by mainstream media!! History show west and NATO is in the wrong side of history!
I don’t support a corrupt leader Zenlenski and I don’t support Urkanine NAZI !! Also President Zelensky and his Urkanine NAZi was killing thousands of Russian speaking don bass region also. I don’t support Urkanine Zenlenski ! I also know corrupt leader such as Putin is no angel either! I also know fighting a proxy war can lead to no good outcome and can start a accidental nuclear war with no winner! Unfortunately people with nuclear weapons do have leverage example North Korea! Another word don’t fight a nuclear battle it better for everyone. Don’t you think?

I don’t support my money sending to corrupt dictator to Urkaraine government! This war in Urkanine I predict will be over in sometime in late 2023 or early 2024.. Urkanine cannot beat a superior Russian army ! They doing shock and awe with Iran drone on Urkanine infrastructure on their electric grid! It inevitably over for Urkanine. The major Urkanine population will overwhelm Europe when they become refugees get fed up and start to leave Urkanine to Europe!

Russian winter always win. Try living in winter without basic necessities like food , water, electricity, gasoline! People in the city will leave the war zone and end shock and awe always win When done on modern city or modern country that depend on fossils fuel and electricity for modern living!

 

[Valcazar]

You don't support any war but you support Russia invading Ukraine?
Is that not a war?

 

[Addict2sex]

You don't support any war but you support Russia invading Ukraine?
Is that not a war?

I don’t support lies! I don’t support Urkanine Government! I don’t support my tax paying money to a corrupt Urkanine government! I rather my tax money given to poor people in Africa instead or my tax money spend on Toronto building house for the homeless instead!
Russia is in the right side of history even Putin is evil and a murderer also. But I can also say Bush is too for some sort of responsible for the death of IRAQ people too with his fake IRAQ WMD ,
if Urkanine honour the agrement they signed they would had no war and could had keep all their territory which wasn’t given to them by Russia! Unfortunately Urkanine nazi was killing Donbas russIan inhabitants thousands was killed by Urkanine Nazi!
Putin had no choice had to protect his Russian Donbas population who favoured separation or favour closer ties with Russia!

 

[Valcazar]

How is Russia on the right side of history here?

But also, it just sounds like you are an isolationist.
Then why not be an isolationist?
You don't need to make up shit about other countries to have the position that the US should never get involved in anything internationally.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

I did support of US invasion of IRAQ based on false information! I owe it … Not my proud moment ! I was youmg and navie! I was wrong !! I believe in mainstream media that they never lie and they always. tell the truth! I got fooled by the mainstream media and the lies from the Bush Administration and from UK( Tony Blair ) .
I don’t support the west NATO ( USA proxy war with Russia)! I don’t support any war!! I don’t support Urkraine!!! I support the truth!!
I don’t support lies and propaganda spin by NATO or by mainstream media!! History show west and NATO is in the wrong side of history!
I don’t support a corrupt leader Zenlenski and I don’t support Urkanine NAZI !! Also President Zelensky and his Urkanine NAZi was killing thousands of Russian speaking don bass region also. I don’t support Urkanine Zenlenski ! I also know corrupt leader such as Putin is no angel either! I also know fighting a proxy war can lead to no good outcome and can start a accidental nuclear war with no winner! Unfortunately people with nuclear weapons do have leverage example North Korea! Another word don’t fight a nuclear battle it better for everyone. Don’t you think?

I don’t support my money sending to corrupt dictator to Urkaraine government! This war in Urkanine I predict will be over in sometime in late 2023 or early 2024.. Urkanine cannot beat a superior Russian army ! They doing shock and awe with Iran drone on Urkanine infrastructure on their electric grid! It inevitably over for Urkanine. The major Urkanine population will overwhelm Europe when they become refugees get fed up and start to leave Urkanine to Europe!

Russian winter always win. Try living in winter without basic necessities like food , water, electricity, gasoline! People in the city will leave the war zone and end shock and awe always win When done on modern city or modern country that depend on fossils fuel and electricity for modern living!

so you admit your wrong every time? I might be starting to respect you afterall

 

[Addict2sex]

so you admit your wrong every time? I might be starting to respect you afterall

Dont put word in my mouth. I am wrong on IRAQ WMD support because I believed in the lies by Bush and Tony Blair! I am not wrong at every turn!!! You believe in the lies by the Ukraine Nazi government
Now I don’t believe the lies by Urkanine government!! And the lies by the mainstream media!

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Dont put word in my mouth. I am wrong on IRAQ WMD support because I believed in the lies by Bush and Tony Blair! I am not wrong at every turn!!! You believe in the lies by the Ukraine Nazi government
Now I don’t believe the lies by Urkanine government!! And the lies by the mainstream media!

So what happened in Iraq ? An American Republican government along with Fox fake news duped the American public into thinking that invading Iraq was justified. The GOPee have kept using these exact same tactics ever since so what makes you think their lies are true now ?

 

[Addict2sex]

So what happened in Iraq ? An American Republican government along with Fox fake news duped the American public into thinking that invading Iraq was justified. The GOPee have kept using these exact same tactics ever since so what makes you think their lies are true now ?

Fox support, CNN support, MSNBC support, can go on and on. That even counted on UK a media like BBC, etc..
Mainstrain media support IRAQ war with the fake WMD. I pretty sure also the Democratic support the IRAQ war 2 with the IRAQ WMD too!

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Fox support, CNN support, MSNBC support, can go on and on. That even counted on UK a media like BBC, etc..
Mainstrain media support IRAQ war with the fake WMD. I pretty sure also the Democratic support the IRAQ war 2 with the IRAQ WMD too!

That was the great divide in the US. 9/11 completely stunned the country and the GOPee took complete advantage. Canada spoke out as did France. Canadians were assaulted in the US and Bush banned the name french fries although they are actually Belgian. It was the rise of MAGAtry. Conservative americans never admitted they were wrong and the same people wont admit they were trump supporters. If you were wrong once what makes you tihnk you arent wrong again? The conditions and players are the same.

 

[Frankfooter]

Dont put word in my mouth. I am wrong on IRAQ WMD support because I believed in the lies by Bush and Tony Blair! I am not wrong at every turn!!! You believe in the lies by the Ukraine Nazi government
Now I don’t believe the lies by Urkanine government!! And the lies by the mainstream media!

So the MSM lied to you about Iraq?
Who told you about nazis in Ukraine?

 

[Addict2sex]

Who told you about nazis in Ukraine?

UN and also I can find some of my previous post on Terb . Don’t make me look for it! It would make you look dumb! So don’t act stupid!

 

[Frankfooter]

UN and also I can find some of my previous post on Terb . Don’t make me look for it! It would make you look dumb! So don’t act stupid!

How come you're so sure you haven't lied to again?

 

[Addict2sex]

How come you're so sure you haven't lied to again?

Declassify CIA paper.

Revealed: How the CIA protected Nazi murderers

US shielded war-time collaborators to try to destabilise Soviet Union

www.independent.co.uk