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Valcazar

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How could Biden stop it?
If Biden let Russia do whatever it wanted, he could have stopped it.

Nottyboi's argument is this.
If someone wants to rape your wife, and you say no, then the fact the rape of your wife is violent is your fault.
If you just let him rape her without struggling, then the damage would be less.

Now, you and I might disagree that this is an exceptable solution, but it is a consistent one.
 

mandrill

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Ok lets go back to Ukraine, I say this time next year, odesa and wntire nikolaev region will together with transnistria be a part of the Russian federation, they might take and include Kiev as well just for the hell of it.
Why do you think that?

Russia has barely moved the yardsticks in months. And before that, they withdrew and evacuated the Kyiv and Kharkiv regions. Russia has essentially held on to its initial gains in the south and fuck all else.
 
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mandrill

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If Biden let Russia do whatever it wanted, he could have stopped it.
Nottyboi's argument is this.
If someone wants to rape your wife, and you say no, then the fact the rape of your wife is violent is your fault.
If you just let him rape her without struggling, then the damage would be less.
Now, you and I might disagree that this is an exceptable solution, but it is a consistent one.
"And it's kinda neat someone is raping your wife because you're an asshole and it serves you right". That's the other part of notty's worldview.
 

y2kmark

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Maby so but Ukro Nazis hit thkse barracks, are you saying Nazis are killing Nazis ? I see that as a good thing long live USA, slavs be fighting slavs nothing new.... if you need more gums we will hPpily send more, and tons of cike for vladimir to powder his nose lol
Nazi killing Nazi would be the best of all possible worlds. Maybe Atomwaffen will go after MTG or something...
 

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nottyboi

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Yes, he tried very hard to stop it.
That you think otherwise is kind of embarassing for you.
Nonsense, he did not make so much as phone call to Putin in the last 2 weeks when the USA was 100% certain (Probably because Russian intelligence told them through back channels).
 

nottyboi

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If Biden let Russia do whatever it wanted, he could have stopped it.

Nottyboi's argument is this.
If someone wants to rape your wife, and you say no, then the fact the rape of your wife is violent is your fault.
If you just let him rape her without struggling, then the damage would be less.

Now, you and I might disagree that this is an exceptable solution, but it is a consistent one.
That is UTTER nonsense. Putin wanted assurances Ukraine would not join NATO. It has since been revealed NATO had NO INTENTION of admitting Ukraine. It was just a provocation. The war was part of the plan of the US.
 

nottyboi

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Why do you think that?

Russia has barely moved the yardsticks in months. And before that, they withdrew and evacuated the Kyiv and Kharkiv regions. Russia has essentially held on to its initial gains in the south and fuck all else.
:ROFLMAO: You really don't understand the geography of Ukraine. After Donbass the center is wide open country until Kiev. Once the battle of Donbas is concluded Ukraine will have very little left to defend it.
 
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:ROFLMAO: You really don't understand the geography of Ukraine. After Donbass the center is wide open country until Kiev. Once the battle of Donbas is concluded Ukraine will have very little left to defend it.
Didn't know that Dugin has a son!

Wonder how much longer before he suffers the same Putin ordained fate that befell his poor Russian fascist sister?
 
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six_pac

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Why do you think that?

Russia has barely moved the yardsticks in months. And before that, they withdrew and evacuated the Kyiv and Kharkiv regions. Russia has essentially held on to its initial gains in the south and fuck all else.
They fucked up at the begining of the campaign, hoping to topple the regime and save innocent lives, as well as spare the country the destruction of total war.

Needless to say that they have changed their minds, by the time this is over nothing will be left of the ukranian army, and burrying your head in the sand and beleiving a fairy tales like that a few extra rocket launchers and howitzers will change thw tide is just stupid ans kamikaze like.
 

mandrill

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They fucked up at the begining of the campaign, hoping to topple the regime and save innocent lives, as well as spare the country the destruction of total war.

Needless to say that they have changed their minds, by the time this is over nothing will be left of the ukranian army, and burrying your head in the sand and beleiving a fairy tales like that a few extra rocket launchers and howitzers will change thw tide is just stupid ans kamikaze like.
Ok, 6-Pac.

When do you predict that the Russian army will destroy the Ukrainian army?

Give me a date.
 
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silentkisser

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They fucked up at the begining of the campaign, hoping to topple the regime and save innocent lives, as well as spare the country the destruction of total war.

Needless to say that they have changed their minds, by the time this is over nothing will be left of the ukranian army, and burrying your head in the sand and beleiving a fairy tales like that a few extra rocket launchers and howitzers will change thw tide is just stupid ans kamikaze like.
Wow. That's an interesting claim. Russia, through poor intelligence, thought they would be welcome by Ukraine, and that they could take Kiev quickly. It had nothing to do with sparing the country of destruction, because it is obvious that Russia don't give a fuck. Now, the Western Allies were not sure how resilient Ukraine would be, so they didn't think they could or should send modern weapon systems to push Russia back. That has changed.

And it is apparent that Russia is suffering because of it. They cannot field enough modern equipment to mount an offensive. They cannot get enough troops to fight. They are trying to dig into the territory they basically already controlled with the hope of holding another sham referendum to give them some "legitimacy" in trying to hold on to that territory. However, Ukraine seems to have a different idea about that. From what we can see, they appear poised to launch an offensive and push Russia out of those areas. They seem to have better tactics and their troops have higher morale. Plus, the modern weapon systems are knocking out Russia positions and equipment.

If this war has done anything, it is destroy the myth of Russia's military might. I'm not saying I'd want to invade them or anything, but they cannot really sustain an offensive. Their equipment, from uniforms and radios to armoured vehicles and GPS systems are inadequate. Their military leadership sort of reminds me of the early days of WWI. When a office was killed, the men were basically left to fend for themselves. They were not told the major objectives or what they should do. So, early offences floundered. Russia's troops do not have a competent NCO class like most modern militaries. They need officers to lead, and they tend to die or be of low quality. So, again, offensives flounder at the first hint of trouble. Unless Russia declares this an actual war, the man power shortage will only get worse.
 

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Except for the tragedy of both Ukrainian and Russia humans being killed, this WAR OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION, it is proving to be a success in DESTROYING the fairytale of Russian military might.

And Putin neutering his own country for generations to come. Keep blowing your pathetic loads until you are spent.

And to bring out those Russians (and others) who in any way cheerlead or make excuse for their primitive barbarism… every one of them can go fuck themselves. They convince nobody except other ignorant mutts.
 

mandrill

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:ROFLMAO: You really don't understand the geography of Ukraine. After Donbass the center is wide open country until Kiev. Once the battle of Donbas is concluded Ukraine will have very little left to defend it.
When will the Battle of Donbass be "concluded", Notty? Russia takes a small village every couple of weeks. At this rate, it'll take literally years. And Russia will run out of men long before then.

And yes, it's the Pontine Steppe. But so is Donbass. And that doesn't mean it's a skating rink. There are trees, villages, crests, depressions - just no major forests or mountains. The Ukrainians do just fine in that country.

To blitz across Steppe, you need the sort of panzer force that Von Manstein had. It was so strong that it basically blasted and stomped anything that got in its way. And with no forests or mountains, it kept going. The Russians don't have that kind of force.
 

six_pac

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Wow. That's an interesting claim. Russia, through poor intelligence, thought they would be welcome by Ukraine, and that they could take Kiev quickly. It had nothing to do with sparing the country of destruction, because it is obvious that Russia don't give a fuck. Now, the Western Allies were not sure how resilient Ukraine would be, so they didn't think they could or should send modern weapon systems to push Russia back. That has changed.

And it is apparent that Russia is suffering because of it. They cannot field enough modern equipment to mount an offensive. They cannot get enough troops to fight. They are trying to dig into the territory they basically already controlled with the hope of holding another sham referendum to give them some "legitimacy" in trying to hold on to that territory. However, Ukraine seems to have a different idea about that. From what we can see, they appear poised to launch an offensive and push Russia out of those areas. They seem to have better tactics and their troops have higher morale. Plus, the modern weapon systems are knocking out Russia positions and equipment.

If this war has done anything, it is destroy the myth of Russia's military might. I'm not saying I'd want to invade them or anything, but they cannot really sustain an offensive. Their equipment, from uniforms and radios to armoured vehicles and GPS systems are inadequate. Their military leadership sort of reminds me of the early days of WWI. When a office was killed, the men were basically left to fend for themselves. They were not told the major objectives or what they should do. So, early offences floundered. Russia's troops do not have a competent NCO class like most modern militaries. They need officers to lead, and they tend to die or be of low quality. So, again, offensives flounder at the first hint of trouble. Unless Russia declares this an actual war, the man power shortage will only get worse.

Yeah you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and are just strocking yourself while imagining enormeous Russian losses lol.


Also since you keep mentioning that Russia is trying to hold on to parts it already controlled, i suggest looking at the map, and taking a good look at where they were before, and where they are now.

All of this said Ukraine is no Micky mouse state like Iraq, Libiya or Afghanistan, it has a strong and well trained army, that before this operation fielded hundreds of aircraft and thousands of vehicles, now the fact that they are begging for more should set alarm bells right away.

I beleive that this war is quite unfortunate and the fact that Russians and ukranians are fighting breaks my heart, but it was their choice to make, they were told what will happen if they didnt listen to reason.

Now if you knew anything aboit warfare, you should know that battles decide the coirses of wars, and right now Ukranians are being crushed on the battlefield, but this could change tmrw and they might take moscow in few weeks you never know.
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and are just strocking yourself while imagining enormeous Russian losses lol.


Also since you keep mentioning that Russia is trying to hold on to parts it already controlled, i suggest looking at the map, and taking a good look at where they were before, and where they are now.

All of this said Ukraine is no Micky mouse state like Iraq, Libiya or Afghanistan, it has a strong and well trained army, that before this operation fielded hundreds of aircraft and thousands of vehicles, now the fact that they are begging for more should set alarm bells right away.

I beleive that this war is quite unfortunate and the fact that Russians and ukranians are fighting breaks my heart, but it was their choice to make, they were told what will happen if they didnt listen to reason.

Now if you knew anything aboit warfare, you should know that battles decide the coirses of wars, and right now Ukranians are being crushed on the battlefield, but this could change tmrw and they might take moscow in few weeks you never know.
Russia has stopped taking new land and is moving their bases and arms depots further and further back, trying to get out of the reach of HIMARS and missiles.
They haven't won any real battles in months.



So now they are going to try to declare victory in Donbas and that's that.
Of course they could have had the same amount of land before the war with the declaration of independence.

 

nottyboi

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Except for the tragedy of both Ukrainian and Russia humans being killed, this WAR OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION, it is proving to be a success in DESTROYING the fairytale of Russian military might.

And Putin neutering his own country for generations to come. Keep blowing your pathetic loads until you are spent.

And to bring out those Russians (and others) who in any way cheerlead or make excuse for their primitive barbarism… every one of them can go fuck themselves. They convince nobody except other ignorant mutts.
Dude Russia is taking on a completely NATO trained and equipped army with about 15-20% of its total military power. If anything the myth of NATO power being shredded yet again. Afghanistan was the first mega failure of NATO. Ukraine is the second. The pace of Ukraine's collapse is accelerating. The so called Kherson offensive, never happened. Not gonna happen. And if it does it will be a meat grinder for Ukraine.
 
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nottyboi

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Russia has stopped taking new land and is moving their bases and arms depots further and further back, trying to get out of the reach of HIMARS and missiles.
They haven't won any real battles in months.



So now they are going to try to declare victory in Donbas and that's that.
Of course they could have had the same amount of land before the war with the declaration of independence.

Thats funny. How many times have we heard Russia is exhausted, Russia is a spent force. Russia has paused to rotate, rest and reequip troops, bring up fresh guns and tanks, rotate the worn ones back. There is NO WAY they wlll stop in Donbas, They are not stopping, not until its done.
 

Frankfooter

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Dude Russia is taking on a completely NATO trained and equipped army with about 15-20% of its total military power. If anything the myth of NATO power being shredded yet again. Afghanistan was the first mega failure of NATO. Ukraine is the second. The pace of Ukraine's collapse is accelerating. The so called Kherson offensive, never happened. Not gonna happen. And if it does it will be a meat grinder for Ukraine.
You missed the lesson of Afghanistan.
Guerilla resistance beats colonial invaders.
 
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