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toguy5252

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Making it illegal won't do much. There's lots of other semi auto's that are manufactured that will step in to fill the gap. The AR15 is only one design. It just happens to be extremely popular because it's "America's" rifle. Designed and built in the U.S. If it's banned, people will just buy or design other semi autos. Already happening in Canada.
It is not the end but rather a start. The AR15 is by far the most common type of rifle in that category and the gun of choice for most mass shooters. The red herring that people will but something else is js that a red herring. But i agree there should be very stringent regulations on the ownership and storage of all guns but automatic and semi-automatic weapons in particular.
 

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No none knows because the problem is nationwide. ..
So therefore you have no basis for your claims. Some unknown number of people being employed to eradicate pests species is hardly a justification why the average person need blinged out ARs to hunt with.
 

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My comment was not intended to be a dig or criticism. if you took it that way i apologize. Martins Criminal Code is not a summary. it is the actual legislation that governs criminal law in Canada. It is annotated with cases etc.

In any event the Crown often stays cases when they believe that diversion from the criminal justice system would serve the interests of justice. In fact at least in Ontario the Crown has a very high conviction rate. Most cases result in a plea which is a good system and most accused. Most accused are not murderers etc but people who commit one offence and are never heard from again in the criminal justice system so diversion is a good thing. That is not being soft on crim but rather not believing that jailing everyone is a panacea.
I wish Crown in B.C. and Quebec was the same as the rest of Canada, but it's never going to change.
 

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Making it illegal won't do much. There's lots of other semi auto's that are manufactured that will step in to fill the gap. The AR15 is only one design. It just happens to be extremely popular because it's "America's" rifle. Designed and built in the U.S. If it's banned, people will just buy or design other semi autos. Already happening in Canada.
Yes. That's why many people are advocating banning all semi-auto rifles.
 

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So therefore you have no basis for your claims. Some unknown number of people being employed to eradicate pests species is hardly a justification why the average person need blinged out ARs to hunt with.
I'm back to spoon feeding you again. It's apparent you don't know the extent of the problem or how serious it is that some states will let you hunt hogs 24/7 with no limit or permit required. They want all 9 million of them gone, so they're more than happy to have as many people out hunting them with whatever they got.
 
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You can claim to be whatever you want on here. No one is going to stop you, but I know you've made some slip ups that have raised flags to your credibility.
Based on the fact that you've read one report?

You're an impressive guy. Bet you tell brain surgeons how to operate as well.
 
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Based on the fact that you've read one report?

You're an impressive guy. Bet you tell brain surgeons how to operate as well.
I don't tell anyone how to do their job. If they want to fuck up, that's up to them.

I've never told you how to do your job.
 

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I wish Crown in B.C. and Quebec was the same as the rest of Canada, but it's never going to change.
I have very limited experience in BC and less in Quebec but i would very surprised if the crowns in BC were any different than Ontario. Quebec I have no idea.
 

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I have very limited experience in BC and less in Quebec but i would very surprised if the crowns in BC were any different than Ontario. Quebec I have no idea.
They are responsible for charge approval out here, not the police so they operate slightly differently.
 

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They are responsible for charge approval out here, not the police so they operate slightly differently.
That may be the case but you cannot lump all offenders in together. Diversion is a very successful program and most non-violent first offenders should be diverted.
 

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That may be the case but you cannot lump all offenders in together. Diversion is a very successful program and most non-violent first offenders should be diverted.
I'm not a lock them up and throw away the key believer for all offences, but I can tell you, they go pretty easy on repeat offenders out here.
 

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I'm not a lock them up and throw away the key for all offences, but I can tell you, they go pretty easy on repeat offenders out here.
I will defer to your obviously great er experience with BC but having said that I am skeptical.
 

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I'm back to spoon feeding you again. It's apparent you don't know the extent of the problem or how serious it is that some states will let you hunt hogs 24/7 with no limit or permit required. They want all 9 million of them gone, so they're more than happy to have as many people out hunting them with whatever they got.
Spoon feeding me? Sorry pal but you claimed that AR's are needed for hog extermination yet you admit you have absolutely no idea whether that is actually a common thing.



p.s. Google seems to agree with me. Every list for best hunting rifles I checked is mainly bolt actions with a few lever actions and the occasional muzzle loader.



But I'm sure there's someone who puts an AR or Ruger-14 on their list somewhere.
 

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Spoon feeding me? Sorry pal but you claimed that AR's are needed for hog extermination yet you admit you have absolutely no idea whether that is actually a common thing.



p.s. Google seems to agree with me. Every list for best hunting rifles I checked is mainly bolt actions with a few lever actions and the occasional muzzle loader.



But I'm sure there's someone who puts an AR or Ruger-14 on their list somewhere.
Your flawed Google search doesn't actually help you in trying to prove your point.
 

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Your flawed Google search doesn't actually help you in trying to prove your point.
Hmm. Sources and logic vs. your "oh yeah"?

Semi-autos aren't a good choice for hunting rifles and any hunter who needs that many rounds to take down their prey is a threat to every other hunter.
 

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Hmm. Sources and logic vs. your "oh yeah"?

Semi-autos aren't a good choice for hunting rifles and any hunter who needs that many rounds to take down their prey is a threat to every other hunter.
You still aren't very good at this.

You responded to a post about feral hog hunting, but try to bolster your claim by Googling "best hunting rifles". You're either being disingenuous or wilfully ignorant, or both.

On a tangentially related note, if you actually knew anything about hunters (I still don't buy your story about your friend of a friend) they're some of the biggest "gun nuts" out there, as they tend to amass many different specialized firearms for many possible scenarios. Where do semi-autos fit in? In instances where there are many, fast moving animals; like hogs or birds.
 

basketcase

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You still aren't very good at this.
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You mean keeping a consistent argument?

I've shown quite clearly that an AR or any semi-auto is not ideal as a hunting rifle. But your only argument is maybe the US needs 20 million AR's and millions of other semi-auto rifles because some people may use them to shoot wild hogs. Still trying to understand why you think any responsible hunter would prefer to fire a shot a second over actual aimed shots.

I still say the use of a semi-auto is either because people can't hit a target or they simply want to flex with a military looking weapon.
 
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