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Ottawa mayor blasts protest support, COVID rules loosening: In The News for Feb. 3 (msn.com)


Ottawa's mayor is calling on several Conservatives MPs and a senator from Saskatchewan to apologize for praising the anti-vaccine mandate protest that has brought the capital's downtown to a standstill for close to a week.

A photo shows MPs Warren Steinley, Kevin Waugh, Andrew Scheer, Fraser Tolmie, Rosemarie Falk and Sen. Denise Batters grinning -- some giving the thumbs-up -- in front of one of the protest trucks, which have been barricading roads and honking horns in the city almost non-stop since Saturday.

On Twitter, Waugh said a few of Saskatchewan caucus members "went to show their appreciation for the hardworking, patriotic truckers who have kept our supply chains healthy & grocery shelves stocked for the past two years."

He added, "it's great to see Canadians championing freedom on Parliament Hill."

Mayor Jim Watson responded on Twitter by calling the action an "absolute disgrace," saying residents have been harassed by protesters and businesses have been forced to close.

On Wednesday, Ottawa's police chief said all options are on the table, including calling in the military, to end the ongoing demonstration that was being called an "occupation" by some city councillors.

Police estimate they have already spent more than $3 million to manage the protest and respond to emergencies. In comparison, the Canada 150 celebrations on Parliament Hill in 2017 cost Ottawa police about $1.5 million.

There have been calls for the more than $10 million raised by protest organizers on the crowdfunding site GoFundMe to go toward the costs of policing the demonstrators and reparations for their behaviour.

GoFundMe says it has paused and is reviewing the fundraising campaign to ensure it complies with its terms of service.

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Alberta and Saskatchewan reported record numbers of people in hospital with COVID-19 this week as both provinces announced they hope to remove vaccine passport requirements by the end of the month.

But the president of the Saskatchewan Medical Association, Dr. Eben Strydom, says it is too soon to loosen, or remove, public health measures, warning of further strain on the health-care system, and those who work in it.

 

[mandrill]

Ottawa mayor blasts protest support, COVID rules loosening: In The News for Feb. 3 (msn.com)


Ottawa's mayor is calling on several Conservatives MPs and a senator from Saskatchewan to apologize for praising the anti-vaccine mandate protest that has brought the capital's downtown to a standstill for close to a week.

A photo shows MPs Warren Steinley, Kevin Waugh, Andrew Scheer, Fraser Tolmie, Rosemarie Falk and Sen. Denise Batters grinning -- some giving the thumbs-up -- in front of one of the protest trucks, which have been barricading roads and honking horns in the city almost non-stop since Saturday.

On Twitter, Waugh said a few of Saskatchewan caucus members "went to show their appreciation for the hardworking, patriotic truckers who have kept our supply chains healthy & grocery shelves stocked for the past two years."

He added, "it's great to see Canadians championing freedom on Parliament Hill."

Mayor Jim Watson responded on Twitter by calling the action an "absolute disgrace," saying residents have been harassed by protesters and businesses have been forced to close.

On Wednesday, Ottawa's police chief said all options are on the table, including calling in the military, to end the ongoing demonstration that was being called an "occupation" by some city councillors.

Police estimate they have already spent more than $3 million to manage the protest and respond to emergencies. In comparison, the Canada 150 celebrations on Parliament Hill in 2017 cost Ottawa police about $1.5 million.

There have been calls for the more than $10 million raised by protest organizers on the crowdfunding site GoFundMe to go toward the costs of policing the demonstrators and reparations for their behaviour.

GoFundMe says it has paused and is reviewing the fundraising campaign to ensure it complies with its terms of service.

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Alberta and Saskatchewan reported record numbers of people in hospital with COVID-19 this week as both provinces announced they hope to remove vaccine passport requirements by the end of the month.

But the president of the Saskatchewan Medical Association, Dr. Eben Strydom, says it is too soon to loosen, or remove, public health measures, warning of further strain on the health-care system, and those who work in it.

Looks like the CPC is off to a good start in winning the hearts and minds of urban voters in Central Canada.

Hey, maybe the CPC will re-leader brain-dead, insurance office lackey-boy Andy Scheer as leader, just to make Ontario love them a little more.

 

[Dutch Oven]

They don't do that well in the Maritimes either. Or Quebec.

But you can always dream, I guess.

I doubt the CPC will be coming to you for election strategy, nor do I think you would be prepared to concede that they have ANY path to power. Yet, somehow they manage to win elections on occasion!

That's why threads like this one are so funny. So many posters who think the CPC shouldn't even be on the political map offering up their analsys of where the party has gone wrong. Hilarious!

 

[Dutch Oven]

Looks like the CPC is off to a good start in winning the hearts and minds of urban voters in Central Canada.

Hey, maybe the CPC will re-leader brain-dead, insurance office lackey-boy Andy Scheer as leader, just to make Ontario love them a little more.

Nothing quite says naval gazing like quoting your previous posts!

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

As long as they have mp's like Pierre Poilievre, Candice Bergen and Andrew Scheer who make fools of themselves by playing with the nutters in the Ottawa occupation, the Conservatives will be a fringe party east of Saskatchewan.

Exactly. The Regional Grievance Party of Alberta and Saskatchewan.

 

[JohnLarue]

I can't tell if this is a suggestion to privatize or not.
Or whether you are saying "yes, privatization is a conservative value" or it isn't.

Whether or not I feel privatization is a conservative value is irrelevant
The facts of the matter is our current Health Care system is unsustainable and more borrowing is also not sustainable.
Ones political leanings should not preclude anyone from recognizing a problem , despite the lefts strange ability to ignore ballooning debt
That time bomb is set to explode with rising rates.
Stealing $ from other specific citizens via taxation is not a solution either

So I was hoping you might have some insights into a solution rather than just playing arm chair critic, lobing insults and then scurrying away

 

[danmand]

Whether or not I feel privatization is a conservative value is irrelevant
The facts of the matter is our current Health Care system is unsustainable and more borrowing is also not sustainable.
Ones political leanings should not preclude anyone from recognizing a problem , despite the lefts strange ability to ignore ballooning debt
That time bomb is set to explode with rising rates.
Stealing $ from other specific citizens via taxation is not a solution either

So I was hoping you might have some insights into a solution rather than just playing arm chair critic, lobing insults and then scurrying away

We have a long way to go in order to have as high a Debt/GDP as USA.

It would appear that when comparing USA and Canada, Universal Health care is not the most important factor.

 

[Frankfooter]

Whether or not I feel privatization is a conservative value is irrelevant
The facts of the matter is our current Health Care system is unsustainable and more borrowing is also not sustainable.
Ones political leanings should not preclude anyone from recognizing a problem , despite the lefts strange ability to ignore ballooning debt
That time bomb is set to explode with rising rates.
Stealing $ from other specific citizens via taxation is not a solution either

So I was hoping you might have some insights into a solution rather than just playing arm chair critic, lobing insults and then scurrying away

Please write some angry messages to the conservatives to convince them to think like you do.

 

[Valcazar]

Whether or not I feel privatization is a conservative value is irrelevant

It is relevant in that it was the specific point of discussion.

The facts of the matter is our current Health Care system is unsustainable and more borrowing is also not sustainable.
Ones political leanings should not preclude anyone from recognizing a problem , despite the lefts strange ability to ignore ballooning debt
That time bomb is set to explode with rising rates.
Stealing $ from other specific citizens via taxation is not a solution either

So I was hoping you might have some insights into a solution rather than just playing arm chair critic, lobing insults and then scurrying away

I'm still waiting for you to say anything relevant to a discussion of conservative values or ideology, though, which is what this thread was discussing.
If you want to have a thread on "How should health care be handled in Canada", that's something else.

All you have said here is that nothing can be done.
You have asserted we can't spend more money on it and we need to spend more money on it.

 

[jalimon]

I was really impressed with Berniers credentials before I found out he was insane.

In Quebec he is mocked in his own riding. We have known for long he is a nutcase.

 

[Brill]

Whether or not I feel privatization is a conservative value is irrelevant
The facts of the matter is our current Health Care system is unsustainable and more borrowing is also not sustainable.
Ones political leanings should not preclude anyone from recognizing a problem , despite the lefts strange ability to ignore ballooning debt
That time bomb is set to explode with rising rates.
Stealing $ from other specific citizens via taxation is not a solution either

So I was hoping you might have some insights into a solution rather than just playing arm chair critic, lobing insults and then scurrying away

This is why conservatives are unelectable. They talk nonsense about making cuts to healthcare and stopping CERB payments during a pandemic, while ignoring the wealthiest have gotten wealthier.

 

[JohnLarue]

This is why conservatives are unelectable. They talk nonsense about making cuts to healthcare and stopping CERB payments during a pandemic, while ignoring the wealthiest have gotten wealthier.

What is really telling is you appear to be far more concerned with who shall pay rather than either ensuring services or managing the expenses responsibly

That is exactly why socialist are unelectable
You can not demand universal health and expect a select group to bear the costs of providing it.

They will leave or stop generating wealth- nobody assumes business or financial risk without expecting reward
If you villainize the ones creating wealth, there will be nothing to re-distribute

Personally I have a long list of stuff I want and I would prefer you pay for it.
And I do not care which one us has more wealth, I just prefer you pay for it.
where should I send the invoice,?
Oh yeah, some of it is pretty pricy so maybe you should assume some extra risk or at a minimum start working late, don't bother me with the details of how you pay for it

You have this really strange belief that governments role is to level the paying field wrt wealth
How rich or poor an individual is in life mostly boils down to choices an individual make, not down to how inefficient and corruptible govt re-distributes wealth, the only thing they are good at is making the pie smaller

nonsense about making cuts to healthcare

what is nonsense is ignoring the unsustainability of what you obviously expect and demand, yet expect someone else to pay for it

 

[danmand]

That is exactly why socialist are unelectable
You can not demand universal health and expect a select group to bear the costs of providing it.

They will leave or stop generating wealth- nobody assumes business or financial risk without expecting reward
If you villainize the ones creating wealth, there will be nothing to re-distribute

Personally I have a long list of stuff I want and I would prefer you pay for it.
And I do not care which one us has more wealth, I just prefer you pay for it.
where should I send the invoice,?
Oh yeah, some of it is pretty pricy so maybe you should assume some extra risk or at a minimum start working late, don't bother me with the details of how you pay for it

You have this really strange belief that governments role is to level the paying field wrt wealth
How rich or poor an individual is in life mostly boils down to choices an individual make, not down to how inefficient and corruptible govt re-distributes wealth



what is nonsense is ignoring the unsustainability of what you obviously expect and demand, yet expect someone else to pay for it

Do you even read what you post before you hit the post button.

If what you say was true, anybody proposing Universal Health care would not be electable.
Are you not aware that USA is the only developed country WITHOUT Universal Health Care?

 

[Frankfooter]

What is really telling is you appear to be far more concerned with who shall pay rather than either ensuring services or managing the expenses responsibly
That is exactly why socialist are unelectable

Um, the cons are going to pick their 5th leader since JT, who you claim is a socialist.
Just saying....

 

[james t kirk]

That is some kinda liberal logic right there Captain. So you voted for NDP over the PPC, which is a true Conservative party.

I am a Chretien liberal.

I voted for the NDP because in my riding it was neck and neck between the liberal incumbent and the NDP. I don't even know who the Conservative candidate was.

I despise Justin Trudeau as the absolute incompetent bumbling fool that he is.

Thus I voted for the NDP hoping against hope to take away a seat from Justin. Simple as that. Sadly didn't work out. But I tried.

I'd vote for Satan before I'd vote for the PPC.

 

[Brill]

What is really telling is you appear to be far more concerned with who shall pay rather than either ensuring services or managing the expenses responsibly

That is exactly why socialist are unelectable
You can not demand universal health and expect a select group to bear the costs of providing it.

They will leave or stop generating wealth- nobody assumes business or financial risk without expecting reward
If you villainize the ones creating wealth, there will be nothing to re-distribute

Personally I have a long list of stuff I want and I would prefer you pay for it.
And I do not care which one us has more wealth, I just prefer you pay for it.
where should I send the invoice,?
Oh yeah, some of it is pretty pricy so maybe you should assume some extra risk or at a minimum start working late, don't bother me with the details of how you pay for it

You have this really strange belief that governments role is to level the paying field wrt wealth
How rich or poor an individual is in life mostly boils down to choices an individual make, not down to how inefficient and corruptible govt re-distributes wealth, the only thing they are good at is making the pie smaller


what is nonsense is ignoring the unsustainability of what you obviously expect and demand, yet expect someone else to pay for it

More reasons conservatives are unelectable.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Ottawa - Montreal corridor = 6 million people
Vancouver = 2.5 million people
EGH - 10 million people
TOTAL = 18.5 million people

Population of AB and SK = 5.5 million people

The CPC clearly believes that by firing the 1 leader who was likely able to make inroads in urban Central Canada and the Lower Mainland and by dominating AB and SK, that it can also dominate Canadian politics...

No doubt, this is because the CPC gets a shitload of money from Alberta oil barons who think the Tories can help them keep their dying industry alive, despite the fact the world is turning away from their dinosaur sludge.

 

[JohnLarue]

Do you even read what you post before you hit the post button.

If what you say was true, anybody proposing Universal Health care would not be electable.
Are you not aware that USA is the only developed country WITHOUT Universal Health Care?

Do not misrepresent me
I am not against universal health care

However the fact of the matter is it is not sustainable
and neither is the absolutely ridiculous expectation that somebody else should bear the cost of fixing it

Do you even read what I post before you hit the post button.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Alberta and Saskatchewan reported record numbers of people in hospital with COVID-19 this week as both provinces announced they hope to remove vaccine passport requirements by the end of the month.

This part made me laugh!

I've said it before, and I will say it again, I have no idea how once-forward-thinking Saskatchewan, the sparsely populated province that gave us Tommy Douglas, birthed universal healthcare, championed social democracy, and dragged Victorian-thinking Canada into the 20th century kicking and screaming, ever got into bed with Alberta, a province that has a long history of being filled with shitheads.

Jesus wept.

 

[JohnLarue]

No doubt, this is because the CPC gets a shitload of money from Alberta oil barons who think the Tories can help them keep their dying industry alive, despite the fact the world is turning away from their dinosaur sludge.

Yeah OK,
Time for a realty check for you
you will be burning fossil fuels for the rest of your days

If you honestly think you can replace 2 *100 million barrels of oil equivalent per day (and growing) with windmills and solar panels , I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. I will give you a god price
You will be lucky to displace any meaningful fraction of that massive amount of energy
The material requirements would necessitate a massive increase in very energy intensive mining, creating a real environmental crisis
The land use requirements - an area the size of India X 2
Once we hit maybe 15-20% EV penetration the grids will fail and that is a very dangerous situation

Canada is a big and cold place, without fossil fuels , we will starve and freeze to death
Are you going to run an EV in Edmonton, Sudbury, Northern Quebec or Yellowknife?- Not for long I tell you

Ideology will not keep you fed or warm, so your political framework is clouded by ignorance

BTW where does Trudeau get his campaign money. China?, SNC, the sham wow brother Keilburger?