CONCLUSION: masks made no difference

[jalimon]

Even Fauci was caught early in the pandemic writing to a colleague that cheap clothed mask would not work. He never denied it further.
I am pretty sure he went on to suggest mask mandate as a public health measure but certainly not a scientific one.

About a year in the pandemic we finally started to buy medical mask. Which works better but I would say 90% of the people I saw were wearing it wrong.
To be fully efficient you need to knot the ear loops so the mask is very tight to your face (and cover the nose!!). As they do in hospitals and medical center (unless they put on a visor over it).

If we could all have wear n95 mask then it would have been different. But those are expensive and highly uncomfortable.

The vaccine is what really helped us reduce hospitalization. The studies that recently came out proves it. But it does not yet confirm it will help us eradicate this virus. We probably never will.

 

[poker]

Even Fauci was caught early in the pandemic writing to a colleague that cheap clothed mask would not work. He never denied it further.
I am pretty sure he went on to suggest mask mandate as a public health measure but certainly not a scientific one.

About a year in the pandemic we finally started to buy medical mask. Which works better but I would say 90% of the people I saw were wearing it wrong.
To be fully efficient you need to knot the ear loops so the mask is very tight to your face (and cover the nose!!). As they do in hospitals and medical center (unless they put on a visor over it).

If we could all have wear n95 mask then it would have been different. But those are expensive and highly uncomfortable.

The vaccine is what really helped us reduce hospitalization. The studies that recently came out proves it. But it does not yet confirm it will help us eradicate this virus. We probably never will.

That is wrong…. Fauci never “denied they work”.

I don’t know how many time this has to be explained, but I will do it again.

Masks do not prevent a person from catching Covid by simply wearing it. Many many people use that line erroneously. That was never the case for masks. Stop saying it. They can reduce the chances…. Slightly.

The real benefit of the masks are…. It prevents the people with Covid from launching it into air when the breath, cough, or sneeze. Much like when you are at the dinner table, and someone sneezes, you would prefer they cover their mouth, and not just sneeze in your face.

It’s like someone trying to pee on you. If you are wearing underwear, that does not prevent you getting wet if you are within 6 feet of the guy…. But if you are wearing underwear and try to pee on him back, you “likely” won’t get him because the underwear will prevent it from travelling… no, it does not stop the pee…. Just mitigates the damage you can do with it.

… and in a nutshell, that is what Fauci explained to friend, who made the same error when it came to understanding masks.

 

[Valcazar]

These data are crude, meaning you might have high frequency areas w mask mandates, and low without, which affect results. The studies cited in my posted link are more controlled and precise. Give them a look.

You're asking Phil to understand science and math when it might contradict his ideology.
That's not really fair of you.

A study involving 330 million people over 50 different US States is cherry-picking???!!

Okay, now I've heard it all

I mean look at this statement.
You can't ask him to do the impossible given his nature.

 

[Valcazar]

Others will argue the Covid19 strains were more powerful and destroyed the seasonal flu.

What the hell?
How would that even work?

This is more along the lines of logic. I've figured out what the problem is in our disconnect with Phil.
1. The study was about mask MANDATES. What we DON'T know is how many did follow the mandate, and how many did not follow in mandate states, In states without mandates, how many still wore them, and how many did not? This is why the measurement was crude.
2. As far as mandates affecting covid rates...seems it did not. Thus if the argument is MANDATES don't work...then you're on good grounds.
3. However, some of you erroneously concluded MASKS don't work. No, the study was about MANDATES. It did NOT compare mask wearers vs no mask wearers. The CDC studies tested mask wearers vs non mask wearers. That IS the test of whether masks work. The data strongly suggests masks work.
4. Thus, the study suggests minor affects for a mandate at best. But it does NOT address whether masks work.

The defence rests, m'lud.

That's not even getting into the key question of "how are we defining mandate"?
It's an out-of-context graph presented as truth.
No one should take it seriously without seeing more.

 

[poker]

What the hell?
How would that even work?



That's not even getting into the key question of "how are we defining mandate"?
It's an out-of-context graph presented as truth.
No one should take it seriously without seeing more.

Bingo…. And actually…. This isn’t even a “study”. It’s simply raw data. That fact that anyone can look at it and draw massive conclusions is astounding.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You're asking Phil to understand science and math when it might contradict his ideology.
That's not really fair of you.

I mean look at this statement.
You can't ask him to do the impossible given his nature.

Way to say something and at the same time not say anything.
Nothing in your post refutes the fact that masks made ZERO difference in the US.
Try again with hard facts this time

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Bingo…. And actually…. This isn’t even a “study”. It’s simply raw data. That fact that anyone can look at it and draw massive conclusions is astounding

How someone can NOT draw conclusions is astounding

 

[Hippopotamus]

Well, although the data u cited, hints towards what u want to prove, but I would still see it as an important part of the story, not the whole story itself. The scientific attitude suggests us to take such data with a grain of salt as changing a few variables can change the results (speaking in general about statistical data based on research and practical experience). Let’s wait for the final Full picture to emerge…

 

[Boss Nass]

 

[IRIS]

Abolutely not and I can tell you why. During my mask wearing days I never caught covid. Once the mandate was removed and I went maskless, boom, I caught COVID. Now being triple dosed it was like a mild cold but nevertheless only happened once I removed my mask. I would always wear a triple layered face coving mask, be in crowds, be in elevators and never ever caught it with my mask.

Phil, YOU ARE WRONG again, sorry bud.

After I read this amazing and definitely true story, you are remind me for a virgin, who got AIDS and became pregnant in her first night. Keep going!

 

[jcpro]

Since we're on the quest for conclusions

What Sweden Got Right About COVID | Washington Monthly

The U.S. botched the pandemic—overprotecting kids at low risk of serious illness and under-protecting older Americans. Stockholm pursued a light touch and fared far better.

washingtonmonthly.com

 

[squeezer]

After I read this amazing and definitely true story, you are remind me for a virgin, who got AIDS and became pregnant in her first night. Keep going!

Man, the thoughts and ideas that swish about and float around in your mind is quite remarkable. I'm impressed and a little bit scared at the same time. Carry on.

 

[Medman52]

Covid was an experiment that exposed followers vs leaders, thinkers vs fear-based emotions, politics vs science.

So so so true! I spent the winter in a “free” State totally maskless for the whole winter and no virus entered my body. Go figure.

 

[Valcazar]

Way to say something and at the same time not say anything.
Nothing in your post refutes the fact that masks made ZERO difference in the US.
Try again with hard facts this time

When you start demonstrating you can understand facts, I will use them.
Until then it isn't worth the time.

 

[basketcase]

Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about. Covid started rising in wastewater around March 10th, 2022.
Ontario mask mandate ended on March 21, 2022. So it started rising about 10 days before that, when everyone was still wearing their masks.
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Yes it did. Mas complicance also severely dropped at the time the plan was announced.

And really funny to see you trying to pick apart data like you tried to with the original mask mandates.

 

[basketcase]

We can safely assume the vast majority of people complied. ...

While in places that enforced it perhaps. And that ignores how effectively they were wearing the mask and all the places that were not enforcing the mandate.

As was said, the data studies mask mandates and not effectiveness of masks or mask compliance.



p.s. Doesn't this new conclusion of Phil's refute his previous assertion that N95 masks are effective?

 

[basketcase]

How someone can NOT draw conclusions is astounding

You drawing conclusions does not mean your conclusions are justified or accurate. On masks, you drew your 'conclusion' two years ago and haven't cared about anything that goes against your predisposition.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

When you start demonstrating you can understand facts, I will use them.
Until then it isn't worth the time.

And the facts are that masks made no difference

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You drawing conclusions does not mean your conclusions are justified or accurate. On masks, you drew your 'conclusion' two years ago and haven't cared about anything that goes against your predisposition

I could say the very same thing about your predisposition, which is non-N5 masks work

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yes it did. Mas complicance also severely dropped at the time the plan was announced

What does this even mean?? What "plan" are you referring to??

It sounds like you're trying to bullshit your way out of this one, and doing a terrible job of it