Cops
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What you gonna do if they come for you....
The cops aren't interested in independent providers as a rule. The one thing that they are interested in is human trafficking. The majority of the busts in the past few years have centred around the Asian scene. Asian ads that seem to have a large rotation of ladies would be ones that I would avoid.
The police more than have their hands full with streetbprostitution and human trafgicking
And even if for some reason they wanted to target the customers of legit providers...they have to prove you are exchanging money for sex, not just time, that is much harder to do to a level that the Crown will prosecute. So not really worth their time. Human trafficking and underage prostitution are much more important and worth there limited resources.
If you are that paranoid then this isn’t the hobby for you!
Meh.
The police label every migrant (especially Asian) in sex work as a "trafficking" victim, irrespective if there is evidence or the claim is repudiated. They love to style themselves as heroes and incite moral panic amongst the general public.
I'll take my chances with the residential brothels. Probably wouldn't step into the storefront stuff though.
I can say with a lot of confidence that the Asian spa's here are not human trafficking, the ladies know exactly what they are coming to Canada for and make good money, much more than they would in Hong Kong or Taiwan. And they are brought in under a Temporary Foreign Workers permit with Immigration Canada, so its all done legally.
You're probably correct but people would have said the same about the Milf Factory.
Actually I would disagree on that point. If they are brought in under that provision of immigration law then they are not declared as "sex workers". All types of sex workers are excluded. The best example is women wanting to come in as dancers. That is not allowed and if found out they will be given a ticket home courtesy of the Canadian Taxpayer.
I don't think the storefront girls are trafficked. I do think they're more likely to be targeted by police.
Some of them have been around for a while, but if ever there is a reason to crackdown on prostitution, politically driven or otherwise, I can see LE going after massage parlors and congratulating themselves on busting a trafficking operation.
You likely will not be in any contact with LEO unless you are picking up ladies on the Avenues or if you are found to be with someone who is obviously being trafficked or not of age.
While I am new with my interest in Ottawa, I have about two decades of visits to Toronto, following court cases etc.
In the US such stings with the excuse of sex trafficking, when nothing more than private consenting adults is very common (for decades), there have now been 3 successful challenges to C36 based on the same arguments against the won prior law (Charter Rights for the security of person) and in each case the Crown did not appeal - probably since they may think they would use). The original Ontario Supreme Court case was one of the longest best-written case against the old law by the lower Court (outcall was legal but incalls were not or living off the avails until that big case. This resulted in C36. There is now yet another ongoing case against C36 by a sexworkers group but mostly related to street work, I believe. In my view, street work is a public nuisance issue yet it is survival sadly for some women.
In the US I have always promoted making legal safe, private, consenting adult sexwork but was at odds with SWOP founder (big in US) since they were mostly about street "workers".
I would think before Ottawa would go after in private consenting, non-trafficked adults, since not appealed, these cases would discourage that since I believe would act as a precedent for all in Ontario. I am not a lawyer so others may know better but I have followed US and Canadian laws for decades, involved in two 9th Circuit appeals in the US (lost both once on making swing clubs illegal in Phoenix, and lost on the attack on California prostitution law even though arguments expanding Lawrence vs Texas, etc I felt were strong.
BTW, what is sex trafficking? Long ago in Toronto, there were a bunch of Russian agencies - yes run by the Russian mob as I understand it. But the women were willing to work for them to pay off the "handlers" which got them into Canada. They sent part of their earnings to poor families back in Russia and had to pay off their handlers. Then as I understand it totally free to do whatever they wished. They knew exactly what they were going to do in Canada and some of the best reviews were of these Russian agency women maybe a decade ago.
I have no idea if that is similar to the Asian situation in Canada. When I was in Bangkok and the Philippines, the bar girls/strippers knowingly worked for their employers, sent money home to family "upcountry" yet police would do raids all under the excuse of sex trafficking when they were all consenting adults. Usually tossed in "child sex trafficking even though they were all adult-aged.
BTW2 - A few years ago I had an escort come to my hotel in Toronto (I don't pay for any sex just naked cuddling, massage, etc all legal under C36.) She never showed up. She called me later by phone and told me she was stopped in the driveway of the hotel by cops. She has no idea how they knew she was an escort. The only question they asked was if she was doing sexwork by choice and not forced. Of course not she was an indy. She was freaked out enough not to meet me at the hotel. But was relieved that was all they were interested in.
In the US such stings with the excuse of sex trafficking, when nothing more than private consenting adults is very common (for decades), there have now been 3 successful challenges to C36 based on the same arguments against the won prior law (Charter Rights for the security of person) and in each case the Crown did not appeal - probably since they may think they would use). The original Ontario Supreme Court case was one of the longest best-written case against the old law by the lower Court (outcall was legal but incalls were not or living off the avails until that big case. This resulted in C36. There is now yet another ongoing case against C36 by a sexworkers group but mostly related to street work, I believe. In my view, street work is a public nuisance issue yet it is survival sadly for some women.
In the US I have always promoted making legal safe, private, consenting adult sexwork but was at odds with SWOP founder (big in US) since they were mostly about street "workers".
I would think before Ottawa would go after in private consenting, non-trafficked adults, since not appealed, these cases would discourage that since I believe would act as a precedent for all in Ontario. I am not a lawyer so others may know better but I have followed US and Canadian laws for decades, involved in two 9th Circuit appeals in the US (lost both once on making swing clubs illegal in Phoenix, and lost on the attack on California prostitution law even though arguments expanding Lawrence vs Texas, etc I felt were strong.
BTW, what is sex trafficking? Long ago in Toronto, there were a bunch of Russian agencies - yes run by the Russian mob as I understand it. But the women were willing to work for them to pay off the "handlers" which got them into Canada. They sent part of their earnings to poor families back in Russia and had to pay off their handlers. Then as I understand it totally free to do whatever they wished. They knew exactly what they were going to do in Canada and some of the best reviews were of these Russian agency women maybe a decade ago.
I have no idea if that is similar to the Asian situation in Canada. When I was in Bangkok and the Philippines, the bar girls/strippers knowingly worked for their employers, sent money home to family "upcountry" yet police would do raids all under the excuse of sex trafficking when they were all consenting adults. Usually tossed in "child sex trafficking even though they were all adult-aged.
BTW2 - A few years ago I had an escort come to my hotel in Toronto (I don't pay for any sex just naked cuddling, massage, etc all legal under C36.) She never showed up. She called me later by phone and told me she was stopped in the driveway of the hotel by cops. She has no idea how they knew she was an escort. The only question they asked was if she was doing sexwork by choice and not forced. Of course not she was an indy. She was freaked out enough not to meet me at the hotel. But was relieved that was all they were interested in.
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I'm always amazed how rabbit is so open on this, they answer the door in lingerie, i'm just like wow 
Hey!! Just wanted to confirm reassure you that ops specifically the ht unit is only concerned with ads that could be linked to HT. From what I was told MO is to sift through posts, trying to help potential victims rather than targeting/luring random “j*hns* there seems to be a general understanding that this industry is not black and white, however there is a side to it that definitely exploit’s people which is definitely not ok!! So long as you do your research as others have suggested you’re fine! 
Long story short stick with Maddie and you’ll be happy and safe.Hey!! Just wanted to confirm reassure you that ops specifically the ht unit is only concerned with ads that could be linked to HT. From what I was told MO is to sift through posts, trying to help potential victims rather than targeting/luring random “j*hns* there seems to be a general understanding that this industry is not black and white, however there is a side to it that definitely exploit’s people which is definitely not ok!! So long as you do your research as others have suggested you’re fine!
Maddie will always make you happy and safe, why take chances on some of the unknowns?
The cops didn't give a shit about the convoy, what makes you think they give a shit about random johns?
