Canadian soldier says the war in Ukraine is going very badly
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Ukrainians are fighting an imperialist country that has already stolen 200,000 Ukrainian children, sent over a million Ukrainians to the far corners of Russia to repopulate and is trying to 'conscript' captured Ukrainians to fight against their own country.
Why shouldn't they fight that?
I just don't get how you can't understand why people would fight to protect their country. They are not dying for nothing. They do not want to be a part of Russia. They are an independent country, and want to have the ability to make their own choices. Why would they want to be in Russia's sphere, where the standard of living is terrible???Why wouldn't they want to pursue closer ties with Europe, and all those economic advantages? And, it should be pointed out they are doing a pretty good job keeping the Russians pinned down. I mean, it sounds like (and we won't truly know for sure) that the casualties are tilted in Ukraine's favour.
The sad reality here is that people die in war. War is hell on earth. Death can come suddenly out of the blue. There are snipers and artillery barrages, bombardments and boobytraps. It isn't shocking that people are dying in horrific fashion. That's modern warfare.
But to just roll over to an aggressor like Russia is a terrible choice. What kind of country would they have? Infrastructure can be rebuilt. Lives will be mourned, but if/when they defeat Russian, they will be free to do what ever they want. They are a sovereign nation, and should be allowed to join the EU, NATO or what ever the fuck they want.
20 million russians died in the face of inevitability. And yet russians have learned nothing. Following your argument, they should have just laid down for the germans. and nobody would have got hurt.
They should estimate their powers with nothing else but the sense of reality and try to negotiate solutions instead of letting themselves being deluded by the states and Zelensky..I mean Ukrainians themselves.
Negotiating with the russians is like negotiating with syphillis when you have no antibiotics. Anyway. why didn't the russians negotiate with the germans? oh that's right. they did. A non aggression pact where they supplied the germans with all the raw materials they could send them. Until the germans finally got around to invading russia. Then the russians got the west to bail their dirty asses out of it by begging for support. food. weapons and anything else they could scrounge off the west. Without the west, russia would still be Germany's eastern most province.
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Becaused they have no chance of winning and the longer this goes on the more they suffer and die.
Germans killed more russians than russians killed germans. Anyway the "inevitability" was meted out by the west. The russians were losing without us.
Wow that is horseshit. They already owe the west bazillions. If they negoatiated at the start a much better outcome was possible. Russia is already talking about the campaign west of the dniper. Ukraine will probably cease to exist as a state. Canada cannot do whatever the fuck we want. Even the solomons islands cannot do what they want. Germany could not do what they want last year so stop spreading nonsense.
[QUOTE="Robert Mugabe, post: 7494288, member: 270279". ans killed more russians than russians killed germans. Anyway the "inevitability" was meted out by the west. The russians were losing without us.
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It helped but the russians pretty much won stalingrad on their own. After that, germany was pretty much doomed. It does not matter if germany killed more russians. They still lost. Score does not decide this game.
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It helped but the russians pretty much won stalingrad on their own. After that, germany was pretty much doomed. It does not matter if germany killed more russians. They still lost. Score does not decide this game.
The russians didn't win anything on their own. They were bankrolled by the west from the moment their alliance with the germans fell apart and they came sniveling to us to bail them out.
Looks like Russia's preeminent TERB asset got an extreme dressing down by his FSB handler this past weekend at Russian Propaganda Camp.
"And this one time at Russian Propaganda Camp ..... "
"And this one time at Russian Propaganda Camp ..... "
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It helped but the russians pretty much won stalingrad on their own. After that, germany was pretty much doomed. It does not matter if germany killed more russians. They still lost. Score does not decide this game.
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Obviously when you are talking about russians. Their most disposable commodity is human life.
utter nonsense. The vast majority of the weapons that won Russia WWII were made by Russia. And Russia caused more then 70% of the casuaties suffered by Germany. If it was not for Russia a great many Westerners would not be alive today as their fathers woud have died fighting the Germans tha were not killed by Russia
Obviously when you are talking about russians. Their most disposable commodity is human life.
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Yes the way they fought wars then was appalling. They have to a degree adjusted .Syria was quite economical .The first phase of the Ukraine war was not well fought but it had different objectives as speed war essential. And speed is never economical. The current phase is the polar opposite. Very few Russian casulaties vs Ukraine as the big guns are doing the fighting and Russia has an obsene number of big guns.
Really? Sure we can. Because we already have. We joined NATO. We joined the EU. We joined a bunch of international trade agreements, some the US are not a part of. So, tell me, what is stopping us? I mean, it isn't like we're going to abandon our western allies and join some kind of pact with China anytime soon. You sound like the one spreading nonsense. Like, what are you saying Germany couldn't do last year?
I'd love to know what your "better outcome" for Ukraine is? Bending the knee and kissing Putin's ring? I don't think you understand why the majority of Ukrainians do not want to be in Russia's sphere of influence. You have such a myopic point of view. You sound like you would be a quisling at the drop of a hat if Canada got invaded. "Why die protecting our country when we can have an authoritative regime rule over us for decades??"
Keep in mind, Ukraine was part of the USSR....and didn't really enjoy the experience. Holodomor was pretty fucking bad. Soviet rule wasn't kind to the country. You might reasonably understand why they wouldn't want to get the band back together.
The bottom line here is you sound like the dude who said he would tell his daughter if it was inevitable she'd be rape to just lie back and enjoy it....
