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This Country needs free tuition for college

Claudia Love

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So many poor students are drowning in debt and they can't even land a job out of school to pay enough off without the interest killing them
 
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So tax payers are paying the salaries' of the professors'? Tax payers are footing the bill for the dorm rooms, the books, all the staff that make a college work, the maintenance of the entire campus?

College is expensive and that's because it's a privilege. Not everyone needs or even should go. There are plenty of programs/scholarships that help poorer people go. With respect, arguing that we should do away with tuition all together is just naive.
 

eddie kerr

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So many poor students are drowning in debt and they can't even land a job out of school to pay enough off without the interest killing them
It is not any worse than it was in years past. In 1957 I graduated from high school and wanted to go to university but my mother was a divorced single mother and could not afford to send me there, however, my brother who was 6 years younger was able to go to university because the province implemented student loans and he went to U of T, got a great job and retired at age 60 with a full pension. Some of the most expensive university tuitions are in the USA, while university education in Denmark is free of you reside there and come from an EU country.
 

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Post-secondary education is already heavily subsidized by the government, the net benefit is to the USA as many of our top graduates go to the US to pursue a career because there is less opportunity here.
 

saxon

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What is it with people today? Everyone wants everything for free, free education, free drug plans, free dental plans, free daycare. Whatever happened to just looking after yourself and not having to pay higher taxes to look after other peoples problems.
 

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What is it with people today? Everyone wants everything for free, free education, free drug plans, free dental plans, free daycare. Whatever happened to just looking after yourself and not having to pay higher taxes to look after other peoples problems.
Why spend your own money when you can spend other people's money!

You get a car! And you get a car! And you get a car! Everyone gets a car!!
 

Josephine Grey

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When you pay for school you care a lot more about your journey. Also, school in Canada are not THAT expensive. In Québec, it's almost free until university. Yet we have one of the highest dropout rate in Canada.
 
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So tax payers are paying the salaries' of the professors'? Tax payers are footing the bill for the dorm rooms, the books, all the staff that make a college work, the maintenance of the entire campus?

College is expensive and that's because it's a privilege. Not everyone needs or even should go. There are plenty of programs/scholarships that help poorer people go. With respect, arguing that we should do away with tuition all together is just naive.
Societies benefit from an educated population. Maybe not free tuition… but affordable.

“Higher education” has nothing to do with education. It’s confusing, because the word “education” is used… but it’s about debt creation. Plain and simple. Get as many kids to sign up for student loans as we possibly can and make sure there is no way out. It’s a financial vehicle in disguise.
 

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I think post high school education is affordable here. There are scholarships and grants. 4 months off at sumner means you can make some coin. Some courses have co ops as well.
Key is to take something that you can get a job and make a living.
 

John Wick

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In Canada today there is broad financial assistance available for those who cannot fund their education directly, so exceptionally few barriers to access to post-secondary education beyond academic qualification. That said, there is no such thing as a free lunch. I see no reason why post-secondary education should be FREE for anyone. If it is important to you, pursue it, but accept that there is a cost that will have to be paid which is pretty much the same price for any citizen of Canada, with some nuances depending on when you actually live in the country vs. what institution you want to attend.
 
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Claudia Love

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In Canada today there is broad financial assistance available for those who cannot fund their education directly, so exceptionally few barriers to access to post-secondary education beyond academic qualification. That said, there is no such thing as a free lunch. I see no reason why post-secondary education should be FREE for anyone. If it is important to you, pursue it, but accept that there is a cost that will have to be paid which is pretty much the same price for any citizen of Canada, with some nuances depending on when you actually live in the country vs. what institution you want to attend.
Its working for Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, France, and Denmark.
 

Josephine Grey

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do you seriously think I should pay lots when the govt does nothing for my liberty security and safety? next thing you know you'll be saying tax on each inch that enters you
The more you declare the more you can get. I understand the frustration with the government but if you only declare à third of your income, you won't be able to buy a house or anything big for that matter. Also might block you for a loan or credit margin in case you need it for an emergency. FYI.
 

Claudia Love

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The more you declare the more you can get. I understand the frustration with the government but if you only declare à third of your income, you won't be able to buy a house or anything big for that matter. Also might block you for a loan or credit margin in case you need it for an emergency. FYI.
if you declare your income the bank can "freeze"your account at 250,000 and theres nothing one can do but see all their hard work pissed away your declaring every customer who's a criminal according to the government
 

John Wick

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do you seriously think I should pay lots when the govt does nothing for my liberty security and safety? next thing you know you'll be saying tax on each inch that enters you
If you live in Canada, you are 100% accountable and responsible to report 100% of your income and pay the associated tax rate established for your income bracket. No exceptions based on personal political or policy views. You are not special in any way, nor any different from any other citizen. If you don't, you deserve and should accept and consequences that may come your way due to non-compliance.
 

Claudia Love

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If you live in Canada, you are 100% accountable and responsible to report 100% of your income and pay the associated tax rate established for your income bracket. No exceptions based on personal political or policy views. You are not special in any way, nor any different from any other citizen. If you don't, you deserve and should accept and consequences that may come your way due to non-compliance.
your not understanding this my clients are classified as criminals.....your a criminal seeing escorts how does that make you feel that you could go to jail for simply wanting fun?
 

John Wick

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Its working for Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, France, and Denmark.
We don't live in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, France, and Denmark. We live in Canada. Those countries and ours are in fact very very different in some fundamental ways. What works there won't necessarily work here, and what is a fit there based on how they're set up may not be a fit here. It's too broad of an assumption that just because it works there it is by default a slam dunk here.
 
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