First there was "The Dr Seuss Outrage", now the "M & M's Outrage"!!!!

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So do I. But not when they simply say something. This is why BLM and Jan 6 Capitol events were of the same sort and equally bad. Unlike Freedom Convoy which mostly traffic and noise inconvinience.
They were doing both at the same time, fall.
I'm sure if BLM tried the same thing you'd also say it was just a protest, right?
 
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They were doing both at the same time, fall.
I'm sure if BLM tried the same thing you'd also say it was just a protest, right?
Or, heaven forbid, it was first nations people who blocked a road.
 
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No, Fall.

Seriously, guy! How can an insurrection against a government be "an official US government action" by that same government?? ..... You are seriously confused.
No you are confused
The central theme behind all the accusations was that the U.S. president ie "Trump" orchestrated the "coup"
Biden did not assume that role until the 20th.
And in the US there is always a President who has control

Or have you inadvertently provided Trump with a defense?
 

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They were doing both at the same time, fall.
I'm sure if BLM tried the same thing you'd also say it was just a protest, right?
Yes, I would say the same thing: a violent protest with property destruction and stealing (although in BLM it was merchandise while in Capitol case it was "souvenirs") not a coup.
 

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Next on the chopping block will be white bread, then dark rye, then “Mr.” Submarine and “Mr” Lube. Coming to a town near you.
 

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Next on the chopping block will be white bread, then dark rye, then “Mr.” Submarine and “Mr” Lube. Coming to a town near you.
Not sure if the feminist are ready for a "Mrs. Lube" or "Miss lube" where one can go to get "a service" in every town.
 
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Nice backtracking.
First its just a protest, then its with destruction and stealing.

I never said it was not property destruction. Not sure I would consider taking souvenirs as stealing (unless they wee sold later on ebay) unlike BLM protests where they stole regular merchandise. So, yes, both BLM and Jan 6 were violent protests with property damage and some stealing (more in BLM case), neither was a coup or had any real plan (not just a wish) to overthought the government. BLM was even worse because it was destruction of a private (unrelated to protesters) property while Jan 6 was only government property.
 

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Yep, I am with you on this one. It was not a coup nor an insurrection. Just a bunch of idiots who want to shout, get in a fight, and show themselves how tough they are. Calling it a coup is not just a gross exaggeration, it is simply wrong.
Sure, bud. You shoot nonsensical crap at me and then whatever I respond, you proclaim that I am really agreeing with your PoV.

You go do you, Fall! You're a special man!
 
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I never said it was not property destruction. Not sure I would consider taking souvenirs as stealing (unless they wee sold later on ebay) unlike BLM protests where they stole regular merchandise. So, yes, both BLM and Jan 6 were violent protests with property damage and some stealing (more in BLM case), neither was a coup or had any real plan (not just a wish) to overthought the government. BLM was even worse because it was destruction of a private (unrelated to protesters) property while Jan 6 was only government property.
BLM protests were 97% peaceful, as reported, and there to protest systematic racism.
Jan 6 the goals were to stop Biden being declared POTUS by physically stopping Pence.
 

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Sure, bud. You shoot nonsensical crap at me and then whatever I respond, you proclaim that I am really agreeing with your PoV.

You go do you, Fall! You're a special man!
Sorry, my English may not be good enough to understand your post,. Could you, please, translate your words to actual English. Using logical connection between your thoughts if you can.
 
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BLM protests were 97% peaceful, as reported, and there to protest systematic racism.
Jan 6 the goals were to stop Biden being declared POTUS by physically stopping Pence.
year, right, I guess, your got your info from CBC.
 

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No, Fall.

Seriously, guy! How can an insurrection against a government be "an official US government action" by that same government?? ..... You are seriously confused.
Not to defend the fall guy, this was an attempted self-coup which means that actors within the government attempted to override the legitimate processes to maintain power. The people attempting the coup were in the government but their actions weren't legal within the mandate of their roles.
 

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Like I've said, if the "it wasn't a coup" people want to argue it was an autogolpe, that's fine.
A self coup is a type of coup; a military coup is not the only type. At least that's according to the people who study the topic.

But thankfully it was a failed self coup.
 
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No you are confused
The central theme behind all the accusations was that the U.S. president ie "Trump" orchestrated the "coup"
Biden did not assume that role until the 20th.
And in the US there is always a President who has control

Or have you inadvertently provided Trump with a defense?
Sorry but the duties of the President are fairly clearly defined and they do not include lobbying to overturn state elections, creating 'alternate' electors, or encouraging a mob to try and disrupt the governmental process.
 
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Frankfooter

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Not to defend the fall guy, this was an attempted self-coup which means that actors within the government attempted to override the legitimate processes to maintain power. The people attempting the coup were in the government but their actions weren't legal within the mandate of their roles.
There were two separate coup attempts.
The first was an administrative attempt, where they would get Pence to reject EC votes and have some states declare new voters and send them in. That would could have succeeded but Pence refused to play along. Its still shocking that it was stopped by Pence.

The second one was the storming of the capitol, which happened after they realized the administrative coup failed, where the goal was to capture Pence and stop him from instating Biden as POTUS.

Both failed, but both were coup attempts.
 

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A self coup is a type of coup; a military coup is not the only type. At least that's according to the people who study the topic.

But thankfully it was a failed self coup.
Yes, that's still a coup - but I'm willing to pretend they are making a serious critique about precision of language if it shuts them up.
 

Valcazar

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There were two separate coup attempts.
The first was an administrative attempt, where they would get Pence to reject EC votes and have some states declare new voters and send them in. That would could have succeeded but Pence refused to play along. Its still shocking that it was stopped by Pence.

The second one was the storming of the capitol, which happened after they realized the administrative coup failed, where the goal was to capture Pence and stop him from instating Biden as POTUS.

Both failed, but both were coup attempts.
It's all one extended coup attempt, really.
The capitol bit was in service to the administrative one.
 

Frankfooter

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It's all one extended coup attempt, really.
The capitol bit was in service to the administrative one.
I don't think so, I think the capitol attack was the backup plan if the administrative one didn't work.
There's some reports of grumblings that rump royally fucked it all up as the rally before the riot/invasion made it even more impossible for Pence and the senate to back the administrative coup.

 
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