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I guess renowned political scientist/international relations scholar John Mearsheimer is nothing more than a crazy Rightwinger! Those darn educated people who disagree with the narrative!
 
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Tirgo said:

I guess renowned political scientist/international relations scholar John Mearsheimer is nothing more than a crazy Rightwinger! Those darn educated people who disagree with the narrative!
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Here is direct quote from Mearsheimer:
There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged.
So M is not as far from the narrative as some would like us to think.
 
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Leimonis said:
Here is direct quote from Mearsheimer:
There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged.
So M is not as far from the narrative as some would like us to think.
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It'd be nice if you were honest and actually give more of the quote for the correct context: " There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged. But why he did so is another matter.
 
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Tirgo said:
It'd be nice if you were honest and actually give more of the quote for the correct context: " There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged. But why he did so is another matter.
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How do you use a period at the end of a sentence?
A period is a small dot-shaped punctuation mark that is used at the end of any sentence that is intended to make a statement. As with other punctuation marks that end sentences, the period should be placed directly behind the last letter of the last word of the sentence.

Have you noticed a period after a word "waged"?
 
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Leimonis said:
How do you use a period at the end of a sentence?
A period is a small dot-shaped punctuation mark that is used at the end of any sentence that is intended to make a statement. As with other punctuation marks that end sentences, the period should be placed directly behind the last letter of the last word of the sentence.

Have you noticed a period after a word "waged"?
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What the actual fuck are you babbling?
 
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Tirgo said:
Wrong. The advisory board that Kennedy put together suggested IMMEDIATE launch of missiles into Cuba and following up with a ground invasion. It was only thanks to the cool head of Kennedy himself that it didn't happen. Also, keep in mind this is before missiles had even ARRIVED in Cuba, we had blockaded Cuba so the Russian ships couldn't enter. NATO has ALREADY surrounded Russia, they have done so after verbal guarantees back in 1990 that NATO would not expand eastward. Now they are literally trying to expand to Russia's doorstep.

Russia has been against NATO expansion for decades, and Putin has mentioned it as a major reason more than once for hostility towards Ukraine:
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All due respect, that's a misinterpretation. Read Irving Janis' book on Groupthink where he has actual cabinet records of those conversations. There were many options put forth to Kennedy. He ultimately chose deal.

You also need to show more of Putin going back to 2003 where he vows to bring all the soviet states back to Russia. He claims Lenin invented Ukraine but despite having a different language it was really part of Russia. Anyhow, I agree that of course Putin should be concerned. But the reason all the other country's wanted to be a part of nato was exactly because of what putin is doing now (and what the soviets did in 1948, 1956, 1968, and 1980).
 
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All due respect, that's a misinterpretation. Read Irving Janis' book on Groupthink where he has actual cabinet records of those conversations. There were many options put forth to Kennedy. He ultimately chose deal.

You also need to show more of Putin going back to 2003 where he vows to bring all the soviet states back to Russia. He claims Lenin invented Ukraine but despite having a different language it was really part of Russia. Anyhow, I agree that of course Putin should be concerned. But the reason all the other country's wanted to be a part of nato was exactly because of what put in is doing now (and what the soviets did in 1948, 1956, 1968, and 1980).
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'Put forward' and urged to choose are two very different things, you need only ask George W. Bush and Dick Cheney about that. As far as Kennedy's advisors were concerned, military action was the correct course to take. It was Kennedy himself who went against the grain in that scenario.

It's true that Putin romanticizes the USSR and probably daydreams about restoring Russia to it's former Soviet era glory, but to chalk up his desire for reunification to anything more than a pipedream is nothing more than western hysteria. Even Putin knows that's highly unlikely to ever happen, and it's certainly not a compelling enough reason for him to take the actions he's currently taking. From any serious, academic, realpolitik/geopolitical perspective the reason is obviously NATO expansion. And while I'm aware Russia is not some innocent party and the former soviet republics have their reasons for wanting to join NATO, realistically, no global power in Russia's position would ever allow it. It's total hypocrisy on the part of the West to pretend they would act any differently.
 
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SO explain this to me about the Biolabs. Firstly Nuland - the UnSec of State (i.e one down from Blinky) testified UNDER OATH that the labs exists and that they were making every effort to clean them up before they fell into Russian hands. SO, if these labs were benign entities, why would they be so concerned about them falling into "Russian hands"?
 
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