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In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

basketcase

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Yes, according to all the legit metrics...
Only if you make up your own definition.

In the past month, 15 Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians in attacks explicitly targeting them for their ethnicity. At the same time, 18 Palestinians have been killed, most of them the attackers who killed those 15 Israeli civilians. The only one of those 18 Palestinians not directly involved in violence was the woman who ran at a checkpoint ignoring verbal warnings and warning shots.

But sure, keep pretending it is terrorism to shoot someone trying to stab or gun civilians down and keep pretending that Palestinians have a right to commit attacks on civilians.
 

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“Jews, by numbers, remain the most targeted group for hate crimes in Canada, and this type of rhetoric and hatred in our streets only makes it worse,” said Michael Mostyn, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada.






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The police did not respond to journalists’ calls for help but instead removed a journalist at the request of the event’s antisemitic organizer.
For the past several days, antisemitic Muslims rioted and attacked police during anti-Israel demonstrations in Berlin, Germany. One hundred sixty police officers were on duty. Stones were thrown, and dozens of journalists were attacked and injured. Police chose not to assist the attacked journalists but instead ejected them from the event. In a statement after the violent demonstration, the organizer “Palestine Speaks” claims they are not aware of journalists or observers’ violent and abusive treatment.
“Palestine Speaks” supports the fundamentally antisemitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement (BDS), which wants to destroy the Israeli economy with boycott efforts and presents itself as a “coalition for Palestinian rights and against all forms of racism.” The association presents itself as a partner of a left-wing, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, and anti-racism milieu, using leftist tactics and language to cloak its essentially military intentions of the destruction of Israel.

Genocidal chants against Jews
Muslims from the group were draped in their Palestinian war scarfs (keffiyehs), which many believe to be the modern equivalent of the Nazi swastika while chanting genocidal anti-Jewish Islamic chants. For example, mobs screamed, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free,” this is code for eradicating the State of Israel and its millions of Jews.
During the demonstration procession, chants could be heard paying homage to the terrorist organization Hamas or calling for the annihilation of the state of Israel, such as “Stop the weapons, stop the war, intifada until victory.” The first (1987) and second intifada (2000) describe violent uprisings and terrorism against Jewish Israelis. Bomb and gun attacks, among other things, were committed during the two intifadas. The call “Intifada until victory” is directed against Israel’s right to exist.
The slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” which was often called out on Saturday, also calls for the annihilation of Israel. The river means the Jordan River, which runs east of Israel’s territory, and the sea means the Mediterranean Sea, which borders Israel to the west. The slogan negates Israel’s right to exist as a protective Jewish state. Demonstrators also chanted the slogan “Child murderer Israel” on Saturday. It is no coincidence that the slogan is reminiscent of the medieval blood libel, an old anti-Jewish conspiracy tale.
Investigators are now evaluating video material. In addition, there were riots at a similar pro-Palestinian rally on Friday evening.


Hitlers New Army: Muslims March for Jihad Against Jews and Israel in Berlin, Media Attacked (Videos) - RAIR (rairfoundation.com)





Anti-Semitism was on full display on Sunday in Toronto, when protesters called for Israel to be wiped off the map and cheered rockets being fired at civilians.


I wish this were an isolated incident, it’s not; it happens far too often.



They walked straight up Yonge St. — hundreds of people on a sunny Sunday afternoon carrying Palestinian flags, Black Lives Matter flags, the Every Child Matters banner raised by Indigenous communities, and a massive banner calling for Israel to be boycotted by the world.



The flags and banners are one thing, but the cheering of civilians being fired upon with chants of “Allahu Akbar!” and the calls for Israel to be destroyed are nothing but pure hatred that has no place in our society.



“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” cried out the woman on the back of a pickup truck helping to lead the march. In response, the crowd repeated her chant along with many others.



It’s a cry that claims all land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea for a Palestinian homeland. It’s a one-state solution, rather than the two-state solution that Palestinian leaders say they want but can’t achieve, while claiming Israel is the problem.



It’s also an extremely anti-Semitic chant that will no doubt lead to violence.



“Jews, by numbers, remain the most targeted group for hate crimes in Canada, and this type of rhetoric and hatred in our streets only makes it worse,” said Michael Mostyn, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada.



The march happened just as B’nai Brith was getting set to release its annual audit of anti-Semitic activities in Canada. Mostyn noted a rash of violent attacks that took place last year during a flare-up of violence between Hamas and Israeli forces.

Palestinian march in Toronto devolves in antisemitic hatred | Toronto Sun





While Israeli Police are fighting continuous Palestinian Muslim violence in Jerusalem intended to prevent Jews from visiting or praying at the Temple Mount, a Palestinian imam led a prayer in a mosque that was broadcast on PA TV, calling for the extermination of Jews:

“Allah delight us with the extermination of the evil Jews”
In addition, he called for extermination of those he called “their hypocritical supporters who have evil and their hearts.”

Significantly, this imam presented the extermination of Jews in his Ramadan prayer in the Al-Ain Mosque in El-Bireh, near Ramallah, as something that will bring pleasure and “delight” to Palestinians.

Palestinian Media Watch has pointed out numerous times that the PA’s presenting the murder of Jews and Israelis as fulfillment of Islam is very potent incitement to murder. The Palestinian Muslim population is very religious and presenting the killing of Jews as something that Allah supports raises Palestinian murder of Israelis from a nationalistic act to an Islamic act of worship. Calling for this during the month of Ramadan is literally inviting murder.

PMW has notified the Israeli Police and hopes that it will act against this explicit incitement to murder.

PMW also called for the arrest of the head of PA TV, Khaled Sukkar, and the head of Palestinian Broadcast Corporation, Ahmad Assaf.

PMW demands arrest of PA TV imam for calling to exterminate the Jews | PMW Analysis (palwatch.org)
 

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So quoting an AJ story about not letting Jews "desecrate" a shared holy site with their presence? More of you propagating an explicitly racist message.
Of course you want to shut him up and then claim you're not the racist.
Only if you make up your own definition.

In the past month, 15 Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians in attacks explicitly targeting them for their ethnicity. At the same time, 18 Palestinians have been killed, most of them the attackers who killed those 15 Israeli civilians. The only one of those 18 Palestinians not directly involved in violence was the woman who ran at a checkpoint ignoring verbal warnings and warning shots.

But sure, keep pretending it is terrorism to shoot someone trying to stab or gun civilians down and keep pretending that Palestinians have a right to commit attacks on civilians.
You're cherry picking by using only one month's numbers.

The stats show Israel commits way more acts that qualify as 'terrorism' than Palestinians commit.
You aren't against terrorism, you're against Palestinians.
 

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Of course you want to shut him up and then claim you're not the racist.
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The message pushed in that AJ story and in several posts you made is about Jews 'desecrating' Al Aqsa by being present outside the mosque which is an overtly racist attempt to justify violence. You keep claiming to be against racism and for equal rights but once again you're okay with racism and denying Jews the right to be present at their holiest site.

And of course you ignore that Israeli law mandates the status quo on Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary and is willing to side line Jewish rights to prevent a major flare-up of violence over anti-Jewish conspiracies.

You're cherry picking by using only one month's numbers.
Why would I use numbers from thee most recent month? But sure, that give you an excuse to ignore that Jewish civilians are being targeted and almost all the Palestinian dead were killed while involved in attacks. And you will also continue to ignore that one Palestinian government fully endorses and organizes attacks on civilians, the other pays salaries and has some figures openly praising attacks on civilians, and almost half of Palestinians support attacks on civilians as a manes to achieve peace.


And just a reminder, Israel isn't on Canada's designated terrorist list but Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and a faction of Fatah are.
 

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Why would I use numbers from thee most recent month? But sure, that give you an excuse to ignore that Jewish civilians are being targeted and almost all the Palestinian dead were killed while involved in attacks. And you will also continue to ignore that one Palestinian government fully endorses and organizes attacks on civilians, the other pays salaries and has some figures openly praising attacks on civilians, and almost half of Palestinians support attacks on civilians as a manes to achieve peace.


And just a reminder, Israel isn't on Canada's designated terrorist list but Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and a faction of Fatah are.
You are cherry picking stats.
Are you really going to try to claim that Palestinian's are by far the largest group of victims over the last 10 years?
Like you refuse to acknowledge attacks happen when Israel sends the IDF into Al Aqsa or when mobs of 'settlers' yelling 'death to Arabs' march?

Israel is apartheid, the aggression is the settler colonialism and occupation of Palestine.
 

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You are cherry picking stats.
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Give it up. I'm talking about the most recent month and as with much of the time, the Palestinian dead are not simply innocent bystanders but active combatants. This is just like when you claim Hamas gave up on terrorism by ignoring all the times that Hamas has engaged in terrorism.

And you continue to make excuses for those Palestinians who do target civilians in textbook terror attacks, checking off repeated boxes on Canada's definition of anti-semitism.
 

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Give it up. I'm talking about the most recent month and as with much of the time, the Palestinian dead are not simply innocent bystanders but active combatants.
Its an illegal occupation.
Ruled through apartheid.

Palestinians are justified in being 'active combatants' since there are no peace talks and no other avenue for peace.
That just confirms that Israel are brutal, apartheid, occupiers and war criminals.
 

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Its an illegal occupation.
Ruled through apartheid.

Palestinians are justified in being 'active combatants' since there are no peace talks and no other avenue for peace.
That just confirms that Israel are brutal, apartheid, occupiers and war criminals.
Thanks for confirming once again that you think Palestinian attacks against Jewish civilians are justified.


p.s. the "avenue for peace" will require groups like Hamas to stop outright rejection of peace.
 

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remember kids "pro-palestinian" movements has nothing to do with the palestinian people.

pro-palestinian is code for anti-jewish sentiments and terror apologism



“Jews, by numbers, remain the most targeted group for hate crimes in Canada, and this type of rhetoric and hatred in our streets only makes it worse,” said Michael Mostyn, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada.



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The Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi) fraternity house at Rutgers University in New Brunswick was egged and targeted in two separate, recent incidents.

The first incident occurred on April 22, when pro-Palestinian protesters from a nearby Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) rally drove by the house waving Palestinian flags and reportedly lobbed accusations of Jewish students of being “baby killers” and “terrorists.” Rutgers Hillel alleged that the protesters spat at the house as well.


The other incident, the egging, occurred on either the evening of April 25 or the following morning, just before Yom HaShoah. The house was also egged the year before as students were reading out the names of those who perished during the Holocaust to commemorate Yom HaShoah.

The university announced that they are going to beef up security around the house in light of the recent incidents. “There is no place for this type of targeted hate on our campus, and Rutgers Hillel condemns these anti-Semitic acts in the strongest terms,” the university said in a statemen, per ABC7. “The direct targeting of members of our Jewish community goes against everything our campus community stands for and is unacceptable, especially during a program remembering the horrific impact anti-Jewish hate can have.” University Chancellor-Provost Francine Conway also said in a statement, “We understand and are sensitive to the concerns of those who were targeted, and stand by our Jewish students, faculty and staff,” she wrote. “Harassment based on religious belief, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, or for any reason, is antithetical to our values at Rutgers University.”


Rutgers AEPI House Egged, Harassed in Two Separate Instances (jewishjournal.com)



video of the harrasment

StopAntisemitism on Twitter: "Video of the harassment - these cars were circling the home multiple times before the police was called. This is also the 2nd time in 2 years the fraternity house was egged during the Yom Hashoah time period. https://t.co/soXKUGQqmU" / Twitter



A teacher at Alexander Hamilton Senior High School in the Castle Heights area of Los Angeles was found to have a Palestinian flag as well as various posters spreading anti-Israel messages in his classrooms.

The Parents Defending Education (PDE) advocacy group first released photos of the flags and posters in September 2021, obtaining them from a parent of a student in the class. The photos showed a Palestinian flag next to a Black Lives Matter flag and Pride flag adorning the walls of the classroom. Other photos showed posters in the classroom stating “In 2020, Make Israel Palestine Again,” “F— America,” and “F— the Police.” PDE’s discovery resulted in news coverage in The Daily Caller and Fox News; Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) told both outlets that “specific posters will be taken down.”

On April 27, PDE uncovered more photos of posters in the classroom from emails obtained via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. One poster stated that “we honor mothers who have lost children to police violence” as well as “Palestinian mothers with children in Israeli jails.” Other posters depicted the late Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, his right-hand man Che Guevara and Angela Davis in a positive light. The Castro poster states: “Condemn me. It does not matter. History will resolve me.”

Palestinian Flag, Anti-Israel Posters Hung in LA High School Classroom (jewishjournal.com)



A candidate for Britain’s Conservative Party in a local race has been suspended after giving condolences to the victims of the recent B’nei Brak terror attack in Israel.

The Jewish News reported that the candidate, Dr. Shadman Zadman, had posted on social media that the terror attack was the third in a week in Israel and shared his “deepest condolences” to the victims’ loved ones. Zadman was told by the local party leader, Nick Jones, via WhatsApp to take down the post because they need to keep the election “local.” Zadman refused, and thus Jones suspended him.

Jones told The Jewish News, “I have categorically not told candidates they cannot post pro-Israel sentiments. However, I have made clear that the social media must be local about the Conservatives plan to deliver a cleaner, greener, safer borough.” A friend of Zadman’s told The Jewish News that Zadman was “surprised” by Jones’ actions, saying that Zadman “has made no secret of his support for the state of Israel in the past, and wanted to express his sympathies to those affected by the terror attacks over the past few days that have taken place there.”

Jewish groups denounced Zadman’s suspension.

“Wrong UK politician lost his job,” the Simon Wiesenthal Center tweeted. “Conservative party official should be out. Expressing condolences to victims of terror is not political – it’s human decency.”

UK Conservative Candidate Suspended for Condolences to B’nei Brak Terror Attack Victims (jewishjournal.com)


Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign targeted the campus Hillel during a march protesting the actions of the Israeli police at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, The Algemeiner and Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) reported.

The protest, which was held on April 18, was dubbed as an “emergency protest” against “Zionist militia forces” at Al-Aqsa, was a march through parts of campus that eventually stopped in front of the Cohen Center for Jewish Life, where the campus Illini Hillel is located. While the protesters were in front of the Hillel, an unknown object was thrown through one of the Hillel’s windows. The Hillel was serving kosher food to Jewish students for Passover meals inside at that time.

“We find it really unacceptable that Jewish students need to be cornered in a situation where they need to cross through a field of yelling people to come and get their religious needs answered,” Illini Hillel Executive Director Erez Cohen told the student newspaper Daily Illini. He later added: “When people come to the Jewish center to yell against Israel, they’re creating an equation between any Jewish person and the state of Israel. That’s singling out an entire community based on a country that’s miles away.”

SJP Targets U of I Hillel During March (jewishjournal.com)


A couple of pro-Palestinian protesters said during an April 2 protest in New York City that “Zionist professors are not welcomed” on campus.

Video footage from the protest shows Fatima Mohammed, a member of CUNY Law Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), telling protesters to “demand that Zionist professors are not welcomed on your campus. Demand that Zionist students are not in spaces where Palestinian students are because Zionism is a threat. Zionism is a genocidal threat to us.”

Additionally, Nerdeen Kiswani, who chairs the pro-Palestinian group Within Our Lifetime and is also a member of CUNY Law SJP, chanted “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” at the protest and accused the Jewish National Fund and Jewish Communal Fund of being “Zionist organizations” that are “hiding behind Judaism.” “Every single organization on that list is a legitimate target because every single organization on that list supports the Zionist entity,” she added.

Chancellor Professor of Computer Science Judea Pearl, who is also the president of the Daniel Pearl Foundation and National Academy of Sciences member, tweeted in response to the video: “Dear Fatima Mohammed, I am one of those Zionist professors whom you wish to shun. Let me assure you that your organization, SJP, will be ousted from my campus way before me or any of my students, precisely because of racist demands such as those you have made today. Academia cannot tolerate student groups that call for the ethnic cleansing of other student groups. SJP, as well as other Zionophobic or Islamophobic groups, have no place on any university campus.”

Pro-Palestinian Protesters Say “Zionist Professors Are Not Welcomed” on Campus (jewishjournal.com)
 

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Thanks for confirming once again that you think Palestinian attacks against Jewish civilians are justified.
Stop lying, I did not say any such thing.
That's disgusting.

Meanwhile, you have yet to condemn this:
The storming of Al-Aqsa: ‘The patients kept on coming like waves’
On April 15, Israeli forces stormed the Al-Aqsa compound in Jerusalem and injured more than 150 Palestinians, including children. MSF trauma surgeon Carlo Brugiotti was part of the medical team that assessed and stabilised the injured. Here, he reflects on what he saw that day.


But of course you also haven't condemned the occupation, settler colonialism, apartheid and Israeli state terrorism.
 

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Stop lying, I did not say any such thing.
Except you have repeatedly when instead of condemning attacks on civilians committed by some Palestinians, you try to blame it on Israel.



I sure condemn the racist propaganda that says Jews being near a mosque is a desecration and the people who targeted Jews on their way to the Western Wall.


And why would I condemn the police for this. Rioters were throwing rocks and fireworks at the Western Wall and police went in to stop it. Even more telling is that the violence was stopped because actual religious Muslims screamed at the rioters for their desecration of the Mosque.



And of course your Hamas just made a big speech praising the guy who shot up a restaurant and promising anti-semitic attacks on Jews worldwide if Israeli police have to break up protesters again.
 

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Except you have repeatedly when instead of condemning attacks on civilians committed by some Palestinians, you try to blame it on Israel.
No, even though Palestinians are living under an incredibly brutal and racist apartheid occupation I have never suggested they are justified in attacking civilians.
You sir, are lying.




I sure condemn the racist propaganda that says Jews being near a mosque is a desecration and the people who targeted Jews on their way to the Western Wall.
Of course, wouldn't we all condemn such stuff if it existed anywhere besides your mind.
We were instead talking about Israel's racist attacks on Palestinians at the Al Aqsa mosque, which as usual you refuse to condemn.


And why would I condemn the police for this. Rioters were throwing rocks and fireworks at the Western Wall and police went in to stop it. Even more telling is that the violence was stopped because actual religious Muslims screamed at the rioters for their desecration of the Mosque.
Why would you condemn police for invading a mosque and injuring hundreds of Palestinians?
Good point, as a defender of the incredibly racist apartheid occupation, why would you condemn racist police actions?


And of course your Hamas just made a big speech praising the guy who shot up a restaurant and promising anti-semitic attacks on Jews worldwide if Israeli police have to break up protesters again.
Of course you are offended that Hamas would consider using the techniques or types of attacks that Israel uses against Palestinians, the same techniques you refuse to condemn in this very post.
Unfortunately you can't see that you are only willing to call those acts 'terrorist' acts if Palestinians commit them, when Israel does them you don't.

You need to get past your colonial settler ways, either support equal rights or give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
 

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Meet Yasmeen Mashayekh, the student senator in charge of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) at USC Viterbi School of Engineering. According to the Student Association, "DEI Senators are student leaders who are committed to helping address social issues on campus, want to promote greater inclusivity within our Viterbi community, and are vocal advocates against racism and discrimination.”

Yasmeen Mashayekh openly supports Hamas, celebrates violence against Israelis, spread hatred of Jews and calls to kill Zionists. Do you think she's fit for the DEI position?



 

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Meet Yasmeen Mashayekh, the student senator in charge of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) at USC Viterbi School of Engineering. According to the Student Association, "DEI Senators are student leaders who are committed to helping address social issues on campus, want to promote greater inclusivity within our Viterbi community, and are vocal advocates against racism and discrimination.”

Yasmeen Mashayekh openly supports Hamas, celebrates violence against Israelis, spread hatred of Jews and calls to kill Zionists. Do you think she's fit for the DEI position?



ROTFLMFAO!! Antisemitic statements do not qualify as "hate speech " as long as you can disguise them as "anti Zionism"- very convenient.
 

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ROTFLMFAO!! Antisemitic statements do not qualify as "hate speech " as long as you can disguise them as "anti Zionism"- very convenient.
What, now you're arguing its antisemitic to be against a racist, colonial movement that's created an apartheid state?
What about the 25% of US Jews that say Israel is apartheid, they must also be antisemitic....
 

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No, even though Palestinians are living under an incredibly brutal and racist apartheid occupation I have never suggested they are justified in attacking civilians.
You sir, are lying.
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Speaking of lying....your pathetic hate-filled propaganda doesn't replace facts.


And yes, your posts are 100% clear. You have blamed terrorism from Palestinians on Israel instead of condemning those attacks. And Hamas just took credit for the latest terror attack.

Also disgusting that you intentionally ignore or justify attacks by Palestinians. I'm sure you think the pictures are faked too.

And to quote BBC
" The police said they waited until Muslim Friday prayers had ended before entering the site to disperse the rioters, who had started throwing stones towards the Western Wall below the compound, where Jewish worshippers were. "

It is unconscionable for someone claiming to support peace to look at attacks and say they didn't happen or that Jews 'desecrating' a shared holy site deserve it.


Why would you condemn police for invading a mosque and injuring hundreds of Palestinians?
And more of your inspiring religious hatred. Are you really asking why police would try to arrest people throwing rocks and firebombs and desecrating a mosque by doing so?
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What, now you're arguing its antisemitic to be against ...
No. It's antisemitic to:
- justify the killing of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion
- make mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions
- Accuse non-Israeli Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Accuse Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.
- Hold Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel
And most prominently, Apply double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.


All of those are prominent pieces of your posts about Israel.
 

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No. It's antisemitic to:
- justify the killing of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion
- make mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions
- Accuse non-Israeli Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Accuse Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.
- Hold Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel
And most prominently, Apply double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.


All of those are prominent pieces of your posts about Israel.
Bullshit, sir.
I call bullshit.

Prove I've posted anything along those lines or retract your claims and apologize.

Then we can discuss why you think asking that no country ever practice apartheid again is applying a double standard when its applied to Israel.
 
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