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basketcase

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p.s. Why do you never comment on the fact that Palestinian polling even includes this question?
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Good pretence. Hamas media and preachers routinely promote hatred against Jews, Hamas' official policy is the elimination of the Jewish presence, and they recently threatened synagogues worldwide. The PA routinely promotes the idea of replacing Israel, not equal rights.

But of course you are happy to excuse hatred against Jews as long as there is any connection to Israel. Recent examples are you trying to claim settlers aren't civilians and saying it's okay to blame Jews around the world for Israel.
I don't really care about what you personally think about Palestinians or what you think they might do, we've heard it enough before.

We are talking about things that are actually happening, not things your hatred makes you think might happen.
And what is happening are marches backed by the government, police and army where Palestinians are attacked, property destroyed and 'death to Arabs' repeatedly yelled.

Apartheid is happening.
Settler colonialism is happening.
An illegal occupation is happening.


Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert
 

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p.s. Why do you never comment on the fact that Palestinian polling even includes this question?
End the illegal occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism if you want to get Palestinians to say nicer things about Israel and Israelis.
Its not rocket science.

 

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defending terrorists spreading anti-jewish hatred. that is the pro-palestinian way. they never defend the rights of the Palestinian People nor protesting against the repressive sharia laws in the Palestinian territories.



Palestinian NGOs laud release of Japan terror head with Lod massacre role
Known as the "empress of terror" Fusako Shigenobu co-founded the Japanese Red Army (JRA) terrorist group and worked with the PFLP.




Palestinian NGOs and activists celebrated the end of the prison term of "empress of terror" Fusako Shigenobu on Saturday, the co-founder of the Japanese Red Army (JRA) terrorist organization who coordinated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine to commit the 1972 Lod Airport Massacre which killed 26 and injured dozens.


"Human rights" groups praise arch-terrorist
"Fusako Shigenobu is finally free!" wrote the Palestinian Youth Movement (PYM), the celebration coming just a day before the Lod terrorist attack's anniversary. "Palestinians everywhere salute and celebrate Fusako Shigenobu for her extraordinary dedication to our national struggle, and her friendship with our people."


The Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network organized a livestream to celebrate her release with Shigenobu's daughter May. The NGO said in a press release that it saluted her, describing her as a "revolutionary" and "political prisoner" who had been unjustly imprisoned. Brighton BDS called her story "amazing."

Palestinian NGOs laud release: Japan terror head with Lod massacre role - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
 

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defending terrorists spreading anti-jewish hatred. that is the pro-palestinian way. they never defend the rights of the Palestinian People nor protesting against the repressive sharia laws in the Palestinian territories.
Calling the victims of settler colonialism, occupation and apartheid 'terrorists' only puts you on the side of defending racism, canada man.
Listen to the experts talk about human rights, this column is now 20 years old.
How long have you been defending apartheid?

 

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Calling the victims of settler colonialism, occupation and apartheid 'terrorists' only puts you on the side of defending racism, canada man.
Listen to the experts talk about human rights, this column is now 20 years old.
How long have you been defending apartheid?

i don't speak to Hamas apologists and anti-Semites who defends anti-jewish vandalism of a store owned by a Jewish man
 

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i don't speak to Hamas apologists and anti-Semites who defends anti-jewish vandalism of a store owned by a Jewish man
Neither do I.

Though I am willing to try to dissuade those racists who support apartheid to see if I can convince them to support basic human rights for people of all races.
 

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i put anti-jewish and terror apologists on ignore
You should also put B'tselem on ignore, Breaking the Silence, IfNotNow, IJVCanada, add them as well.
In fact, just add all the people against apartheid, including 25% of US Jews and 45% of Israel.
 

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I don't really care about what you personally think about Palestinians ...
And you obviously don't care what Palestinians say either.

They overwhelmingly do not want equal rights and they don't want to be Israelis. The vast majority opinions are either their own state beside or instead of Israel. All you are doing with your claims is showing your low regard for both Jews and Palestinians.


And I see you are still absolutely silent about Hamas (and to a lesser extent the PA) overt statements, calls to violence and outright anti-semitism with their desire to eliminate Jews not only in Israel/Palestine but willingness to target them worldwide.
 

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End the illegal occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism if you want to get Palestinians to say nicer things about Israel and Israelis.
Its not rocket science.
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And once again you excuse nearly half of Palestinians who support attacks on civilians. Thanks for being honest with your abandonment of human rights.
 

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And you obviously don't care what Palestinians say either.

They overwhelmingly do not want ...
You are the last person who should claim to speak for what Palestinians want on this board.
The don't want apartheid.
Sure, they'd prefer to have Palestine back, or maybe the two state solution and of course they don't trust Israelis enough to want to create a one state solution.
Why should they after 50 years of brutal occupation and settler colonialism?

But Israel, and the policies you back, have killed the two state solution.
The one state apartheid solution is in place but it can't last.
So the logical and best solution becomes a one state with equal rights.

You, and Israel have known this for 50 years and yet all Israel has done is put in more settlements and to try to annex more and more of Palestine.

“Israel … better rid itself of the territories and their Arab population as soon as possible. If it did not, Israel would soon become an apartheid state.” - a quote attributed to former Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion by Israeli journalist Hirsh Goodman, after the Six-Day War in 1967.
 

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And once again you excuse nearly half of Palestinians who support attacks on civilians. Thanks for being honest with your abandonment of human rights.
Israel just supported a march that featured attacks on civilians while shouting 'death to Arabs', with the backing of the government, police and army.
Palestinians are not the problem.
Its the apartheid occupation.

If you want peace you need to end the occupation and give back all the settlements and Palestinian land or you need to give Palestinians equal rights and the vote.
You need to stop supporting apartheid, ethnic cleansing, targeting civilians and settler colonialism.
Until then, you also need to stop accusing others of not supporting basic human rights.





 

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Israel just supported a march that featured attacks on civilians while shouting...
Yes. That's why I criticized the racist nationalists.

Even prominent people in the Israeli government has condemned it and are suggesting the key groups involved be labelled as terrorists.
Of course you won't even discuss that instead of condemning racist rhetoric and attacks on civilians, the much of the Palestinian leadership promotes and celebrates it (and for Hamas, organizes it).


Sadly you are incapable of even hinting at criticism at Hamas for threatening Jews worldwide or promoting attacks on civilians with the goal of ethnically cleansing Jews and unwilling to challenge a view where nearly half of Palestinians polled support attacks on Jewish civilians inside Israel.

And you wonder why your double standard gets labelled as anti-semitic.


If you want to support peace you should at least accept that Hamas refuses even the concept of living along or among Jews.
 

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You are the last person who should...
Is that your excuse for your elitist colonial viewpoint of telling them what they should do while completely ignoring they detest your ideas?

Palestinians overwhelmingly don't want to be Israeli. Many of them would be content living alongside Israel while far too many of those in power insist on removing Jews and replacing Israel.

Of course you consider it ethnic cleansing when court cases find Jews are in fact legal owners of a property but are quite happy to cheer attacks on Jews visiting their holy sites and parrot talking points of groups like Hamas who openly promote the removal of Jews from the region.
 

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Yes. That's why I criticized the racist nationalists.

Even prominent people in the Israeli government has condemned it and are suggesting the key groups involved be labelled as terrorists.
Of course you won't even discuss that instead of condemning racist rhetoric and attacks on civilians, the much of the Palestinian leadership promotes and celebrates it (and for Hamas, organizes it).
Hamas does not have annual marches yelling 'death to anyone'. That's an incredibly lame whataboutism.

I don't care if you criticize or if one or two people in the Israeli government criticize this march. The fact is that its supported by the full government, the police and the army and its an annual event.
That's incredibly disgusting.

Until you admit that the Israeli government is at least as horrid and racist as you accuse Hamas of being, you're just pushing partisan nonsense.
You can't back apartheid and then try to claim Israel is apartheid because of your own racist views about Palestinians or by trying to label them all Hamas 'terrorists'.

Until you state you are against apartheid, you are backing these 'flag marches'.
 

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Hamas does not have annual marches yelling 'death to anyone'. ...
Right, they do it every day including your 'March of Return'. They also routinely promote hatred of Jews, not just Israel existing. Even worse, they act on it by organizing and celebrating terror attacks.

Of course you try to dismiss it because discussing violence and racism from some Palestinians or the fact that nearly half of Palestinians support attacks on Jewish civilians in Israel clearly exposes how virulent your racist double-standard is.

Even your use of words tries to minimize how disgusting Hamas is. It's not how I 'accuse" Hamas of but what they openly state themselves.


Of course you tried to justify those attacks because you think Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets (even though none of those attacks were in the West Bank).
 

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Right, they do it every day including your 'March of Return'. They also routinely promote hatred of Jews, not just Israel existing. Even worse, they act on it by organizing and celebrating terror attacks.

Of course you try to dismiss it because discussing violence and racism from some Palestinians or the fact that nearly half of Palestinians support attacks on Jewish civilians in Israel clearly exposes how virulent your racist double-standard is.

Even your use of words tries to minimize how disgusting Hamas is. It's not how I 'accuse" Hamas of but what they openly state themselves.


Of course you tried to justify those attacks because you think Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets (even though none of those attacks were in the West Bank).
You couldn't find anything even remotely close to being as horrid, violent and outright racist as Israel's 'Flag March'
Thanks for confirming my point.

Even your examples are idle threats whereas Israel actually does attack Mosques like Al Aqsa, does cheer 'death to Arabs' every year in a celebratory march and does praise attacks on civilians.

All this shows is that not only does Israel threaten as much as Hamas but Israel actually commits those attacks, crimes and crimes against humanity.
Its exactly what you would expect of the world's only apartheid state.

I still say investigate Hamas as well as Israel and make both sides be held to the law.
You just can't support that as know that Israel is the one that commits by far the most heinous acts.
 

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You couldn't find anything even remotely close to being as horrid...
Hamas lobbing rockets randomly at cities, shooting random civilians, vowing to eliminate the Jewish presence, and threatening Jews around the world is better? Shit you're messed up.

The extremist settlers yell about killing people. Hamas and others actually do it. Some number of the 50,000 marchers were chanting for violence. 44% of Palestinians polled support attacks on Jews inside Israel.

And it is pathetic that you still push the radical religious and racist view that Jews visiting the Temple Mount/Al Aqsa plaza is an attack.

Every time you post, you show yourself as an evermore extremist fraud.
 
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