USSC strikes down Roe v Wade

Valcazar

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Well, the left was telling her to stay on as long as possible once trump was in power. So I guess they have set the precedent for people of that age being supreme court justices.

They haven't changed their mind now that perhaps the oldest judge is a so-called conservative judge, have they. That would make them frauds.
No, they didn't set the precedent. Two before her were sitting at 90 and there are a handful of others in the mid-80s before her.
I know you want to score "gotchas" but try to at least put a little effort in.
You look like the fraud you are this way.

And yes, once Trump won they urged her to stay in because they didn't want him picking the replacement.
The new standard is that if the President doesn't control the senate, they will never be allowed to seat a replacement again.
This is broken, and we will have to see how it plays out.
 
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Time to set up shop for drive through abortion clinics ? It could be like jiffy lube. Drive in, your boyfriend or husband can grab a beer at the local pub and voila all done. It would be a big hit in border towns like Windsor.
 

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Seeing as we both support abortion rights, I will assume that you simply misunderstood what I said. I never said "Protecting women and reproductive freedom is woke"(whatever the definition of protecting women is -Could be different interpretations).
But it is included in "woke" when people are using that.
That you don't want to include it (doubtful) isn't really the point.

What I am saying is that woke policies could very well interfere with your desire to have abortion rights. I suggest dropping the woke mind virus policies that are likely creating a large number of people changing their vote(or deciding not to vote) and hope to be able to hold onto the ability to filibuster any future republican attempt to create a national law making abortion illegal. Because the supreme court will not strike it down.
We agree.
The GOP propaganda pretending all kinds of nonsense is working and the Supreme Court is a reactionary bunch of unlawful goons who will strike down or support policies based on what they and Fox News prefer as opposed to actual legal theory.
It's identity politics all the way for the GOP, with the caveat that it can't interfere with making rich people richer and more powerful and gutting voting rights.

Believe what you like. If you think people will embrace defund the police ideas permeating areas of the Democrats, continuing changes that are getting easier on repeat and violent offenders, attempting to introduce the sexual education of children in school the way it has been happening, and a multitude of other policies, you risk losing a lot of cherished things.
Most people don't support those things.
That's why the GOP invented them.
If the Democrats won't support fake outrages the GOP wants them to support, the GOP will make it up and lie to people gullible enough to fall for it, such as yourself.

You have been warned, and not just by some no name on a Terb forum, but by Hillary Clinton herself......

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

You may be losing hispanics, Asians, and women not interested in having transgender people in their washrooms and on their sports teams. The Democrats are abandoning moderate liberals.
The ones obsessing over trans issues are the GOP.
And they are doing a good job.
Look how easily their mind virus has fucked with you.

Too bad I only support some conservative policies and not all. If that were the case, I would be suggesting you continue the woke mind virus policies.
If I thought for a minute this was a true statement, I'd be interested.
But you are pretty clearly a dyed-in-the-wool conservative.
You may have a couple of culture war issues you think the Biblical wing has "gone too far on" (doubtful) but I can't imagine a conservative policy of note you wouldn't support.
 
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So to "move beyond that" you posted a bunch of reasons why someone would choose.
OK...
Yes, I did. Somebody had to bring some intellect and rational thought to the debate.

"a minimum of 94.2% are performed to preserve the mother’s lifestyle or to please those close to her." I think buried in the "preserve the mother's lifestyle or to please those close to her" is aborted because the fetus is the "wrong" gender.

While not perfect, I think the current Irish model is a reasonable compromise between those who want unfettered access to abortions and those who don't want abortions under any circumstance.
Abortion in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia
 

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Claiming it is all her fault isn't fair, but she is far from blameless here.
She should have retired strategically and not doing that has resulted in a lot of her work being undone.
In a system as capricious and badly designed as the appointment of justices to the Supreme Court, not doing what you can to reduce the huge luck factor involved is a bad strategic choice.
I guess she believed the BS that Hillary would win and could never lose. They all thought she was going to be crowned.
It's not abortion as is that's the troubling aspect, it's the revoking of a human right.

That can only grease the slippery slope to authoritarianism, the USA will become a society ruled by repression and violence. The MAGAs are not holding back in brandishing their Neo-Nazi credentials.

The frauds are out again. Nowhere is abortion written down as a human right. The bible thumpers may even have a better argument of right to life for a living entity on life support. I support it abortion anyways.

Now the same old fraudulent tying in to violence(Do you mean like BLM or releasing criminals earlier?). And of course the fraudulent nazi comparison.
 

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But it is included in "woke" when people are using that.
That you don't want to include it (doubtful) isn't really the point.



Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?



The ones obsessing over trans issues are the GOP.
And they are doing a good job.
Look how easily their mind virus has fucked with you.



If I thought for a minute this was a true statement, I'd be interested.
But you are pretty clearly a dyed-in-the-wool conservative.
You may have a couple of culture war issues you think the Biblical wing has "gone too far on" (doubtful) but I can't imagine a conservative policy of note you wouldn't support.
That is because you are a fraud. I have already said multiple times that I support abortion, right up to as late as safely possible.

You destroy your credibility with fraudulent statements.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
The ones obsessing over trans issues are the GOP.
And they are doing a good job.
Look how easily their mind virus has fucked with you.
If you google feminists and transgender, you will find that a significant amount of feminists are extremely opposed. After all, it should be no surprise that a significant percentage of women don't want a bunch of guys saying they are girls in their washroom/changeroom/opposing sports teams). The rest of the goading/foolishness in your statement suggests that the woke left is foolishly going to triple down on wokism. Well, it is what it is and I can't change that. As much as I support abortion access, it is not my personal highest priority. If it falls by the wayside with a new national law because the dems got voted out en masse for tying themselves to the woke left, then it will be what it is. it is a price well worth paying(in my opinion) to get these awful people out of power.

Czar: Extremely good at reading comprehension....which is why I have destroyed the credibility of so many leftie frauds on this forum.
 

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That is because you are a fraud. I have already said multiple times that I support abortion, right up to as late as safely possible.

You destroy your credibility with fraudulent statements.



If you google feminists and transgender, you will find that a significant amount of feminists are extremely opposed. After all, it should be no surprise that they don't want a bunch of guys saying they are girls in their washroom. The rest of your statement suggests that the woke left is foolishly going to triple down on wokism. Well, it is what it is. As much as I support abortion access, it is not my personal highest priority. if it falls by the wayside with a new national law because the dems got voted out en masse for tying themselves to the woke left, then it will be what it is.

Czar: Extremely good at reading comprehension....which is why I have destroyed the credibility of so many leftie frauds on this forum.
Compare to the hardcore lefties on the Board, he is actually a moderate lefty who actually makes an effort to debate instead of saying you are full of shit like some others.
 

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I think the U.S. system works remarkably well (Almost as well as the Montreal system. Hee, hee).

The pendulum swings left and right. Trump just happened to come along at a time when the lefties swung so far left they were almost falling into the Pacific Ocean. So, intelligent, rational Dems either didn't vote or maybe even voted Trump.

Just like Ontario the hard working, law abiding and tax paying POC's are the fastest growing demographics in the U.S. and they lean strongly towards conservative values.

As for the SCOTUS, maybe it was/is time for new blood.
Question: Is Biden's attempt to game the system by expanding the court to 13 justices DOA?
 

Valcazar

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Samuel Jackson nails the SC.
If you're going to be all originalist you're going to have say why interracial marriages should be treated to different logic.
No he doesn't.
"Originalist" is just code for "whatever bullshit we decide".
The fact that it is incoherent and contradictory is part of the point.
It's like Trump's stupider lies - the fact they can do it despite it being so obvious shows off their power.
Thomas didn't signal for a case on Loving because he doesn't want one.
The others will probably not take any such case until Thomas is dead. Then they can overturn Loving if they feel like it.
Even if a case comes up that does allow them to overturn it, maybe Thomas votes against it or maybe they just make a decision that doesn't affect existing marriages for 5 years or 10 or however long Thomas thinks he will be alive.

We aren't talking about legal logic anymore - they have announced they don't even feel the need to pretend to care about that anymore.
"Fuck you, that's why" is the only standard.
 
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But, all the commercials on Canadian TV show the typical Canadian couple as black man and white woman. "Loving" is alive and well on Canadian commercial TV.
 

Valcazar

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Yes, I did. Somebody had to bring some intellect and rational thought to the debate.

"a minimum of 94.2% are performed to preserve the mother’s lifestyle or to please those close to her." I think buried in the "preserve the mother's lifestyle or to please those close to her" is aborted because the fetus is the "wrong" gender.


I'm still trying to see your point.
We believe the woman has a right to choose.
Is your argument "No, not if she chooses something I don't agree with?"
Why would I care about your qualms?
I feel like you think you have some "gotcha" here but I just don't see it.

While not perfect, I think the current Irish model is a reasonable compromise between those who want unfettered access to abortions and those who don't want abortions under any circumstance.


What parts do you think need to be improved?
 

Valcazar

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I guess she believed the BS that Hillary would win and could never lose. They all thought she was going to be crowned.
What nonsense are you talking about now?
This was 2013, before they lost the Senate. Once they lost the Senate it became a moot point once McConnel made clear he would never allow a vote on a replacement.
At that point retiring would have accomplished nothing and once Trump was in place it would accomplish even less.
The fault was hers (and, let's be honest, Breyer's but we don't mention him as much because he was pretty mediocre so he gets forgotten) for not retiring then.
We almost didn't get Breyer to retire, because he also wanted to stay.

Of the conservative justices, I don't expect Thomas to retire if he can help it - he strikes me as someone who wants to die on the court. (Although he might retire at 86 since he famously said that he wanted to make Liberals suffer for 43 years.) The others will all retire strategically if they can, in their 70s, I expect.

The frauds are out again. Nowhere is abortion written down as a human right. The bible thumpers may even have a better argument of right to life for a living entity on life support.
What are you even babbling about?

Now the same old fraudulent tying in to violence(Do you mean like BLM or releasing criminals earlier?). And of course the fraudulent nazi comparison.
I am glad you think the Right wing's appeal to violence do you feel is fradulent. It should be considered that in a democratic society.
What aspects of the Nazi comparison do you consider fradulent?
 

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That is because you are a fraud. I have already said multiple times that I support abortion, right up to as late as safely possible.
Yes, you have said it repeatedly.
I have no reason to believe it given your other statements on the board.

Just to clarify, "right up to as late as safely possible" means you support abortion for any reason whatsoever at any point where the abortion will not put the woman at risk?

If you google feminists and transgender, you will find that a significant amount of feminists are extremely opposed.
What does this have to do with your false idea that the Democrats are focusing exclusively or excessively on trans issues?
That people have opinions on all sorts of issues that are not the main focus of political parties isn't surprising - even if trans issues is a major focus of the GOP.

The rest of the goading/foolishness in your statement suggests that the woke left is foolishly going to triple down on wokism. Well, it is what it is and I can't change that.
The left isn't focusing on "wokism" - "wokism" is a focus of the Right almost exclusively.

As much as I support abortion access, it is not my personal highest priority. If it falls by the wayside with a new national law because the dems got voted out en masse for tying themselves to the woke left, then it will be what it is. it is a price well worth paying(in my opinion) to get these awful people out of power.
That brings up an interesting thing.
What do you support?
You have said you support some, but not all, conservative positions.
You claim one such position you disagree with the Conservative focus on (but not enough to vote about it) is access to abortion.
You also claim that "wokism" is so terrible that the Dems should lose over it, but say nothing about positions you actually want to see implemented.

In case my position isn't clear, I fully believe that you support virtually all Conservative positions so therefore would never vote Dem anyway, so all this talk of "they lost me with wokism" is bullshit.
So tell me what positions the Dems support that you support but just not enough in the face of all this "wokism".

Czar: Extremely good at reading comprehension....which is why I have destroyed the credibility of so many leftie frauds on this forum.
I do kind of admire your complete lack of self-awareness sometimes.
Must be a fun life to be so clueless.
 

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I think the U.S. system works remarkably well .
In what way?
That one party doesn't always win is bare minimum and not very indicative of the system working.
What parts do you think work well that are specific to the American system?

As for the SCOTUS, maybe it was/is time for new blood.
Question: Is Biden's attempt to game the system by expanding the court to 13 justices DOA?
It was.
This may have reinvigorated it.
Going back to the historical precedent of "one justice per circuit" would be smart, and allow for reasonable adjustments in the future, but people didn't want to rock the boat more than they had to.
The court deciding to stop pretending to not be lawless may change that.
 

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Well, no.
John Roberts is a vicious partisan who believes in suppressing democracy and will absolutely write nonsensical legal arguments to justify doing what he can to gut the Reconstruction amendments, reduce the power of the people, and increase corporate oligarchic control and favor the GOP.
He just thinks long-term strategy and has a belief in preserving the institutional deference the Supreme Court has.

If Garland was on the court and Roberts was able to get his "just make it 15 weeks" version passed Roe would be dead anyway - just without the fanfare.
The point was to destroy Casey's backstop of undue burden in such a way that each state could keep lowering the number and making the hurdles higher, while claiming it was still technically intact.

Is that better than pure lawlessness by the Court and open warfare on people's rights?
Yes, absolutely, because it allows a better framework to reconstruct those rights and the idea that the rule of law matters and stare decisis is valid.
That's all gone now.



Yes, this was a disaster. But unless you are going with "only the Democrats have agency" you can't just call this a Democratic fuck up.
Elections matter an elections happen. Lots of people voted for Trump.



Strategically, I do think this - and the local elections issue - is a Democratic fuck up.
Given the big-tent coalition nature of the Democratic voting bloc, it is extremely hard to keep them motivated at the lower end elections and not just for the big national stuff.
That's a problem and Obama famously dismantled his organization instead of working harder to maintain it.
Absolutely a strategic fuck up.




Only that's not what's happening.
The Democrats aren't the one focused on identity politics - the GOP is.
The direct appeal to identity politics to white non-college educated voters has been the pitch and it has worked.
Remember, the Democrats haven't won the white vote since 1964 (I think. 68 was a weird year with the threeway vote so I'd have to go digging to find numbers).
Unless you want to say "the Civil Rights Act was too woke", your idea that it is all down to recent focus on identity politics has some flaws.
This has been the GOP strategy since the 1960s - say everything the Dems are doing is too anti-white and not helping "real Americans".
Maybe it is true that the US is so racist that the only way the Dems can compete is by abandoning the people voting for them, but since most of what they are accused of are lies, I don't see how not doing a thing they are already not doing is going to help.
Roberts does not always vote along party lines. Example, Obama Care. The GOP tried to use the Supreme Court to kill the Affordable Health Care Act and it was Roberts who was the deciding vote in favour of Obama Care. And now we see Roberts voting to keep Roe. That makes him a bit of maverick in my eyes and not someone who votes down party lines, at least not on

As to the Democrats and the White vote, it was not "the White Vote" that propelled Biden to the White House in 2020. "The White Vote" is not a homogeneous group. Never has been.

If you look at 2020, the vote was virtually IDENTICAL to 2016. Blacks in 2020 voted as they did in 2016. Same for hispanics, same for city folks, same for rual voters. All except for ONE GROUP of distinct voters who flipped.

The suburb vote.

In terms of aggregate votes in these large suburban counties, there was a shift from a 1.2 million vote advantage for Trump in 2016 to (at last count) a 613,000 vote advantage for Biden—a nearly 2 million vote flip. (Quote Link =https://www.brookings.edu/research/bidens-victory-came-from-the-suburbs/)

That vote flip was huge and propelled Biden to the White House. Why? I don't know. Maybe they just had had enough of a raving lunatic for president. One thing is for sure, they aren't married to one political party or another.

Only one identifiable group.

Without the burbs, Biden would have lost.
 
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No, they didn't set the precedent. Two before her were sitting at 90 and there are a handful of others in the mid-80s before her.
I know you want to score "gotchas" but try to at least put a little effort in.
You look like the fraud you are this way.
No fraud here. Only proof that you are the one that doesn't comprehend. The precedent I was talking about was not the age of earlier justices, it was the leftie frauds calling on someone of Ginsburg's age not to retire, and then subsequently doing so when it just so happens that it could be beneficial to them. Which you admit was stated in the next paragraph below.

And yes, once Trump won they urged her to stay in because they didn't want him picking the replacement.
I guess the frauds are desperate and trying to accuse those who prove them to be frauds as frauds.

Don't worry Valcazar...I will make an error at some point. But if proven factually wrong, I will admit it.
 
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