What Now, NDP

[Darts]

One never knows but I think the NDP is done.

The Conservatives have captured the hard working tax paying POC's in the 905. The lefty lies that the Conservatives and their supporters are a bunch of racist white supremacists backfired in their face.

With a very few exceptions, the NDP is basically a downtown Toronto party and no longer a provincial party.

 

[canada-man]

the NDP died with Jack Layton

 

[jcpro]

the NDP died with Jack Layton

The NDP in Ontario died with Bob Rae. Jack was always nothing but a downtown lefty

 

[Darts]

I wonder if the provincial Liberals and the downtown Toronto NDP will form a non-aggression pact? Even if they do, it may not matter because Ontario and its growing hardworking POC population is becoming more and more a "bread and butter" province. For example, how many POC's know or care whether they are binary or non-binary?

I think the Conservatives with their build the infrastructure policies will continue to capture much of the union votes. Both the NDP and Liberals (being true lefties) oppose Highway 413 and its high paying union jobs.

I can see in future elections, the NDP/Liberals might capture 80%-100% of the votes in downtown Toronto but that might not translate into many seats because of our FPTP system.
Ontario election results: Riding-by-riding map of the 2022 provincial vote | The Kingston Whig Standard (thewhig.com)

 

[jcpro]

I wonder if the provincial Liberals and the downtown Toronto NDP will form a non-aggression pact? Even if they do, it may not matter because Ontario and its growing hardworking POC population is becoming more and more a "bread and butter" province. For example, how many POC's know or care whether they are binary or non-binary?

I think the Conservatives with their build the infrastructure policies will continue to capture much of the union votes. Both the NDP and Liberals (being true lefties) oppose Highway 413 and its high paying union jobs.

I can see in future elections, the NDP/Liberals might capture 80%-100% of the votes in downtown Toronto but that might not translate into many seats because of our FPTP system.
Ontario election results: Riding-by-riding map of the 2022 provincial vote | The Kingston Whig Standard (thewhig.com)

The move of the private sector "working class" toward the more conservative position has been long time coming and rewards parties that concentrate on real issues like economy. And it's not happening because the voters are getting more conservative- not at all- simply the more lefty parties are embracing issues that don't matter much and matter even less in the times of economic pressures.

 

[rhuarc29]

I wouldn't read that much into it. While part of Ford's win is the fact that he focused on real issues that actually affect more than a fringe, his success in this election also had a lot to do with how unlikable the other candidates were. Del Duca even has the same problem that Andrew Scheer had: he has an unfortunate, creepy look. Horwath pretty much maxed out what she was capable of doing in 2018, and that was very much helped along by an extremely unpopular Liberal party at the time. That said, the boost she received in 2018 from people looking for a Liberal alternative seems to have faded somewhat.

Regardless, all it takes is a likable candidate to rekindle hope there, particularly if the Liberal party continues to flounder.

 

[tml]

Take a deep breath everyone. Political winds flow back and forth. You could argue this was Doug Ford's win more than the Conservative party's win. In 1984 the Federal Conservatives had one of the biggest landslides in Canadian history. Nine years later, they were almost completely wiped out.

 

[wigglee]

merge with the Libs and the Greens... all 3 have the same policies anyway and are just splitting the vote and allowing the Cons to win.

 

[Butler1000]

merge with the Libs and the Greens... all 3 have the same policies anyway and are just splitting the vote and allowing the Cons to win.

So you want a USA style two party system?

Anyway it will never happen. The NDP and Liberals hate eachother and the leaderships are not altruistic. They all crave power.

 

[Butler1000]

Take a deep breath everyone. Political winds flow back and forth. You could argue this was Doug Ford's win more than the Conservative party's win. In 1984 the Federal Conservatives had one of the biggest landslides in Canadian history. Nine years later, they were almost completely wiped out.

If Ford continues to act like a Bill Davis Conservative he can very easily see a third term.

 

[tml]

merge with the Libs and the Greens... all 3 have the same policies anyway and are just splitting the vote and allowing the Cons to win.

Isn't splitting the vote the reason the NDP was elected to govern provincially in Alberta?

 

[jcpro]

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[jcpro]

Take a deep breath everyone. Political winds flow back and forth. You could argue this was Doug Ford's win more than the Conservative party's win. In 1984 the Federal Conservatives had one of the biggest landslides in Canadian history. Nine years later, they were almost completely wiped out.

Can't take a deep breath. It's 2022 and everything is an existential crisis on the verge of destroying our "democracy ".

 

[mandrill]

If Ford continues to act like a Bill Davis Conservative he can very easily see a third term.

Depends on the scandal factor, whether the electorate gets bored with him, the likeability of opposition pols, etc.

 

[Darts]

The key to political power in Ontario (but not downtown Toronto) are the POC's. Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, the Chinese, etc. are naturally conservative and have conservative values.

The risk is that the second and third generations of POC's will be corrupted by the NDP and Liberals.

 

[Frankfooter]

Depends on the scandal factor, whether the electorate gets bored with him, the likeability of opposition pols, etc.

Ford only had 17.8% of eligible voters actually cast a ballot for him.
He only won because the other two had horrid campaigns and presence.

 

[james t kirk]

If Ford continues to act like a Bill Davis Conservative he can very easily see a third term.

I was just reading along happily in this thread, content, so utterly content that the PC party won the other night.

And then I read your comment....

You hit the nail right on the head.

Bill Davis was the last great premiere this province had. And I was just a kid when he left office. But Bill Davis was very much a centrist. As were Robarts and Frost before him.

The PC "big blue machine" governed this province from the center for 42 or 43 years continuously. They only fucked up when they nominated Frank Miller to succeed Bill Davis as Miller was a right winger.

If Ford continues to govern responsibly and from the centre, he will be reelected in 4 years. I have no doubt of that.

This is my ideal government - centrist and responsible. Perfect.

 

[james t kirk]

Ford only had 17.8% of eligible voters actually cast a ballot for him.
He only won because the other two had horrid campaigns and presence.

And the other 2 leaders had even less.

So what?

People choosing not to vote only reflects on the voter, not the guys running for office.

And up till a week ago, you were predicting Ford was going to lose.

 

[mandrill]

I was just reading along happily in this thread, content, so utterly content that the PC party won the other night.
And then I read your comment....
You hit the nail right on the head.
Bill Davis was the last great premiere this province had. And I was just a kid when he left office. But Bill Davis was very much a centrist. As were Robarts and Frost before him. The PC "big blue machine" governed this province from the center for 42 or 43 years continuously. They only fucked up when they nominated Frank Miller to succeed Bill Davis as Miller was a right winger.
If Ford continues to govern responsibly and from the centre, he will be reelected in 4 years. I have no doubt of that.
This is my ideal government - centrist and responsible. Perfect.

What I said earlier, James. Ontario is apolitical, if not anti political. What voters in this province want is a centre of the spectrum, non ideological government that "manages" the province like a business with no "surprises". Ontario will vote for anyone who seems to be "reliable" and fit the bill I just described.

Ford is a functional idiot with a family that's worse than embarrassing. He was parachuted into the previous election when McVety blackmailed Patrick Brown into dropping out with fake sexual assault bullshit claims. Duggo's electioneering largely involves hiding from the media as much as he can because he would embarrass himself, if given too much close attention. Despite this, Ontarians - including myself - will vote for him again and again because we have faith that he will "do what he's told by his handlers".

My nightmare scenario is the asshole Liberals coming back and again trying to do asshole dumb shit like threatening to tear down the Gardiner. Dumb shit like that is not "good management" and has every chance of fucking up our lives, mine especially. I am unlikely to EVER vote provincial Liberal again in my lifetime. That has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with wanting the province run efficiently and competently.

 

[Malibuk]

Ford only had 17.8% of eligible voters actually cast a ballot for him.
He only won because the other two had horrid campaigns and presence.

People who are anti-Ford are highly likely to make sure they vote for someone else, anybody else.

Low voter turnout means less desire for change.
Plus Ford supporters saw less urgency to vote as they were not needed.