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If there is any remote question of Trumps allegiance to Putin and disdain for America look no further :





If Biden did any one of these things he would already be tried for treason. If Donnie and Jared got 2 billion from MBS what did he get from Putin or what kompromat is being used for a president to sell out his own country for lying dictator?
 

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Inflation is global, the causes are more likely leftovers from covid shutdowns. Chip shortages, container ship backlog and now fuel and food worries from the Ukraine war. Its not the result of spending which likely only added about 1/10% of GDP anywhere.
Unfortunately, you destroy your credibility when you make statements like this. I did mention earlier that Covid policies resulted in the start of inflation. But excessive government spending in the manner it was done in many countries(including Canada/US) made it much worse.

Believe it or not, the governments like inflation. It helps with the value of the debt and allows them to avoid unpopular taxes. But you, the average Joe loses out(as you see each time you go to the grocery store).

You can read about it here at this link. It has a paywall but the first couple of sentence which can be viewed provides a start of explanation. Unfortunately, political partisans intentionally try to mislead.


US immigration increases were triggered by corrupt governments and climate change, specifically Guatemala. Nobody is doing anything about either of those issues in South America so there will be more immigrants headed to the US. No domestic policy in the US will change that.
If they know they can't likely get in, they won't come. Know they know they can get in, so they will come. Corrupt government leading to migration? Well, it is part of a large package of poverty and violence created by the culture of the people living in those places. That is why they want to leave.

Climate change causing migration. Not a s a root cause. it is once again the poverty-stricken violent societies that they want to escape. Like you said, Canada suffered from crop failure issues last year, that you stated were due to climate change. Haven't seen too many migrants heading to the US. Perhaps because it is a relatively wealthy and peaceful society that has been created here.
 
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Unfortunately, you destroy your credibility when you make statements like this. I did mention earlier that Covid policies resulted in the start of inflation. But excessive government spending in the manner it was done in many countries(including Canada/US) made it much worse.

Believe it or not, the governments like inflation. It helps with the value of the debt and allows them to avoid unpopular taxes. But you, the average Joe loses out(as you see each time you go to the grocery store).

You can read about it here at this link. It has a paywall but the first couple of sentence which can be viewed provides a start of explanation. Unfortunately, political partisans intentionally try to mislead.

Food is up 9% and energy up 34%. Those are presently the two largest sources of inflation.
Government spending had nothing to do with those rises in prices, your argument is naive.



If they know they can't likely get in, they won't come. Know they know they can get in, so they will come. Corrupt government leading to migration? Well, it is part of a large package of poverty and violence created by the culture of the people living in those places. That is why they want to leave.

Climate change causing migration. Not a s a root cause. it is once again the poverty-stricken violent societies that they want to escape. Like you said, Canada suffered from crop failure issues last year, that you stated were due to climate change. Haven't seen too many migrants heading to the US. Perhaps because it is a relatively wealthy and peaceful society that has been created here.
Its not about the chances of getting in that drives emigration, its the desperation of where they are living now.
So if its war, starvation from climate change caused crop failure or despotic governments making life miserable refugees will just leave regardless of what their chances are to get in anywhere else.
They'll go wherever they can, and if that means a caravan to a border with hardly any chance of success that still may be better than what they left behind.

 

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Inflation is global, the causes are more likely leftovers from covid shutdowns. Chip shortages, container ship backlog and now fuel and food worries from the Ukraine war. Its not the result of spending which likely only added about 1/10% of GDP anywhere.




War and climate change. Coal needs to be cancelled and Russia's oil/gas cancellations are echoing globally.




Again, those prices are high right now but food prices are going to be the bigger issues later this year. Ukraine supplied 25% of the world's grains for export. India is in the midst of record heat that will likely wipe out a massive amount of their production. The Canadian prairie wheat production was down massively last year due to drought and California is figuring out whether to quit pumping water or quit generating electricity off the Columbia.





There were 90 million refugees globally last year. Those numbers will go up massively this year with Ukraine and more climate change crop failure. US immigration increases were triggered by corrupt governments and climate change, specifically Guatemala. Nobody is doing anything about either of those issues in South America so there will be more immigrants headed to the US. No domestic policy in the US will change that.





Violence in Afghanistan is down 90% over the occupation.
Now the big issue is food, with climate change caused crop failure compounded by western countries, including Canada, refusing to send aid because its the Taliban.
Food is up 9% and energy up 34%. Those are presently the two largest sources of inflation.
Government spending had nothing to do with those rises in prices, your argument is naive.
Unfortunately, your arguments appear to be intentionally misleading. I gave one of the major reasons why energy prices have gotten so high, lack of investment in new oil and gas projects due to the regulations by political parties that embrace green energy(and I did also say that it has been a nice little side benefit for people like me who have invested big time in oil and gas over the last 18 months - thanks for the money, I intend to spend it). But it affects a lot of people who have not invested in oil and gas. They might think about voting for someone else. A big reason food prices have increased is inflation due to energy costs.

I do suggest you do some online searching for the effects of government spending(ie printing much more money to put into the economy) and its effect on inflation. As I suspect you may just say once again that there is no effect, I suggest others do as well.

Of course, there are other reasons too. A policy that brings a flood of newcomers to a country such as Canada means at least temporarily, there are more people looking for places to live. Prices go up. If you own a house like me in a decent area, it is kind of nice to have the value go up big time, but it does make things less affordable for a growing segment of the population. Perhaps voting for a party that has a reasonable amount of immigration and have it limited to people who have been determined to provide overall economic benefit(this excludes grandma and grandpa from the old country) would be wise. Or, accept that my house value will continue to rise. Thanks.
 

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Unfortunately, your arguments appear to be intentionally misleading. I gave one of the major reasons why energy prices have gotten so high, lack of investment in new oil and gas projects due to the regulations by political parties that embrace green energy(and I did also say that it has been a nice little side benefit for people like me who have invested big time in oil and gas over the last 18 months - thanks for the money, I intend to spend it). But it affects a lot of people who have not invested in oil and gas. They might think about voting for someone else. A big reason food prices have increased is inflation due to energy costs.
Its not investment. Previous to covid OPEC was cutting production so prices would go up. US shael needs higher prices to justify fracking while Canada needs even higher prices before the tar sands are economic.
Covid caused production to drop with demand, now demand is coming back but production is a bit behind, OPEC wants the higher prices and now Russian oil/gas is just being sold to China and a few other countries.
Investment in Canadian tar sands won't make them economic, investment in US shale will not drastically increase production either. Consumers want lower prices but oil & gas is happy with the profits.
They have all the money they need to invest but lower prices won't make them more money.


I do suggest you do some online searching for the effects of government spending(ie printing much more money to put into the economy) and its effect on inflation. As I suspect you may just say once again that there is no effect, I suggest others do as well.

Of course, there are other reasons too. A policy that brings a flood of newcomers to a country such as Canada means at least temporarily, there are more people looking for places to live. Prices go up. If you own a house like me in a decent area, it is kind of nice to have the value go up big time, but it does make things less affordable for a growing segment of the population. Perhaps voting for a party that has a reasonable amount of immigration and have it limited to people who have been determined to provide overall economic benefit(this excludes grandma and grandpa from the old country) would be wise. Or, accept that my house value will continue to rise. Thanks.
In more normal times government spending could have an impact but the impact of spending through covid is less clear. What is totally clear is that government spending had zero effect on food and energy prices, which are the two biggest drivers of inflation. Claiming its government spending while ignoring the two major increases is disinformation.

As for refugees, if you want to lower immigration you need to fund more daycare/social services so Canadians can afford more kids and immigration isn't necessary to fix large demographic issues.
But you won't back that anymore than you'd support policies that would help countries out before they become places where people flee as refugees.
 

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Why would that be hard for Canadians to understand? "How much government involvement in what areas and at what level" is a fundamental discussion in most Western democracies, with a wide range of opinions holding supporters.
As a general statement, the Canadian government is involved in more areas than the U.S. government. If you are a Canadian progressive here, you criticize the United States government. While the differences are relatively minor in the global scheme of things, I think it's peoples nature to compare, contrast and criticize.

That you believe the Democrats drive the culture wars is one of the weirder blind spots you have.
When the fairly liberal French President criticizes American "woke" culture and its harmful racializing and dividing society, it might be time for the American Left to step back and recalibrate. Macron seems to be a very smart and successful politician.

Again this is one of those things, where without discussing specific examples we have no context for a discussion. I will provide some recent cultural conflicts. I do not want to have an exhaustive debate here, but there are a clear culture initiatives that the progressive wing of the Democratic party are pushing. One person's objectionable and unnecessary cultural action is another person's morally required cultural equity.
  • Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” I know you will want to make this about banning books. It's a good deflection. However, I don't think San Francisco voters had banning books in mind when they recently recalled three school board members. Uh yeah, three is a lot.
  • The State of California and Governor Newsom mandating diversity in corporate board rooms. The legislation was struck down in court.
  • "Defund the Police" Did I just imagine that phrase? Didn't we hear that a lot in Democrat run cities the last two years?
  • How about politicians including several 2020 Democratic Presidential candidates telling you their preferred pronouns? Whaaa?
I think people play this game that the Republican's extreme flank is evil and destructive and on the flip side "what extremism in the Democrat party? There are no extremists here." Both parties pander to extreme flanks in stupid, stupid ways.

As with all political messaging Republican or Democrat, the rhetoric they use to describe the other side is over the top. So if you say the Republicans make far too much of culture issues, then I would tend to agree. If you say the Democrats do not cause self-inflicted damage to themselves pushing certain unpopular cultural agendas, I will completely disagree. And yes, we are all entitled to our own personal opinions on these cultural matters.
 

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There were 90 million refugees globally last year. Those numbers will go up massively this year with Ukraine and more climate change crop failure. US immigration increases were triggered by corrupt governments and climate change, specifically Guatemala.
Still pushing the climate change = refugees propaganda. Global food production continues to expand. If you live long enough, you realize droughts and bad harvests are part of regional cycles. Weather has always been and always will be a challenge to global agriculture.

If we factor in birth rates in many economically-developing and developed countries (like China), there is no immediate or future pressure on the global food supply. Perhaps the population growth of a poor country like Guatemala is the bigger problem. Guatemala's population doubled in just over thirty years. (There is likely little immigration into the country.) By the way, starving people don't make 1,300 mile treks across hot climates.
 
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Still pushing the climate change = refugees propaganda. Global food production continues to expand. If you live long enough, you realize droughts and bad harvests are part of regional cycles. Weather has always been and always will be a challenge to global agriculture.

If we factor in birth rates in many economically-developing and developed countries (like China), there is no immediate or future pressure on the global food supply. Perhaps the population growth of a poor country like Guatemala is the bigger problem. Guatemala's population doubled in just over thirty years. (There is likely little immigration into the country.) By the way, starving people don't make 1,300 mile treks across hot climates.
Your opinion is just an opinion.

Other opinions are more informed, like this one.
 

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Its not investment. Previous to covid OPEC was cutting production so prices would go up. US shael needs higher prices to justify fracking while Canada needs even higher prices before the tar sands are economic.
Covid caused production to drop with demand, now demand is coming back but production is a bit behind, OPEC wants the higher prices and now Russian oil/gas is just being sold to China and a few other countries.
Investment in Canadian tar sands won't make them economic, investment in US shale will not drastically increase production either. Consumers want lower prices but oil & gas is happy with the profits.
They have all the money they need to invest but lower prices won't make them more money.
Frankfooter,

It is obvious that you are a fake that is intentionally misleading people. I knew when you said tarsands that it was likely and it was confirmed by someone else who made a subsequent post. I could make another long post to counter you lies but instead urge people to google "oil prices lack of investment" to get an idea from more credible sources than someone on an escort review board using the handle Frankfooter. That being said, once again, investors with large shareholding in oil and gas are now demanding big dividends and are welcoming huge stock price increases to more than offset the inflation we see in society. I have 6 or 7 investments in oil and plan to spend my money on items such as an SUV, etc. Thanks. If the fools in the government ever make the regulatory environment more attractive, maybe we will invest in more oil production.
 
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As for refugees, if you want to lower immigration you need to fund more daycare/social services so Canadians can afford more kids and immigration isn't necessary to fix large demographic issues.
But you won't back that anymore than you'd support policies that would help countries out before they become places where people flee as refugees.
I think most people don't want kids because they have a spending problem. Remember the days when our grandparents didn't go on all those vacations, have cars, spend on this and that. Yet when they passed away, they had a significant amount of money built up. They lived frugally and within their means. People can't afford because they spend too much. And if we the taxpayers fund more social services, the same people will just spend more of what the taxpayer has replaced.

Most countries that have refugees(perhaps not Ukraine) are because of the internal problems they created in their countries such as corruption/poverty due to lack of good government and especially violence). You used climate change as an example. But climate change affects many countries including Canada and Australia. That being said being said, we are getting plenty of refugees these days, including Ukraine. I think most people have been quite supportive and I donated a sizable sum on top of Canada's policy of sending weapons to Ukraine. I feel good about doing my part.
 
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As a general statement, the Canadian government is involved in more areas than the U.S. government. If you are a Canadian progressive here, you criticize the United States government. While the differences are relatively minor in the global scheme of things, I think it's peoples nature to compare, contrast and criticize.
"The Canadian government is involve in more areas" is possibly true (these kinds of things are notoriously difficult to pin down).
That's a completely different thing from Canadians being unable to understand that Americans across many income levels don't believe in expanded government.
It's just a complete non-sequitur.

When the fairly liberal French President criticizes American "woke" culture and its harmful racializing and dividing society, it might be time for the American Left to step back and recalibrate. Macron seems to be a very smart and successful politician.
He's center-right mostly. But yes, he and Le Pen both took the imported right wing culture war and used its framing to try and shore up right wing votes in their country.
That's an argument in favor of the fact the GOP is driving that war.

Again this is one of those things, where without discussing specific examples we have no context for a discussion. I will provide some recent cultural conflicts. I do not want to have an exhaustive debate here, but there are a clear culture initiatives that the progressive wing of the Democratic party are pushing. One person's objectionable and unnecessary cultural action is another person's morally required cultural equity.
I won't even argue your boldfaced point.
But that does not change that the right wing is the one driving the culture war and insisting politics be fought on those terms instead of policy as much as possible.
Even if you think that they are CORRECT to do so, it is still them running on culture war issues.

  • Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” I know you will want to make this about banning books. It's a good deflection. However, I don't think San Francisco voters had banning books in mind when they recently recalled three school board members. Uh yeah, three is a lot.
Yup, the Right made great political hay with a bad quote. Of course, they were able to do so on the back of Christopher Rufo's effective CRT culture war strategy which they aggressively ran on, which let them run with it as if it was the secret Democrat plan all along. The plan all along was always to stoke a culture war on the issue.
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His new plan for 2022 is to use the "groomer" label to help his push for defunding public universities, discard academic freedom, and generally try to make public schools even more of a target of the culture war as a way to push a nationwide popular movement to privatize education. He is going to work in the realm of "curriculum transparency" next. (He likes to announce his plans on twitter since he knows the press will mostly just go along with him anyway.) Since curricula are already public, the plan is presumably to demand that "the hidden things you aren't saying" be made public. When the schools say they have nothing to show, it will be argued that is proof they are hiding something. That will get followed by laws that allow parents to demand access to all materials, written in such a way that it is extremely disruptive (I don't know if they will go with the same "CRT ban" method of allowing parents to sue if they suspect their child is being taught something they don't like.) The goal will be, of course, that the teachers and schools and really anyone who believes children should be educated and schools not be constantly under legal threat object. At that point (since these bills will be marketed as "curriculum transparency" or "education transparency", the right will go all in on how the Dems and Teachers are opposed to transparency and don't want parents to know what their kids are being taught and we have to destroy public schooling.

I mean, again. You have picked something that was a culture war created, stoked, and carefully messaged by the GOP. Created almost entirely out of whole cloth - where the guy in charge of the messaging even announced he was doing it.

Kinda proves me right.

  • The State of California and Governor Newsom mandating diversity in corporate board rooms. The legislation was struck down in court.
Actually don't know that one and will give it to you until I can look it up. Not even sure that's a culture war issue, though. Still, I don't have the context.

  • "Defund the Police" Did I just imagine that phrase? Didn't we hear that a lot in Democrat run cities the last two years?
You heard it used by GOP politicians a lot in Democrat run cities. Far more than by Democratic ones. It isn't really Democratic policy at most levels. There are activists who pushed it, though.
But that's a weird thing. "Defund the police" is a policy prescription - not a culture war issue. It's a budget argument about public safety. Turning it into a culture war where it was a secret attack on white people -- that's on the GOP.

  • How about politicians including several 2020 Democratic Presidential candidates telling you their preferred pronouns? Whaaa?
How is that a culture war issue? Or is the existence of other identities by nature a culture war issue?

I think people play this game that the Republican's extreme flank is evil and destructive and on the flip side "what extremism in the Democrat party? There are no extremists here." Both parties pander to extreme flanks in stupid, stupid ways.
The main difference is whose extremists are in power and what kind of influence they have on the party platform an policy decisions.
And again, one side is running almost exclusively on culture war issues in that structure, and it is the GOP.

As with all political messaging Republican or Democrat, the rhetoric they use to describe the other side is over the top. So if you say the Republicans make far too much of culture issues, then I would tend to agree. If you say the Democrats do not cause self-inflicted damage to themselves pushing certain unpopular cultural agendas, I will completely disagree. And yes, we are all entitled to our own personal opinions on these cultural matters.
We are entitled.
All I am saying is that one side has culture war issues as its primary focus.
The whole "they cause self-inflicted damage by pushing certain unpopular cultural agendas" is exactly the point.
Those agendas are almost entirely driven by the GOP, who push them as if the Democrats are pushing those agendas.

A politician saying their stated pronoun is not a policy agenda by a party.
The other party pointing to that and saying "They are trying to ram things down your throat" is.

It's a VERY effective political propaganda tactic - especially if you have the machine to catapult it into the conversation.
You believe it. That should show you how effective it is.
 

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In more normal times government spending could have an impact but the impact of spending through covid is less clear. What is totally clear is that government spending had zero effect on food and energy prices, which are the two biggest drivers of inflation. Claiming its government spending while ignoring the two major increases is disinformation.
Once again, I suggest people google government spending inflation for realistic information. As I already stated, increased energy prices(much of which is due to green policies) is part of it. There was always going to be some inflation, but it has been made much worse by the policies of the left. Remember that when you vote. No point in getting a government cheque for 50 dollars if overall policies make prices go up by 100 dollars instead of by 25 dollars if the policies had stayed as before.
 

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Frankfooter,

It is obvious that you are a fake that is intentionally misleading people. I knew when you said tarsands that it was likely and it was confirmed by someone else who made a subsequent post. I could make another long post to counter you lies but instead urge people to google "oil prices lack of investment" to get an idea from more credible sources than someone on an escort review board using the handle Frankfooter. That being said, once again, investors with large shareholding in oil and gas are now demanding big dividends and are welcoming huge stock price increases to more than offset the inflation we see in society. I have 6 or 7 investments in oil and plan to spend my money on items such as an SUV, etc. Thanks. If the fools in the government ever make the regulatory environment more attractive, maybe we will invest in more oil production.
Answer this:
Why would oil companies invest in more production so that the value of their products and sales went down in price?
Why would they spend money so they could sell oil for less money?
 

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Once again, I suggest people google government spending inflation for realistic information. As I already stated, increased energy prices(much of which is due to green policies) is part of it. There was always going to be some inflation, but it has been made much worse by the policies of the left. Remember that when you vote. No point in getting a government cheque for 50 dollars if overall policies make prices go up by 100 dollars instead of by 25 dollars if the policies had stayed as before.
Except that inflation is global and hitting right wing and left wing governments the same.
The old Chicago style economic models didn't really plan for a pandemic, did they?
 

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"The Canadian government is involve in more areas" is possibly true (these kinds of things are notoriously difficult to pin down).
That's a completely different thing from Canadians being unable to understand that Americans across many income levels don't believe in expanded government.
It's just a complete non-sequitur.
I'm not sure what your argument is and why my statements are a non-sequitur. I wasn't responding to you in my initial comment. I was responding to toguy's statement that he once considered himself a conservative and has a beef with the U.S. GOP. The U.S. government gets beat on by many Canadians here because the U.S. has many attributes that are distinctly not consistent with generally accepted Canadian government policies. Of course in some minds, the Republicans stand in the way of Americans accepting these great policies. In reality, there are somethings like single-payer healthcare Americans (not just the Republicans) have just not accepted. It seems to drive some here crazy that we don't.

You heard it used by GOP politicians a lot in Democrat run cities. Far more than by Democratic ones. It isn't really Democratic policy at most levels. There are activists who pushed it, though.
But that's a weird thing. "Defund the police" is a policy prescription - not a culture war issue. It's a budget argument about public safety. Turning it into a culture war where it was a secret attack on white people -- that's on the GOP.
Even the Democratic leadership realized it was a problem in 2020. I'm not even sure the Republicans had to publicize this all that much in 2020. The inability for the Democratic Party to squash this movement early on is exactly what I'm talking about with extremists or activists (whatever you want to call them). If you have some local Democrats and some fringe Congressmen talking loudly like this it hurts the party. It was a self-inflicted error in 2020.

The "defund the police" movement was driven by racial issues. Race is a cultural issue.


How is that (Democratic Presidential candidates declaring their pronouns) a culture war issue? Or is the existence of other identities by nature a culture war issue?
Changing the language is not a cultural issue? This is why we can't have nice conversations. Just like MERB, you like to dissect everyone's quotes and respond to every point. You don't have to respond to every point though.

Obviously, I and others think it's ridiculous for everyone to declare their pronoun preferences. We can let people have their own opinion on matters like this. Democratic candidates and some of their followers can have their opinions.
 
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Except that inflation is global and hitting right wing and left wing governments the same.
The old Chicago style economic models didn't really plan for a pandemic, did they?
Probably because they were foolish as well and spent too much money. Certainly, that is a problem in the US. Not sure what Chicago style economic models are but Harper had a great economic model that was preparing us for a rainy day. Then Trudeau got in and the spend, spend, spend started. Then he added about 20 more spends to it. Using an example, when you set up a system to allow people to scam the system as the Liberals did with Cerb, guess what happens. Massive amounts of money go out the door and inflation happens.

Try reading this CBC article to get an idea of the left wing style of economics:


Of course, much of it could have been covered if our wonderful lefties had allowed hundreds of billions of dollars of investment in ethical oil. But, the people who can't think things through logically, thought a 16 year old girl knows better and because we ruined her childhood, they have been trying to destroy our ethical oil. So Russia fills in some of that difference, which you paid for and massacres people while you pay more at the pump, and elsewhere. But at least I saw some of that happening and will be able to get an SUV or three, whenever the chip shortages get better.
 

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Answer this:
Why would oil companies invest in more production so that the value of their products and sales went down in price?
Why would they spend money so they could sell oil for less money?
Intelligent investors don't ask simplistic questions like this. They ask what they can expect over the next 30 years. But if a government makes long term regulations stifling the industry, they go elsewhere. Russia was considered a better alternative. So the same amount of world oil got consumed, other unethical countries raked in the money, and your kids will be paying high taxes for their lifetime. Congratulations. But at least we don't get mean tweets.
 

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Biden like Trudeau attacked the oil/gas industry with regulations. That doesn't mean they stopped current production, but they slowed down or stopped future production, some of which in the case of Canada could be coming on line now. Biden made an executive order halting oil and gas leases on public lands and waters. When investors see a hostile environment, they go elsewhere.
Of course, we all know the current price of oil is impacted by the Russian embargo. With all this denial about Biden inflation, one look at the crude price chart clearly shows a jump immediately following the November, 2020 election. On November 6, 2020 the price of Brent crude was $38. It was almost $56 on Inauguration Day. The price forged upward upward in 2021.

Bad timing for Biden? Perhaps. However, the price of a nonperishable commodity like crude oil quickly responds to future regulatory actions. Crude oil sitting in tanks, ships and in the ground all become more valuable almost instantaneous to a policy change impacting future production and investment.

As I have been saying, it's easy to bitch and moan about everything ignoring practical realities when your party is out of power. You know what though, governing is hard. All those practical realities can come bearing down on your idealistic views.
 

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But at least we don't get mean tweets.
just wondering: does it concern you at all that trump comes not only with mean tweets but with the attempt to stop peaceful transfer of power? if he and then his family were to rule USA not letting anyone else to take the power, would you be happy as long as your investments bring good returns?
 
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